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There is NO WAY Patten makes this team!
Wanna feel old? Yours was the 37th post in this thread...and only the 3rd from somebody who was on the board back then!
(Yeah, I'm old too.)
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Just curious, but do ANY of you think they applied the franchise tag and intend to KEEP Cassel? I can see the excitement about the potential trade offers that he could bring, but in light of Tom's injury, wouldn't it also be wise to keep a young, talented QB that the team has faith in, waiting in the wings just in case of a "worst case scenerio" with Brady? I hop Brady comes back strong and his level of play doesn't take a hit, but isn't anyone worried that that might not be the case? I'm sure you guys all have a lot more insight into all of this than I, but it makes SOME sense to me to hang onto the guy too.
Just curious, but do ANY of you think they applied the franchise tag and intend to KEEP Cassel? I can see the excitement about the potential trade offers that he could bring, but in light of Tom's injury, wouldn't it also be wise to keep a young, talented QB that the team has faith in, waiting in the wings just in case of a "worst case scenerio" with Brady? I hop Brady comes back strong and his level of play doesn't take a hit, but isn't anyone worried that that might not be the case? I'm sure you guys all have a lot more insight into all of this than I, but it makes SOME sense to me to hang onto the guy too.
Succinctly:
No
(Unless the Patriots currently KNOW Brady's injury is much more severe)
Minnesotta & Chicago would be two teams that could use his services most. Minny especially. They have a team in place that could realistically win the NFC with a productive QB. Niether teams picks aren in the top 10, so it's not as if they'd be surrending some sort of franchise altering asset, as compensation. Detroit's #20 makes sense, but would Cassel want to go to Detroit, which I think will play into where he ends up. KC isn't really a match with respect to players, nor picks. They, as they shouldn't, won't offer the 3rd pick, and their #34 (?) in the 2nd round isn't exactly what I'd be hoping for from a Patriots perspective. Tampa is another team to consider.
I say:
#1 Minny
#2 Chicago
#3 Tampa
#4 Detroit
#5 KC
Those are the teams I think are most likely as a destination.
Just curious, but do ANY of you think they applied the franchise tag and intend to KEEP Cassel? I can see the excitement about the potential trade offers that he could bring, but in light of Tom's injury, wouldn't it also be wise to keep a young, talented QB that the team has faith in, waiting in the wings just in case of a "worst case scenerio" with Brady? I hop Brady comes back strong and his level of play doesn't take a hit, but isn't anyone worried that that might not be the case? I'm sure you guys all have a lot more insight into all of this than I, but it makes SOME sense to me to hang onto the guy too.
Ok. So what are your other options like at QB? Do you think the Pats try to get a veteran backup or maybe draft a QB? Like I said, I haven't really lookied into all of this as much as I'm sure all of you did. Just trying to get an idea of where trading Cassel leaves you guys in terms of depth at QB.
Just curious, but do ANY of you think they applied the franchise tag and intend to KEEP Cassel? I can see the excitement about the potential trade offers that he could bring, but in light of Tom's injury, wouldn't it also be wise to keep a young, talented QB that the team has faith in, waiting in the wings just in case of a "worst case scenerio" with Brady? I hop Brady comes back strong and his level of play doesn't take a hit, but isn't anyone worried that that might not be the case? I'm sure you guys all have a lot more insight into all of this than I, but it makes SOME sense to me to hang onto the guy too.
While Cassel can't negotiate with other teams, the Patriots inform Cassel of their intent to trade him and ask him what teams he'd like to go to and what sort of contract he'd be looking for.
Then, the Patriots can approach those teams and inform them of what Cassel is looking for, in general, and then the Pats can either ask those teams what they'd offer in return for Cassel or the Pats can tell them what they expect in return.
There are ways around the other teams not being able to negotiate directly with Cassel.
If, as reported, he received the "non-exclusive franchise tender", he most certainly CAN negotiate with other teams. Generally this option is not used and mostly with the intent of working a trade.
From Wiki:
"There are two types of franchise tag designations: the exclusive rights franchise tag, and non-exclusive rights franchise tag:
An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams.
A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position in the previous year, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.
It is the team's choice whether it uses an exclusive or a non-exclusive franchise tag. While it may seem that a team would always choose the exclusive option, there are two reasons a team might prefer the non-exclusive option instead. The first is that the salary is based on the top 5 salaries of the previous year instead of the current year, which could be a significant difference. The second reason is that a team may want the opportunity for the two first-round draft picks they would receive if they lost their player."
The Patriots’ decision to place the non-exclusive franchise tag on quarterback Matt Cassel today – on the first possible day – creates a larger negotiating window with teams that might be interested in acquiring Cassel in a trade.
The Patriots had until Feb. 19 to make the decision.
The Patriots could now also give Cassel’s representatives permission to speak with interested teams about a possible contract – a key piece because any trade for Cassel would have to include a long-term contract extension.
With those pieces needed to fall into place – working out trade compensation, as well as Cassel’s representatives working out a new deal – the team might be thinking that "the more time, the better."
It also allows more time for a potential market for Cassel to take shape.
This is the time of year when most clubs are finalizing their free-agent and offseason strategy, the calm before the storm. The official start of free agency is Feb. 27.
Don't forget the 49ers. Other teams who could surprise us are Carolina, The Jets, Arizona, and Seattle.
Teams that I think would interest Cassel would be:
1) Arizona
2) Tampa
3) Minnesota
4) Chicago
5) Carolina
6) Seattle
7) San Fran
8) Detroit
if we do trade him, 2 first round draft picks would be amazing
I understand the difference between the tags. You took my post out of context. Look at the Rob0729's post, which is the one I replied to. Cassel can not negotiate with teams PRIOR to the start of free agency. My post was showing a way that Cassel can be involved prior to the start of free agency.
Ok. So what are your other options like at QB? Do you think the Pats try to get a veteran backup or maybe draft a QB? Like I said, I haven't really lookied into all of this as much as I'm sure all of you did. Just trying to get an idea of where trading Cassel leaves you guys in terms of depth at QB.
Now we got ya!!!
I for the life of me don't know why Detroit wouldn't offer the 20th overall for Cassel and draft LT Andre Smith number 1. Even if some other team (i.e. chicago) comes in higher, the Lions have to make that offer. Just have too.
Not that it's the best offer the pats may or may not get but it's a starting point.
Detroit's second round pick thrown in would make you happy, I'm guessing....
Wanna feel old? Yours was the 37th post in this thread...and only the 3rd from somebody who was on the board back then!
(Yeah, I'm old too.)
i was never against anyone. we are all patriots fans right