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    When Brady chose to throw a long bomb to aiken on 2nd down at the end of the 4th to try to close the game out is one of the major problems we've had this season. better decision making needs to happen. Brady needs to take what the defense gives them. I would have like 3rd and very short alot better than 2nd and long on that series. shortly thereafter we were forced to punt.

    i've seen improvement in more calculated drives but they still have moments of trying to swing for a homerun at ill advised times.

    this attempt pretty much summed up the season IMO
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.


    Plays like this setup other plays ... if you don't stretch the field then it will be 8 in the box on defense for most of the game. Some people in this forum calling for Weis to come back ... Charlie was a master at running seemingly useless plays to setup other plays - they all do it.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    I think thats what the defense gave Brady and thats who the open guy was. It wasnt a forced throw by any means. I actually thought Aiken could have caught that ball and also PI could have been called
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    I agree. It was a fine call and should have resulted in a first down and a big play.

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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    The deep ball just hasn't been there consistently this year but as we start to run the ball consistently it will come along just in time for the playoffs, granted Brady doesn't over/under throw the receiver like hes been doing recently.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    The throw was on target and should have been caught, so I don't see any real problem with the decision making on the play.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    Horrible non-call by the ref who was right there
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    Long Bombs and the resulting penalties helped win us this game....I am so mad at you people
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    yep...the pass hit his hands...obviously his worst asset..there was blatant PI on the play but an NFL receiver has to make that catch.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    Nothing wrong with the play in isolation,though i don't expectanything we do will make defenses respect Aiken as a long threat.

    He is who he is.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    I was at the game and had a perfect view of the whole field, and indeed this was the case. That was the only place he could throw that ball as the Bills were playing underneath and rushing 3 guys.

    That being said, I'm not highly confident in Aiken, and almost feel like we're playing with a hand tied behind our back. That incompletion killed the drive.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    That's because he is a special team masquerading as a receiver due to our ****house receiving depth.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    Galloway or Lewis would have helped.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    They would have??? Is Joey still in the league? Have you been so impressed with Greg Lewis's 7 catches this year, that you think he would make a difference? Look, we rolled the dice on Joey and it came up snake eyes. Lewis is a jag who does some things better and some things worse than Aiken. It's not every year that a talent like Donte Stallworth is going to be your 3rd WR. On the other hand, Watson and Faulk are fine receiving threats that are going unused. That's probably the fault of Brady and the OC.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    You're right, we're better off with Brady throwing those deep balls to Aiken.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    Indeed.... Galloway had 7 catches in 2 games, but got cut, while Aiken has 17 catches in 9 games.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    I'm sorry, did you have a point? Those other two guys are not getting any run in the league. Joey has made 0 plays this year, Greg Lewis made 1, and Sam Aiken made 2. So, it looks like we have the best of three crappy WRs.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    Galloway is a better receiver than Aiken and so is Lewis. Numbers don't tell the entire story. But go ahead and believe that Aiken is better than those other guys.

    Why Galloway isn't getting any run? No clue. But the one game he had against the Jets, where he beat his coverage, got open, caught six passes, and also have Brady under throw him for a would be TD showed enough to tell me that he is a better WR than Aiken.

    Also, Lewis is stuck behind some good receivers in Minnesota. While we only have two legit WRs here, the Vikings have Berian, Rice, and Harvin plus a TE that they utilize.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    This is a really tough one. Who to believe, who to believe.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    Pats made a personnel move and chose X player over Y & Z player. So, X player must be better.

    Sometimes that logic works, other times it doesn't.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    Well that's why I come here, for you to tell me when that logic doesn't work. I understand you have more insight into these things, and which receiver is better for the NE Patriots is not something that BB would have infinitely more knowledge/information about than you.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    ahh yes, the "how dare you question BB's move" crowd. Well then.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    You didn't question anything, you declared Galloway is a better fit than Aiken for the NE Patriots. You have not even 1% of the information, knowledge and experience of anyone who is making these decisions in the Patriots organization. Why would you believe that you are right and he (along with all the others who had input into the decision) is wrong? Oh yea that's right, 6 plays you watched on TV in this one game.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    Plus don't forget you are arguing that one pile of crap doesn't smell as bad as the other. None of Galloway, Lewis or Aiken are/were really going to do much in this offense. We really need someone who will.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    So with this rationale, guys with information, knowledge, or experience make all the right moves?
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    Never said that. And that's a pretty bad logical jump. The logic follows that we aren't equipped to come to a better conclusion because we lack so much information. We can discuss what we know, but in the end we have to concede that we don't have all of the information and there is at least the possibility if not the likelihood that they had an at least somewhat valid reason for reaching their decision.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    I'm certain they had a valid reason for reaching their decision. Belichick seems like a decisive individual, so I am sure, at the time when they made their analysis, they concluded that it was the "right" move for the team. However, looking at our third WR option now, which is Aiken, and looking back at who we could have had instead, Galloway or Lewis, wouldn't it be reasonable to believe that Galloway or Lewis could be performing better than Aiken?

    Both Lewis and Galloway are experienced WRs, used to running routes and catching balls, something Aiken is not accustomed to. At least with Galloway, defenses have to be honest because of his speed and reputation, and with Lewis, he looked like a legit WR in pre-season.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    Isn't the simplest explanation likely the best, here? Perhaps he's not good enough, he's lost it, he can't play in the league anymore.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    Jerry Rice is also experienced and used to running routes and catching balls, however, he, like Joey, is D-U-N. As for Greg Lewis - perhaps he is marginally better than Aiken as a WR, but he is no major upgrade, and Aiken's special teams value balances that out. I'm sorry, but suggesting that two guys who had an opportunity, and were cut, and have gone on to do absolutely nothing this year would've saved the season is just absurd.
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    Re: Long missed bomb to Aiken at the end of the 4th.

    It's not that simple.

    Why did Delhomme continue playing before he got hurt? Same with JaMarcus?

    How come Derrick Brooks isn't playing? Surely he is better than some LBs out there.
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