patsfan-1982
In the Starting Line-Up
- Joined
- Apr 13, 2007
- Messages
- 4,756
- Reaction score
- 274
Registered Members experience this forum ad and noise-free.
CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.are they full of all pro players no but if manning was the QB they would have 7 wins right now and would be fighting the pats for the #2 seed
are they full of all pro players no but if manning was the QB they would have 7 wins right now and would be fighting the pats for the #2 seed
No, they wouldn't. First off Bill would not have ever assembled that kind of top heavy depthless squad. Like he noted today, he has a program and a system built around a strong middle class to be capable of overcoming adversity. Polian had Manning and a fast cheap defense capable of winning only when the planets perfectly were aligned...and they only managed to get the alignment right once... The year after they lucked out in the SB draw Polian fielded a team with 19 players on his 53 man roster who had NEVER TAKEN A SNAP IN THE NFL... Because he had to. Manning and a handful of talent on offense and defense were taking up most of his cap...and he's snakebit and scared to death of FA and he's lost his fastball as a drafter making huge and costly mistakes in the early rounds.
No chance Peyton is the only reason why this team in 0-11. I think they packed it in soon as they heard he was going to be gone for the season. That and those idiots had the worst back up QB in NFL history.
I am curious to see how a 43 DLine of Carter, Wilfork, Daedrick/Love, and Anderson will do against the Colt's line with a QB who will be making his first start in a few years.
He'll probably be slow on the delivery and unsure of his protections, being rusty and never very competent to begin with should be a fun combination for us.
I am surprised that after 11 games they've only allowed 23 sacks.
sadly the colts qb position has 8 tds and 10 ints this year, which is still less ints than philip rivers
The fact that Donald Brown is the best back on the Colts speaks volumes to why Addai is overrated. Before this year, he has a career average of under 4.0 YPC and only got it up to 4.0 because he is running alot this year with the Colts so far behind that teams don't care about him. He has 1,134 yards and 8 TDs for his career. BJGE had 1,008 yards and 12 TDs last year alone. Brown sucks.
Joseph Addai is 50th in rushing yards this year. He is nowhere close to a top 20 RB. Even last year with Manning, he was 42nd in rushing yards. He is a receiving back and that is it. He is totally miscast as a lead back. He sucks at that.
Mathis is nowhere near a HOF. He might get into the Colts' Ring of Honor, but the only way he is getting into Canton is if he buys a ticket.
Tame is a product of Manning. The guy has 102 yards this year and 75 of them came against the Jags. And about half of the yards in that game came on a 29 yard pass.
Brackett right now is Bruschi circa 2007. A bit broken down and no where near as good as he was. He has been on IR most of this year and missed 10 games the previous three years.
With a healthy Manning, this team is .500 maybe 5-6. With an ok QB, this team is 2-9. The team last year with a far eaiser schedule were 10-6 with Manning having a pretty good year. This year, Manning wouldn't be able to repeat that.
Colts have SO MUCH talent and I dont think Caldwell is a bad coach but there team simply can not win without a SOLID QB.. it's what theyre built for. Their backups qb's being absolutely horrible says something about Manning. He's still amazing but no way anyone playing behind Manning should be this bad.
Brown has barely even touched the ball. If you think Addai is overrated you obviously don't pay much attention to Colt football not to mention Addai is arguably one of the BEST blocking RB in the league...No runningback would flourish on theColts they are not built for that. Not a single RB the Pats have would be considered above average if even average on thecolts.
Yes Tamma is a product of Manning but I would not look at his stats this year to judge him...he could also be a product of a decent qb if they had one...that is like saying Collie isn't good when he is probably the 2nd best slot reciever in the league definetly top 5 slot reciever..check last year I think Manning had a perfect passer ratings when targeting him or close to it. Yes it is partly Manning but that is absolutely insane almost perfect.
Mathis has almost identical stats to Freeney just less sacks I believe. He is a FF MACHINE.
Judging there talent is weird though only because I look at it as if Brady got to play with them. Every offense player I mentioned would be AMAZING with Brady as they are with Manning.
They have better recievers, rb's, not tight ends only because the patriots TE's are amazing...but they have 2 above average pass catching tight ends. O-line to the media is far worse then the Patriot's...me im not buying it.. proof...with Brady they all make probowl and are considered the best in the league...with Cassell they were dead last. Mostly because teams wouldn't blitz Brady. As for the defense they have 2 D-LINEMAN as talented as Wilfork(Freeney even better) on their d-line. LB's Patriots have more talent NOW. Patriots also get the edge with CB's because of Mccourty but Powers is extremely talented. Safeties Bethea>Chung and other suck on both teams.
Colts have SO MUCH talent and I dont think Caldwell is a bad coach but there team simply can not win without a SOLID QB.. it's what theyre built for. Their backups qb's being absolutely horrible says something about Manning. He's still amazing but no way anyone playing behind Manning should be this bad.
My honest opinion is that Manning career may be over and he's definetly near the end atleast..they know it and want Luck.....which I can't blame them for hopefully Manning does come back. As for 2-9 with an average QB..NO...they have been in I think 5 or 6 1 score games they win most of those and who knows what else with a Cassell back there
Brown has barely even touched the ball. If you think Addai is overrated you obviously don't pay much attention to Colt football not to mention Addai is arguably one of the BEST blocking RB in the league...No runningback would flourish on the Colts they are not built for that. Not a single RB the Pats have would be considered above average if even average on the colts.
Yes Tamma is a product of Manning but I would not look at his stats this year to judge him...he could also be a product of a decent qb if they had one...that is like saying Collie isn't good when he is probably the 2nd best slot reciever in the league definetly top 5 slot reciever..check last year I think Manning had a perfect passer ratings when targeting him or close to it. Yes it is partly Manning but that is absolutely insane almost perfect.
Mathis has almost identical stats to Freeney just less sacks I believe. He is a FF MACHINE.
Judging there talent is weird though only because I look at it as if Brady got to play with them. Every offense player I mentioned would be AMAZING with Brady as they are with Manning.
They have better recievers, rb's, not tight ends only because the patriots TE's are amazing...but they have 2 above average pass catching tight ends. O-line to the media is far worse then the Patriot's...me im not buying it.. proof...with Brady they all make probowl and are considered the best in the league...with Cassell they were dead last. Mostly because teams wouldn't blitz Brady. As for the defense they have 2 D-LINEMAN as talented as Wilfork(Freeney even better) on their d-line. LB's Patriots have more talent NOW. Patriots also get the edge with CB's because of Mccourty but Powers is extremely talented. Safeties Bethea>Chung and other suck on both teams.
Colts have SO MUCH talent and I dont think Caldwell is a bad coach but there team simply can not win without a SOLID QB.. it's what theyre built for. Their backups qb's being absolutely horrible says something about Manning. He's still amazing but no way anyone playing behind Manning should be this bad.
My honest opinion is that Manning career may be over and he's definetly near the end atleast..they know it and want Luck.....which I can't blame them for hopefully Manning does come back.
As for 2-9 with an average QB..NO...they have been in I think 5 or 6 1 score games they win most of those and who knows what else with a Cassell back there
Is this thread based on the presumption that the Colts organization has been trying to WIN since they learned they'd likely lost Manning for the season?
I don't think that's been established and I'd have no problem believing Irsay and Polian would trade a losing season (especially one played without Manning) for the next franchise QB and profits for the next 15 years, assuming they thought highly of the Luck.
I disagree with you there. Caldwell is a horrible coach. How he can't squeeze out at least 1 win from that team is proof enough. The Lions 0-16 season team had no talent on that team. This team has talent, the AFC is down as a whole with lots of mediocre team, yet they can't win a game. It's downright pathetic. They don't play hard for that coach and no one apparently seems to respect him from their lack of effort.
All I have heard this week is with this talent on the Colts' roster, they should be at least .500 if they had a decent QB. I look at that team and I think they have no more than 3-4 wins at most.
I still maintain that Peyton Manning's legacy dodged a huge bullet this season with him out because even with a healthy Manning, they weren't going to be better than .500. With Manning last year, they were 10-6 and they had the AFC West to walk over rather than the AFC North this year.
Let's look at the supposive talent:
Defense
Dwight Freeney - Yes, an elite DE
Robert Mathis - A very good DE
Pat Angerer - Gets padded stats because the Colts' defense is on the field most of the game
Gary Brackett - Injury prone and overrated. Hasn't been good since 2007
Antonine Bethea - Very good safety
So they have three of eleven defensive starters that are good.
Offense
Reggie Wayne - Elite WR
Austin Collie - Injury prone and overrated (decent back up, but not a starter)
Pierre Garcon - Very streaky (half of his yards and all of his TDs this year came in two games)
Dallas Clark - A very good TE
Jeff Saturday - Old and overrated
Joseph Addai - Could be a great 3rd down back, totally miscast as a lead back and still living off his reputation of his rookie season
Donald Brown - Total bust who's career stats for yards and TDs are pretty much what BJGE gave the Pats last season
Ryan Diem - Overrated
So they have probably 3-4 players on offense any good
The fact of the matter is if you get past all the names, this is a bad team and their record isn't much worse than the talent they actually had. Manning hid a lot of warts last year with an easy schedule. I think with a significantly tougher schedule this year from last year (their own division is more competitive this year and the AFC North is the best division in football) even Manning couldn't hide the warts this year. This team has been living on a cake division, reputations, and Manning's arm for the last few years. Polian has allowed the talent to get old or leave while not replacing the pieces over the last few years.
are they full of all pro players no but if manning was the QB they would have 7 wins right now and would be fighting the pats for the #2 seed