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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Mo said it well, but I have a different way of saying it. The cause and effect is backwards.
People do not hate the Pats because of Spygate -- people use Spygate to justify despising the Pats. It's pure envy. Thie Pats success is not supposed to happen in football. Teams do not win SBs with so few pro bowl players.
I'm going to guess that places you would hear things like "Belicheat" the most are Miami, Buffalo, Long Island, Pittsburgh, Oakland, and St. Louis.
Yes, in post-9/11 2001, who better to root for than an underdog named the Patriots. But since then, the Pats kept winning, Belickeck is not glib -- he gives nothing to the media. Brady does not sell himself to numerous advertisers, and then leads a supermodel lifestyle instead of huntin' and fishin' down in Mississippi.
On the merits, Spygate is ridiculous -- improperly taping signals on defense for LATER use in analysis. Coaches like Shanahan and Jimmy Johnson said that stealing signs DURING the game is easy anyway, but of limited value. Since being "exposed," the Pats have become more of an offensive team and less of a defensive team with as many or more wins later than before.
The sad part is that this non-issue will be in paragraph 1 or 2 of every obituary on BB and it's just not right. If someone like Bob Ryan wants to be useful, he will do what he can to point out how ridiculous this is.
That would be a fine argument if we stopped winning. As you (all) know, we have won more since then and all our SB have been a flip of a coin. 80% winning% and two SB appearances in five years is plenty for most thinking people.But everywhere I go people bring up the Spygate garbage and how the Patriots haven't won a Super Bowl since (as if going 18-1 with the best offense ever might negate the argument).
Spygate is easily debunked by :
Since (and including as we lost the camera in the first half of week one) 2007 the Patriots are 64-16 and have been to two Super Bowls in five years. And that includes one year that Brady missed entirely.
80% winning percent in the regular season and two Super Bowls.
The reason Spygate is brought up is because the Patriots win.
I mean, look at the evidence. The Patriots offense actually IMPROVED after Spygate. What does that tell you?
I live in the Los Angeles area and what Bob Ryan says is true. I mean of course if it was found that the Tampa Bucs or someone were cheating no one would care because they don't win.
But everywhere I go people bring up the Spygate garbage and how the Patriots haven't won a Super Bowl since (as if going 18-1 with the best offense ever might negate the argument).
This is why this Super Bowl means so much. To finally shut up those idiots say we haven't won anything since Spygate ergo we can't win without Spygate.
I live in the Dolphins market, hear it from fans every week, hear sports radio callers bring it up constantly, and hear the hosts in the local sorts media talk / debate about the legacy of BB / TB being affected by spygate.
Not daily, but certainly never a week goes by without it (spygate) being brought up. Usually they don't even have the facts right and insist that the Patriots videotaped practices.
I would agree that SUCCESS is the REAL reason for the hatred, but spygate is the go-to excuse.
The hatred started long, long before 2007. I think it was around the time they won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years.
Here's the reason people think Spygate was worse than it really was. The first-round pick. To many fans, that first-rounder is gold and you have to "F" up pretty seriously to have one taken away.
Goddell was the new sheriff in town and used too heavy of a hand when meting out punishment. Plus, he was angry that BB tried to play cute with "misinterpreting" the memos banning sideline taping.
Goddell was the new sheriff in town and used too heavy of a hand when meting out punishment. Plus, he was angry that BB tried to play cute with "misinterpreting" the memos banning sideline taping.
bob, rex, rob...
just ignore anyone with the last name ryan.