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Our 2009 team blew plenty of halftime leads if I remember correctly.
Yup.
Jets, Miami, Denver, Texans and the Colts.
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Wayne- ELITE
Garcon- Drops passes but one of the most elusive wr's in the game
Collie- One of the best slot recievers in the league....sucks this year because horrible qb's cant use slot recievers.. Collie is better than Garcon with a solid QB
Blair White- good enough to be playin but nothing above good
Jeff Saturday- Old but still one the best C's
Dallas Clark- Elite pass catching tight end that is getting older
Tamme- great pass catching TE
Joseph Addai- Top 20 RB in the league....he'd be an amazing 3rd down back but is an ABV AVG STARTING RB
Brown- maybe the best RB on the team!!!! He hasn't gotten oppurtunities but when he has he has shown he has the skills to be a starting rb.
Delone Carter- looking solid for a rookie
Everyone says their o-line worst in the league every year...it is one of the worst but nowhere close to the worst
Freeney- ELITE HOF
Mathis- HOF underrated because everyone thinks Freeney makes him.
Angerer- extremely solid LB but yes stats are padded
Brackett- Colt's Bruschi
Bethea- One of the best safeties in the game
Powers- Underrated future probowler
Nevis- Solid rookie
With an OK QB this team is .500 or atleast 5-6 easily
Wait a sec, why would the steelers be trying to lose?
EDIT: sorry did you mean they were simply playing not to lose, like just a half assed game? Rather than giving it their all for the win? Sorry was confused for a sec....
Let me fix it for you.
Wayne- ELITE
Garcon- Drops passes but one of the most elusive wr's in the game
Collie- One of the best slot recievers in the league....sucks this year because horrible qb's cant use slot recievers.. Collie is better than Garcon with a solid QB
Blair White- good enough to be playin but nothing above good
Jeff Saturday- Old but still one the best C's
Dallas Clark- Elite pass catching tight end that is getting older
Tamme- great pass catching TE
Joseph Addai- Top 20 RB in the league....he'd be an amazing 3rd down back but is an ABV AVG STARTING RB
Brown- maybe the best RB on the team!!!! He hasn't gotten oppurtunities but when he has he has shown he has the skills to be a starting rb.
Delone Carter- looking solid for a rookie
Everyone says their o-line worst in the league every year...it is one of the worst but nowhere close to the worst
Freeney- ELITE HOF
Mathis- HOF underrated because everyone thinks Freeney makes him.
Angerer- extremely solid LB but yes stats are padded
Brackett- Colt's Bruschi
Bethea- One of the best safeties in the game
Powers- Underrated future probowler
Nevis- Solid rookie
With an OK QB this team is .500 or atleast 5-6 easily
Another one gets fooled.
Don't you realise that this football team did not want to win football games this year. Flat out, did not want to win football games! Just like Tony Mazz said today which was that there should be full investigation into the Colts games and every game.
I brought this up after week 5 when I saw shady things going on. Half time leads consistenly evaporating was the first red flag, then I started sniffing into their games and got confirmation.
This football team has plenty of talent, listen, they didn't want to win football games this year, it's really that simple. People want to assume that Polian didn't draft good players etc. That's a cop out. There's plenty of talent on that team that was IR'd purposely and are not giving their all.
Drop the no talent argument.
If BB had this squad, they'd be contending for a playoff spot.
All I have heard this week is with this talent on the Colts' roster, they should be at least .500 if they had a decent QB. I look at that team and I think they have no more than 3-4 wins at most.
I still maintain that Peyton Manning's legacy dodged a huge bullet this season with him out because even with a healthy Manning, they weren't going to be better than .500. With Manning last year, they were 10-6 and they had the AFC West to walk over rather than the AFC North this year.
Let's look at the supposive talent:
Defense
Dwight Freeney - Yes, an elite DE
Robert Mathis - A very good DE
Pat Angerer - Gets padded stats because the Colts' defense is on the field most of the game
Gary Brackett - Injury prone and overrated. Hasn't been good since 2007
Antonine Bethea - Very good safety
So they have three of eleven defensive starters that are good.
Offense
Reggie Wayne - Elite WR
Austin Collie - Injury prone and overrated (decent back up, but not a starter)
Pierre Garcon - Very streaky (half of his yards and all of his TDs this year came in two games)
Dallas Clark - A very good TE
Jeff Saturday - Old and overrated
Joseph Addai - Could be a great 3rd down back, totally miscast as a lead back and still living off his reputation of his rookie season
Donald Brown - Total bust who's career stats for yards and TDs are pretty much what BJGE gave the Pats last season
Ryan Diem - Overrated
So they have probably 3-4 players on offense any good
The fact of the matter is if you get past all the names, this is a bad team and their record isn't much worse than the talent they actually had. Manning hid a lot of warts last year with an easy schedule. I think with a significantly tougher schedule this year from last year (their own division is more competitive this year and the AFC North is the best division in football) even Manning couldn't hide the warts this year. This team has been living on a cake division, reputations, and Manning's arm for the last few years. Polian has allowed the talent to get old or leave while not replacing the pieces over the last few years.
I was just out-and-about and had Holley and Ordway on the radio; they were going on a bit too much about Valentine, so I spent the last two minutes over at 98.5, see what those two ... guys ... were up to. Felger was actually on about how tanking the season will make the Colts so much better than the Patriots, long term, because they're restocking a team that's so loaded with talent. I mean, please. I'm glad you created this thread because I wanted to mention this without giving that show its own thread.
Turning it away from media sewage and back to the team: For Sunday, yeah, you have to respect some of the players the Colts have. Thing is that a lot of their best players are getting up there in years. Really, any players they add to develop in the next draft will have to basically be groomed to replace — not supplement — a lot of these guys. They also might want to consider a philosophical shift, so they're not so dependent on one player and aspect (ie Manning passing) of the game.
Another one gets fooled.
Don't you realise that this football team did not want to win football games this year. Flat out, did not want to win football games! Just like Tony Mazz said today which was that there should be full investigation into the Colts games and every game.
I brought this up after week 5 when I saw shady things going on. Half time leads consistenly evaporating was the first red flag, then I started sniffing into their games and got confirmation.
This football team has plenty of talent, listen, they didn't want to win football games this year, it's really that simple. People want to assume that Polian didn't draft good players etc. That's a cop out. There's plenty of talent on that team that was IR'd purposely and are not giving their all.
Drop the no talent argument.
I said with a decent QB would give them 3-4 wins. If they had say a Matt Ryan, they might be 3-8 right now. They aren't as bad as the 0-16 Lions, but they are a bad team with or without a decent QB. A Manning might get them to .500.
If BB had this squad, they'd be contending for a playoff spot.
All I have heard this week is with this talent on the Colts' roster, they should be at least .500 if they had a decent QB. I look at that team and I think they have no more than 3-4 wins at most.
I still maintain that Peyton Manning's legacy dodged a huge bullet this season with him out because even with a healthy Manning, they weren't going to be better than .500. With Manning last year, they were 10-6 and they had the AFC West to walk over rather than the AFC North this year.
Let's look at the supposive talent:
Defense
Dwight Freeney - Yes, an elite DE
Robert Mathis - A very good DE
Pat Angerer - Gets padded stats because the Colts' defense is on the field most of the game
Gary Brackett - Injury prone and overrated. Hasn't been good since 2007
Antonine Bethea - Very good safety
So they have three of eleven defensive starters that are good.
Offense
Reggie Wayne - Elite WR
Austin Collie - Injury prone and overrated (decent back up, but not a starter)
Pierre Garcon - Very streaky (half of his yards and all of his TDs this year came in two games)
Dallas Clark - A very good TE
Jeff Saturday - Old and overrated
Joseph Addai - Could be a great 3rd down back, totally miscast as a lead back and still living off his reputation of his rookie season
Donald Brown - Total bust who's career stats for yards and TDs are pretty much what BJGE gave the Pats last season
Ryan Diem - Overrated
So they have probably 3-4 players on offense any good
I don't know if this has already been done in the rest of this thread, but let's look at the Pats' talent. How many good/elite players does NE have?
Offense:
QB Brady (elite)
OG Mankins (good)
OT Light (good)
TE Gronk (elite)
TE Hernandez (good)
WR Welker (elite)
The rest of the OL is fine, and the RB corps is fine. Nobody would suggest that the rest of the receivers are good (really) or elite.
Defense:
DT Wilfork (elite)
DE Carter (good)
LB Mayo (good)
CB Arrington (??????)
So I count 9 players that fit this standard. You had a similar number for Indy. The issue is that the Pats have a lot more depth and MUCH better coaching and *MUCH* better QB play this year.
Manning led them to 10 wins last year and 14 wins the year before, not to mention the countless winning seasons they've had for the past 10 years or so.
As you see it. For whatever that is worth.
I agree with those who say the team is on the decline and would be even with Manning. However they still have some talent for sure.
You missed Brian Waters (arguably the best RG in football this year). You missed Chung who is an above average safety. You missed Spikes who is a very good run down LB. By my count, the Pats have 7 good to elite players on offense alone. That is how many the Colts may have on their team.
i think they have alot of talent, but none of it was ever on the oline
peyton's quick delivery (also sometimes increased ints) made his oline look good sometimes, but you could see just how small they were when they'd play a sd or pitt or ne team who could bully their oline even faster than peyton could get rid of the ball.....
It all depends what you classify as "elite".
On offense I'd consider Brady, Welker, and Gronk "Elite"'. Maybe Waters, with Mankins and Light being above average. Vollmer/Solder are solid. Our revolving door at Center has been dependable, nothing earth shattering.
Branch is a very good WR in this offense only, but disappears on occasion which is alarming. Hernandez is great, not elite yet, but paired with Gronk they form the best TE duo by a mile.
Benny is far above average in my opinion, but not elite. He benefits greatly from having TB at QB, defenses have to respect that first, leaving room to run on occasion. He does have great vision, always seems to fall forward, and has the longest active streak in the NFL without a turnover, including the longest to start a career and as far as we know has never turned it over period. Unfortunately he will never get 20 touches per game with Brady here. I think he could handle it and be considered elite with the chance.
I am curious to see what players you consider elite. I think you're showing a combination of bias and lack of Colts knowledge. I will admit I couldn't name half of their roster but still think they have many very good players. Their issue is that they have no coach and aren't playing as a team. Not that they lack talent.