SunnyDenmark said:
Time to tone things down - cool the testosterone boys. This started out as a pretty good intellectual GUESS about how the AFCE looks. Now it has turned into a "My QB can beat up your QB with a hand tied behind his back". At this rate it will soon be a Jerry Springer show / chair throwing , shouting match. Hey, I can do that with my WIFE. But I can't talk FOOTBALL with her so thats why I am here now. I LIKE that Fish fans come here. Makes it more interesting and I hear some things about their team that I didn't know - as I sure am hell not going to read any of their newpaper reports about them.
But it doesn't advance anything on either side when we start comparing individual players vs. one another as this is not BOXING. It is a TEAM sport and coaching is also vital (more so than in other major sports).
I think Fish fans have a right to be confident - they have ended the last half of the season on a positive note, they have a decent coach for a change instead of Dave Wannabee, and they have an upgrade of QB as that has been a weak link for many years. If I was a Fish fan - I would be positively jumping for joy - that maybe the coaching staff won't be squandering their talent like it has been for years. Are they yet at the level of the PATS ?, don't think so / sure doesn't look like it on paper- but thats why we play the game on Sundays. Still with their easy schedule - baring major injuries I see them possibly competing for a wild card. Still with a tough AFC they will need help. My picks:
NE: 12-4 (would be fun for a change to blowout some teams - we could have a great offense soon -WR's please stay healthy)
MIA: 9 - 7 (could beat some decent teams - but still lots of changes means 1-2 years away from prime time)
Jets: 6-10 (rebuilding mode, learning new system, plus big ?? at QB)
Buf : 4-12 (going in the wrong direction - declining every year of late - reminds me of the Pete Carroll years )
PEACE!
Good post, I don't agree with everything, but it wasn't full of ignorant hate...refreshing. I also understand what you mean about comparing players, but I though I would put up Daunte and Bradys #'s I think you'll find them very interesting. For the Pat fans that think Brady is the only reason for the SB victories, Let the excuses fly:
Culpepper:
1999 Minnesota Vikings 1 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---
2000 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 474 297 62.7 3937 8.31 78 33 16 34/181 56 13 98.0
2001 Minnesota Vikings 11 11 366 235 64.2 2612 7.14 57 14 13 33/186 34 5 83.3
2002 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 549 333 60.7 3853 7.02 61 18 23 47/244 48 9 75.3
2003 Minnesota Vikings 14 14 454 295 65.0 3479 7.66 59 25 11 37/196 41 10 96.4
2004 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 548 379 69.2 4717 8.61 82 39 11 46/238 63 18 110.9
2005 Minnesota Vikings 7 7 216 139 64.4 1564 7.24 68 6 12 31/169 16 2 72.0
TOTAL 81 80 2607 1678 64.4
20162 7.73 82
135 86 228/1214 258 57
91.5
Rushing:
1999 Minnesota Vikings 1 0 3 6 2.0 9 0 0 1
2000 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 89 470 5.3 27 7 5 36
2001 Minnesota Vikings 11 11 71 416 5.9 34 5 3 31
2002 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 106 609 5.7 38 10 4 46
2003 Minnesota Vikings 14 14 73 422 5.8 42 4 1 28
2004 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 88 406 4.6 16 2 0 32
2005 Minnesota Vikings 7 7 24 147 6.1 18 1 0 11
TOTAL 81 80 454
2476 5.5 42 29 13 185
Brady:
2000 New England Patriots 1 0 3 1 33.3 6 2.00 6 0 0 0/0 0 0 42.4
2001 New England Patriots 15 14 413 264 63.9 2843 6.88 91 18 12 41/216 32 6 86.5
2002 New England Patriots 16 16 601 373 62.1 3764 6.26 49 28 14 31/190 37 3 85.7
2003 New England Patriots 16 16 527 317 60.2 3620 6.87 82 23 12 32/219 44 8 85.9
2004 New England Patriots 16 16 474 288 60.8 3692 7.79 50 28 14 26/162 52 10 92.6
2005 New England Patriots 16 16 530 334 63.0 4110 7.75 71 26 14 26/188 59 9 92.3
TOTAL 80 78 2548 1577 61.9
18035 7.08 91
123 66 156/975 224 36
88.5
RUSHING:
2000 New England Patriots 1 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0 0
2001 New England Patriots 15 14 36 43 1.2 12 0 0 7
2002 New England Patriots 16 16 42 110 2.6 15 1 0 20
2003 New England Patriots 16 16 42 63 1.5 11 1 0 11
2004 New England Patriots 16 16 43 28 0.7 10 0 0 12
2005 New England Patriots 16 16 27 89 3.3 15 1 0 16
TOTAL 80 78 190
333 1.8 15 3 0 66
The reason I bring in the numbers is to show that some Pat fans here seem to be a bit mislead or they just don't know the facts. Well here they are. If you look at all the numbers Brady and Culpepper are very close, some #'s favor Brady, but Culpepper has more impressive numbers. Brady has one less game and more then 2000 less passing yards. TD/INT # between the two are nearly the same. Daunte has a career QB rating of 91.5 while Bradys is 88.5. There is also the matter of rushing yrds. Brady has 190 att. for 333 yrds an avg of 1.8 ypc. Culpepper has 454 att. for 2456 an avg of 5.4 ypc. As if that weren't enough look at the teams and coach Culpepper had and look at the teams and coach Brady had.
I read some of the Pat fans posts here and you guys post like Brady is a god and all the teams success is is because of Brady, well I've shown you Daunte's numbers and they are better then Toms with far less talent overall. Culpepper doesn't have three SB rings because he didn't have the team, coaching staff and owner that Tom Brady and the Pats do. I would think you Pats fans would know all of this already, but you post like you don't care about what the Pats have done as a TEAM!!!! It's all about Brady.
A little advise here, you will not win 3 SB's in 4 years every decade, and you should learn to appreciate what you've been blessed with. A TEAM that dominated, rather then acting like it's your right to be this lucky. In other words try a little slice of humble pie, it's far more becoming. We as Fin fans understand Daunte had less then impressive #'s last year, but those #'s were added to his overall #'s and Culpepper still has better numbers then Brady. We also know he has a knee injury to overcome, as of right now Culpepper plans on playing games during the preason and he plans on being on the field when the season starts. If Daunte goes down then Hrrington was signed as depth, and oh BTW, Harrington has far more experience and better numbers then anything the Pats have on their depth chart if Brady goes down.
My list of 15 QB's that could have lead the Pats to three SB's with the same exact team coaching staff and situations Brady had.
1) Carson Palmer
2) Ben Roethlisberger
3) Donavan McNabb
4) Drew Brees
5) Trent Green
6) Steve McNair
7) Marc Bolger
8) Brad Johnson
9) Bret Favre
10) Peyton Manning
11)Jake Plummer
12) Jake Delhome
13)Byron Leftwich
14)Daunte Culpepper
15)Matt Hasselbeck
I'm sure some will disagree, after all no one is better then Brady (Pat fans opinion only), but they don't have to be. They just need to, in the immortal words of BB, "Do their job"!! Thats exactly what Brady does. His numbers aren't spectacular and will never reach what Marino, Favre and Elway did because Brady isn't a gun slinger he's a a "keep the chains moving" type of QB and isn't any QB on the list above capable of doing that?? This is not a knock on Brady or what he's done. Afterall the guy is a very smart QB his contribution the success of the Pats was no less important then anyone elses, it's more of a testement to BB and the system he installed.