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    Brady has received two roughing the passer calls this season. In comparison Schaub received 4.

    He's tied for 14th with 11 other teams/QB's as beneficiary's of Roughing the passer.

    Its one thing when moronic fans spew this stuff. But a guy who has ready access to any stat he wants should take the minute to look it up.

    Tannenhill received 7, Newton 6, Oak/Philly as a team both received 6, Fitzpatrick/Luck and Rodgers all received 5.
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    "Tom Brady has to be protected to be effective."

    :bricks:

    I'm not sure what TB he saw this season, but our TB has taken a lot of hits this season, and he is as effective as he has always been.
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    Drafted in the third round out of the University of Oregon in 1973, Fouts helped lead the Chargers to the playoffs from 1979 to 1982 and twice to the AFC title game (1980 and 1981).

    OK, everyone...I, the Joker ,have found him....I found Mark Sanchez's FATHER!

    He must be proud of Mark's chip off the ol' blockhead "2 consecutive AFCCG" losses...just like daddy used to do it.
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    What Dan Fouts describes is an NFL-wide dilemma at present. With the change in rules, refs are calling RTP for any hit on the QB that is a split-second late.
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    Dan Fouts is jealous because he is irrelevant. He thinks if he can knock Brady down a peg it will elevate his own career. Why single out Brady? Can't the same be said for every other QB? Nothing but petty jealousy. Maybe too many shots to the head. Take your 3 career playoffs wins and shove 'em up your ass.
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    One could try to tell Dan Fouts about the lack of TFB roughing the passer calls, however, after reading what he said I seriously doubt anything has ever been explained to him successfully.
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    So what? Eli Manning gets a lot more preferential treatment than Brady ever did. Just watch the last 2 super bowls. Also, look at his brother.
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    he refused to use the shotgun formation for the most part, even though he had the most prolific group of skill receivers in the league for a short three/four year period...he paid by being repeatedly smoked in the pocket. He uses this as an attack on Brady's courage....well...it's pretty dyam STUPID to refuse to use a formation that allows you more time in the pocket to look downfield and pass the ball to receivers essentially running double moves all day long.

    I saw all his big games over his career...in fact , back then the West Coast game was always the second game of the Sunday afternoon NFL and Air Coryell was on almost every week.
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    What is it about the playoffs that causes people to say incredibly stupid things?

    If Fouts is going to make such a comment, I'd like him to reference the specific plays/moments where Brady was protected by the stripes and the outcome of said protection.
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    Listening to him reeks of jealousy.
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    If your sports reporters are anything like ours, sometimes I'm glad I live half a world away.
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    Except, they aren't. As pointed out, there were only TWO called on players who hit Brady and I can guarantee you there were plenty that came more than a "split-second" late.

    Fouts is a moron who is talking out his arse to make himself sound important. The reality is that Brady gets the fewest calls given to him and he probably knows the penalties better than the officials do.
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    fouts sounds jealous
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    Translation:"I wish I was as good as Brady"
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    I think all quarterbacks are over protected. Attaching Brady's name to it is stupid but, if a call is close you better believe the official is going to err on the side of the QB. That's just the NFL these days.
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    I agree. I also said on Weei, how the hell do you play for 15 seasons in the NFL and not make it to the Super Bowl Once. Sounds to me someone is hating. Dont Hate Appreciate. Brady 3 Fouts 0. I never even knew who this dude was until he said what he said about Brady.
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    Good point. Put aside that Fouts is an @$$ bag for pointing the criticism at TFB versus taking the well thought out road (as you did), the uncertainty around the RTP rule sucks. It is too arbitrary and unfair to defenders, plain and simple. When a rule is arbitrary, outcomes of the game can be decided not by the competition but increasingly by the whim of a guy in a black and white striped shirt with a whistle strapped to his hand. As foolish as this is, it would be fairer to say just put two hands on the QB and he is now sacked/down (can this be far off already?).

    The ultimate problem is these decisions are made by an NFL brain trust that is less and less considering the game and more considering the $$$......
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    And since Brady got all of 2 RTP penalties called for him this season, it's clearly an epidemic. Sounds like Fouts should be saying this about a whole lot of other QBs rather than Brady.
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    Fouts gets special treatment from his employers by being able to say something so incredulously stupid without being publicly *****slapped and fired.
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    Here are some stats for Dan Fouts. I took the time to investigate just a little bit about the topic to realize that TB doesn't get as over-protected as many people think.

    2010-12 Patriots offense
    Over the last 3 seasons (2010-12), the Patriots have enjoyed the best offensive peak ever by a team: 1588 points, breaking the record held by the 1999-01 Rams. In that span, Brady had a 109/24 TD-INT ratio, with an 1.4 INT% and the 2nd most passing yds with 13,962. Now that's "effective", right?

    Referees "protecting" Brady
    Over the same period, the Pats were beneficiated with only 5 roughing the passer penalties on their favor. That is the 4th (tied) least amount in the league. NFL teams averaged 3 per season from 2010-12, while we only had 5.

    Breaking down the RTP penalties
    How about those penalties? Many might argue that he gets his way at home, or any kind of ridiculous theory, but the fact is that out of those 5 flags, only 2 came at home. The 1st was on MIA Paul Soliai on 2010 in a blowout win by NE. It was already a blowout when they called. Bad call or not, it did nothing for Brady have a better game given that it was over by the time of the call.
    The 2nd one was a little bit more controversial. It was on DAL Anthony Spencer on 2011 in a close win by NE. Many fans, and the media, argued about the severity of the ruling, but Spencer clearly hit Brady late on the play. In fact, Brady has been hit like this many times this season, and no referee threw a flag. So 24 home games, and only 2 RTP calls? That doesn't sound like home cooking.

    QB hits
    But let's get deeper. NE's opponents had a total of 190 QB hits (as FootballOutsiders.com explains: "These are plays knocking down the quarterback after a pass, not sacks.") in this 3-year span. While that is the 5th best total for a team (thanks O linemen), the relationship between the RTP penalties called, which could have been many if TB was actually "being protected by the refs", is very low. TB gets a RTP flag every 38 times he gets hit (statistically hit). That, Mr Fouts, is the 7th worst in the league. By this, we can safely say that TB is the 4th least referee-protected QB in the league in the past 3 years, just behind Tony Romo, Joe Flacco and Josh Freeman (the 3 remaining teams ahead of NE have had several QBs since 2010). If we add sacks, Brady gets a RTP flag every 54.8 hits+sacks, 8th worst.

    2010-12 NE Offensive Line
    And what about the O line? According to PFF, these were the pass block/protection rankings for our OL since 2010:
    2010 - 10th
    2011 - 8th
    2012 - 16th
    I'm not taking PFF as the last word, but they have a much less biased analysis than most of the "analysts" when it comes to football. As you see, we had an above average line over these 3 years, regarding pass blocking. Good, but not superb. Given that his criticism comes this year, I'm not sure what kind of games he watched. Not only our OL was average in PB, but we had only 2 OL healthy all year.

    Conclusion
    TB has guided the most prolific offense in any 3-year span ever, while not getting as much protection from the referees as everyone wants to think. Once again, BB, TB and NE haters fail to make a valid point in what they think is a good argument to pick on the Pats.
    Fouts' isn't just wrong, he is completely lost. While he claims that TB "needs to be protected to succeed", it is completely the opposite:

    In a 3-year span, Tom Brady led the best offense in the history of NFL, while being the 4th least referee-protected QB in the league, and behind a good-but-not-great pass blocking O line.

    Next time, try to hate with actual facts that can back up your statements.

    [Added on]

    QB hits: NFL Stats: by Team Category
    OL stats since 2009

    RTP penalties: NFL Penalties - 2012 League Penalty Stats - NFL Penalty Stats Tracker - List/Statistics/Data of NFL Penalties - 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
    NFL penalties breakdown since 2009. By team, season, player, type of penalty, etc.

    Patriots offensive stats: Pro-Football-Reference.com - Pro Football Statistics and History

    OL rankings:
    2012 - https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/10/24/offensive-line-rankings/
    2011 - Part 1 & part 2
    2010 - Part 1 & part 2

    That's all of them.
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    Well done. A total refute of Fouts.

    It's sad that it can be that easy to refute someone who is well paid to publish nationally recognized writing. Yet another sad commentary on the industry itself.
    You should email this to his boss and ask for his job :D
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    I hate when people who say things like this don't have twitter so I cant give them a piece of my mind! The slander continues...
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    Dan Fouts was Peyton Manning before Peton Manning was.
    One epic choke artist deserves another.
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    Maybe it is not about what you say, and more that you say something the may increase your profile and get free facetime....

    This is the same method as our local contrarians.. Felger, Borges et al.
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    Of that I have no doubt DarrylS. Is the trade off really worth it? I may hold a contentious position but I damn well wouldn't be pleased to have idiotic comments with no factual basis to them. Those sorts of things are best left to Tomase.
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    At 3:25pm yesterday on Sportsradio 980 in DC, Doc Walker casually stated that the Patriots had been found guilty by the league in 2007 for videotaping opponents' practices.

    It is what it is. The Patriots never fight back.
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    I just tweeted a link to josh24's post to the account of the new show CBS is attempting to launch he spewed this garbage on. Not that it will do any good. It's just a real pet peeve of mine when national football mediots/commentators spew ignorant, uninformed crap as if it's fact. And that they do so on shows that surround them with talent too equally uninformed to refute them.

    That this prolific empty yardage stiff with a career .500 winning pct. and almost as many INT's as TD's was a first ballot HOF inductee is an indictment of the media driven process. It's no wonder so many deserving players never had a shot...
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