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    Awesome thats great news.
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    What a great weekend this would be for the Pats if they can get this done.
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    Some of it sounds very optimistic, but there is enough doublespeak in there to get too happy about it.
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    No, I don't think they know.. I hope they are close... I'm not holding my breathe though... I would love to see Samuel here as a Patriot, he just needs to get a reality check- he will not be as good as he is here, the system makes him look good, and 2, he may get more money else where, but he will probably be playing on a sorry ass team with no chance of making the playoffs. Take the money they offer you, it's good money, and will "take care of the family"... Ask Ty Law if it's a good idea to leave...
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    That's precisely what I was thinking... They don't know...
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    So he cares about his family. I could take care of a family with less than 1 mil a year, yet he needs 10 million for his. I just think that part is stupid. I just hope they can get a deal done. With him on the team it would secure our defense, and we would have no big holes on defense.
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    It is very good news...of course..cautious optimism....heard it all before and..it MAY happen and it may not...but THIS is a lot better than some of the baloney heard months ago.. Would like to get it done..and get ON with teh season.
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    Wow, lot's of positive spin type stuff from the agent.

    I guess you'd call that "saying all the right things".
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    Hate to rain on this parade but RotoWorld is saying:

    There is "virtually no chance" that either Asante Samuel or Lance Briggs will sign long-term contracts before the July 16 deadline for franchise players.

    Both players are threatening to sit out the first ten games of the 2007 season. If they don't sign multi-year deals before the deadline, the only way Samuel and Briggs will be able to play is under the one-year franchise tender.

    They got this info from ESPN insider.
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    I'm optimistic, that's entirely different language that the crap that has been coming off his side. If there was NO progress, they would have said nothing. They may be overstating things a touch on just how close they are in order to stimulate the final weekend of talks, but at least they appear that they've not left the table.

    It's more encouraging then where I thought they were. I was just hoping he'd sign the tender. I pretty much assumed the long term deal was DEAD. Sounds at least like it isn't.
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    Considering one is from a party directly involved with the negotiations and one has absolutely no relevence whatsoever.....

    I don't see any rain at all.
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    nothing to get excited until a deal is done, this is all pr posturing,thats it all it is
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    How do you know?

    And it is exciting to hear that they are at least talking when many of us have believed that a long term deal wasn't in the cards. Just the fact that they are talking when it was reported that no talks were going on is exciting. I am going to hold out some hope that this deal gets done. It would be smart for the Pats to shore up that secondary long term.
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    Very interesting ... especially coming when it does, just before the deadline.
    Here's what i take from this report:

    Agent Toby didn't give that interview simply to oblige a diligent reporter who inquired.
    He gave it for some strategic purpose within the context of a high-stakes showdown.
    The best idea that occurs to me is that Toby is trying to apply some pressure to the management side
    by letting the world think that a deal is all but done ... but if it doesn't get done,
    that could only be due to some niggardliness by the front office.

    Toby wouldn't be in that position if the club had not already offered real good money.

    So don't expect anything until, say, about 3:30 Monday afternoon.
    That's because Pioli doesn't have to materially improve whatever offer he already has out there.
    My guestimate is that as "little" as about 13 million ... in this year's cash ... should do it.

    Asante is on the threshold of one of the greatest days of his life. (Perhaps there might be another
    such payday in 5 or 6 years. Perhaps not.)
    Samuel knows it is a fine offer. He abhors the alternative.
    Saturday and Sunday his agents will try to get Pioli to give even more.
    Pioli can stand pat.

    Monday afternoon he'll make one small final concession.
    As the clock ticks to (metaphorical) midnight, the pressure on Samuel to sign
    will become overwhelming.

    And the Patriots will have their #1 cornerback locked up for another 4 or 5 years (regardless of the nominal duration of the contract.)
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    I REALLY hope that you're right, pp!

    It could also be that they already know that they will turn the offer down and are putting some spin out there to prepare for when the details of it are known, having earlier dismissed the Patriots' offers as completely inadequate.

    "No, it wasn't an insulting offer. In the end they came up with a very good offer, but one that didn't meet what we know Asante to be worth. Now if they'd only gone that extra yard ..."
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    The agent is saying the right things, the proverbial "you attract more bees with honey than vinegar" argument.

    I'll be watching Reiss and co. carefully for the next 48+ hours with cautious optimism. I hope this gets done so we can move on to the start of training camp with the full complement of players and get back to the important stuff.
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    Obviously this is how a good agent works. Perhaps Jason Chayut should take notice.
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    i thought i was on your ignore list, if im off please put me back on, thanks
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    I tend to agree. The ESPN Insider stuff was based on the players earlier comments. This is much more positive and consiliatory to the point of the agent almost sounding a little contrite about some earlier spin. Perhaps given time to think and obviously make as many calls as they like past the point of early FA hysteria, his agents have found the real market for Samuel has cooled somewhat - in a way bridging some of that gap that we figured the team simply couldn't. Now of course if some nefarious HC/GM team like the dynamic young duo in the Meadowlands reads this kind of upbeat spin and decides to re-insert a monkey wrench into the works at the 11th hour and this could all be for naught.

    I still really think they get something done that gets him in during camp, be it a deal by Monday or a compromise on retagging by the end of the month, or he's gone. I don't think they intend to play the waiting game.
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    Nicely articulated, reflects a lot of what I have said over this issue, here he has had one good season that played to his strengths, not sure it would translate to another team.
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    Hey, I think most of us would be ecstatic with no deal but he doesn't hold out. That clears the decks for this season and there then remains the possibility that over the course of this season they achieve a better mutual understanding of his long term value prior to the first day of FA in 2008.

    It used to be a given that if the player caved and came in under the tag it was a given he was gone the following season. But Alexander and the Seahawks were able to salvage their relationship in spite of the tag and use that time to get a deal done.
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    Peter King was saying the same thing last night on NFL Network. All I've got to say is let's see what happens. Get the deal done, guys. And then go out and make history!


    psychoPat wrote:

    Agent Toby didn't give that interview simply to oblige a diligent reporter who inquired.
    He gave it for some strategic purpose within the context of a high-stakes showdown.
    The best idea that occurs to me is that Toby is trying to apply some pressure to the management side
    by letting the world think that a deal is all but done ... but if it doesn't get done,
    that could only be due to some niggardliness by the front office.

    Toby wouldn't be in that position if the club had not already offered real good money.


    This is a sound theory. It seems the dialogue has opened up, and that's a good sign. As suggested they may be close, with perhaps a little stubbornness from the Patriots side, so Toby is using some urging because he sees a ray of hope (and wants to make his side look good if a deal doesn't get done). Hey, Freeney just signed a new deal with his team so anything can happen. :)
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    You have the wrong guy. I don't put anyone on an ignore list and I have no reason to put you on it.
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    whoops i think the 37 got me confused sorry
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    It may sound cynical but isn't it in the agent's best interest to get a deal done? He'd get his 3% ( of $20 million, it's $600K) but if Samuel plays under the franchise tag, I'm assuming ( you know what they say about that) the agent would get zippo since he did not negotiate the contract.....
    Just my $0.02,............
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    I agree with the stupid reasoning ("take care of family") but disagree if fans question why a player needs $xxx when they fans make $0.xx. I understand in this case that the repost is aimed at the stupid reasons given by the departing players for wanting to leave.

    Given that they have to make hay when the sun shines on their fast and brutal careers (that can be abruptly cut without notice), I don't have any issues with them trying to do what we do: make more if we do better than the average. I am elated if the players are like Brown/Brady/Vrabel/Bruschi opting for less to stay and make history; I am disappointed if guys like Asante, Ty and Deion think that they must get the maximum $ come what may. But I am neither pissed off with them nor wonder why they are asking for gazillions more when the avg American salary is $40k p.a.

    If they sign, well and good. If they don't, still well and good because I have much confidence in the rest of the team, the FO and the coach to carry on. I just wish that these departing players shut up and not insult us fans by giving ridiculous execuses that this is for 'their family' or 'put food on the table'.
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    There's nothing ridiculous about saying that wanting a big payday is for "their family" because these guys are thinking about their family's future. $7 million seems like a lot, but on its own, it's not going to last a family generations. Samuel's in a position where he could end up getting paid enough money to set up a trust that will help ensure that his grandchildren and great-grandchild will be able to put money down on a house or send their kids to college without worrying about loans or dept.

    I happen to be lucky enough to have had a great-great-grandfather who was "greedy" enough to make a small fortune in real estate around the turn of the century. Over a hundred years later, I'm still benefiting from this. Unlike many friends, I didn't have to worry about student loans after college. I was able to pick my career without worrying about how much money I was going to make, and I when it took me quite a few years to really get going in that field, I didn't have financial worries pressing me to give up my ambitions.

    I'm thankful for my great-great-grandfather's greed every day, as will Asante Samuel's progeny be.
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    hey guys...theres a good article about this on profootballtalk, but i'm not sure how many of you guys feel about the site. so i thought id share because it sounds like they have a good point as this Toby guy isn't one of the registered agents therefore he cant be a part of the negotiations...

    http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

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