HarkDawg
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.this comment is not a big deal ppl....
stop trying to make it into something significant.
If they trade him without replacing him with a monster WR, then we're looking at a 2006-like team except with a worse running game and far worse defense. That's a 7-9 team.
A year from now, Moss will probably balk at our contact offer and say the same thing and the entire fanbase (this time) will jump on him for it. I mean, could you imagine if Moss was a former player and said this? It would almost be like Willie McGinest said that the Pats don't pay their players.
Him saying "They just don't pay" over and over again is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard a current Patriot say. That is not spin. That is crap.
Haven't read all 13 pages PJ but come on. It's expressing pretty much the truth at the elite end. Coming to the Pats is not the way to get absolute top dollar. They spend to the cap but in large part they continue to prefer a large "middle class" and they prefer to enforce a bargain if they get a bargain (i.e., when the contract is up, you can renegotiate, not before.) I mean, I remember that as being the "rule," the "general outlines," though we can all dredge up the exceptions.
They take care of you when you produce (see Seymour's last contract), but not because your name sells well on a jersey (Richie, we hardly knew ya...) So how different is that from what Moss said? His focus is at the elite level, not the spend-to-the-cap level. If you want a raise and your company tells you they pay their bike messengers real well, do you say "well, at least they spend a good percent of revenue on salaries in general?"
Of course we should all remember: this is the pre-'10 negotiation-via-media period. And poor Randy signed his deal in the pre-'08 offseason, so if there's cashing in to do (though that appears doubtful,) he doesn't get to play. This is what he thinks about '11... my reaction is, so?
I love seeing him play. I love the idea that all of '10 constitute an audition, whether for the Pats or for someone else. With all the chatter about who's "happy" where, and with this author speculating about Favre even being there in '11 when we don't know whether he'll grace the turf in '10... that's actually what I like about the Pats' model. No sentiment: we pay, you play. We stop paying, you stop playing, but not a moment before. And don't ever get comfortable, because you're going to have to have this conversation again, no matter how much the fans love you.
Like I always say, I live in Washington, where the exact reverse philosophy pertains: come to DC, get the big check up front, and dog it thereafter. Trust me, "The Patriots Don't Pay" is okay by me, from the fan perspective. You'll never hear Clinton Portis saying "The Redskins don't pay." The Redskins also watch a lot of January games on TV.
PFnV
It's a pretty big deal. If Ellis Hobbs or Asante Samuel had said this, the entire forum would be burning them at the stake. But because it's Randy Moss, it's okay.
it's ok b/c
1. He gets his name out for '11
2. He knows the Pats would not make a new deal b/c of his age.
3. I respect how he let this out now.....
4. he is playing for a contact elsewhere (expect greatness)
5. he will not "dog it" b/c he is playing for a contract
6. every year he gets older he gets a step slower.
Randy Moss is not getting younger. He is a great WR who is not like wine and he does not get better with age. He sees the writing on the wall and he is no dummy. He is campaigning for '11
Randy Moss was not going to be resigned by us after this yr...
he stated the Pats as an organization have alterior motives other than resigning "Randy Moss". (He is RIGHT)
Haven't read all 13 pages PJ but come on. It's expressing pretty much the truth at the elite end. Coming to the Pats is not the way to get absolute top dollar. They spend to the cap but in large part they continue to prefer a large "middle class" and they prefer to enforce a bargain if they get a bargain (i.e., when the contract is up, you can renegotiate, not before.) I mean, I remember that as being the "rule," the "general outlines," though we can all dredge up the exceptions.
They take care of you when you produce (see Seymour's last contract), but not because your name sells well on a jersey (Richie, we hardly knew ya...) So how different is that from what Moss said? His focus is at the elite level, not the spend-to-the-cap level. If you want a raise and your company tells you they pay their bike messengers real well, do you say "well, at least they spend a good percent of revenue on salaries in general?"
Of course we should all remember: this is the pre-'10 negotiation-via-media period. And poor Randy signed his deal in the pre-'08 offseason, so if there's cashing in to do (though that appears doubtful,) he doesn't get to play. This is what he thinks about '11... my reaction is, so?
I love seeing him play. I love the idea that all of '10 constitute an audition, whether for the Pats or for someone else. With all the chatter about who's "happy" where, and with this author speculating about Favre even being there in '11 when we don't know whether he'll grace the turf in '10... that's actually what I like about the Pats' model. No sentiment: we pay, you play. We stop paying, you stop playing, but not a moment before. And don't ever get comfortable, because you're going to have to have this conversation again, no matter how much the fans love you.
Like I always say, I live in Washington, where the exact reverse philosophy pertains: come to DC, get the big check up front, and dog it thereafter. Trust me, "The Patriots Don't Pay" is okay by me, from the fan perspective. You'll never hear Clinton Portis saying "The Redskins don't pay." The Redskins also watch a lot of January games on TV.
PFnV
The difference is that Moss is actually ON the team still. The media, fan base, and message board have no bearing in this argument. They aren't a part of the team and can feel free to speculate. Moss' comment carries much more weight than those already off the team (who were looked at as being "sour" more than anything). If Moss was already off the team, the **** would hit the fan in this forum. The only reason that people are standing up for him is because he is still going to wear a Pats uniform next season.
I don't think he mailed it in. I think he played hurt and still had a good year. I love having Moss on the Pats. I just wish he would have shut the **** up.
Yeah, the mental gymnastics to say they don't pay except when they paid me struck me. I wonder if it'll strike Randy.That was bizarre. How can he say "the Patriots don't pay" over and over again?
"You know the Patriots don't really pay, so when I got my second contract from them that was a blessing in disguise" may be the strangest quote by a Patriot I've ever read.
Except for seymour did the pats ever sign some one on there own team market value?. i am not even sure brady got market value.