Should the Patriots attempt to convert Jake Bequette to tight end?

OhExaulted1 said:

I'm not even sure how to respond to this.

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That's the idea, amigo...

PatFanCraig said:

Ninkovich is solid and plays smart. But he isn't a difference maker and doesn't make any wow plays. Yet Bill seems completely content and psyched having g him start. And shows no interest in remotely finding an upgrade. We hear excuses and flaws we don't actually get to see for ourselves bout players we feel has a shot to be difference makers.

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OK...you're disgusted with Belichick for playing a "smart, solid" player who has put up 149 tackles, 16 sacks, 1 pass defended and 7 forced fumbles over the past two seasons from the un-flashy LDE position, because he doesn't make plays that make you say "wow."

And you're angry at him for not playing somebody he considers worse so you could have a chance to "see for yourself." In particular, you "feel" that the players who can't crack the roster could be "difference makers" except for the fact that Belichick has "no interest" in improving the team.

Just want to make sure I've got that right.

supafly said:

You and I both, OE1.

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Just one of those dudes. I'll wrap you with a hug or piss pound your face in the dirt. Honest, loyal and straight forward. I'm no keyboard tough-guy. Lend me your brain. I need smart people to make me smarter. That's why I post. No games. No ********.

patchick said:

OK...you're disgusted with Belichick for playing a "smart, solid" player who has put up 149 tackles, 16 sacks, 1 pass defended and 7 forced fumbles over the past two seasons from the un-flashy LDE position, because he doesn't make plays that make you say "wow."

And you're angry at him for not playing somebody he considers worse so you could have a chance to "see for yourself." In particular, you "feel" that the players who can't crack the roster could be "difference makers" except for the fact that Belichick has "no interest" in improving the team.

Just want to make sure I've got that right.

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Bravissimo! Right...on...the...money...

OhExaulted1 said:

Just one of those dudes. I'll wrap you with a hug or piss pound your face in the dirt. Honest, loyal and straight forward. I'm no keyboard tough-guy. Lend me your brain. I need smart people to make me smarter. That's why I post. No games. No ********.

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Well, I'd like to claim that I'm tougher, and while I've broken a nose or two, as well as had my nose broken a time or two---my "tougher days" are far behind me. I know what you mean though. You've got to let it all pour out, and let the chips fall where they may.

As far as posting style, I feel you. I'm here to learn, and to leave the ******** behind. To be completely honest, I'd probably rather be known as a good dude than a good poster. In a perfect world, I hope to make progress on both accounts.

patchick said:

OK...you're disgusted with Belichick for playing a "smart, solid" player who has put up 149 tackles, 16 sacks, 1 pass defended and 7 forced fumbles over the past two seasons from the un-flashy LDE position, because he doesn't make plays that make you say "wow."

And you're angry at him for not playing somebody he considers worse so you could have a chance to "see for yourself." In particular, you "feel" that the players who can't crack the roster could be "difference makers" except for the fact that Belichick has "no interest" in improving the team.

Just want to make sure I've got that right.

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Patchick-you've got it right! Who's the most underrated player in the NFL? Yes, you stupid SOB's, it's Rob Ninkovich. Good call Patchick, no one is giving him the props he deserves here. He's our new Bruschi (I know, sacrilidge) the Polish kid tears it up, give him respect. He was tearing up the other side so Jones could get there for 11.5 sacks.

Totally underrated.

supafly said:

Well, I'd like to claim that I'm tougher, and while I've broken a nose or two, as well as had my nose broken a time or two---my "tougher days" are far behind me. I know what you mean though. You've got to let it all pour out, and let the chips fall where they may.

As far as posting style, I feel you. I'm here to learn, and to leave the ******** behind. To be completely honest, I'd probably rather be known as a good dude than a good poster. In a perfect world, I hope to make progress on both accounts.

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So pick your parking lot and we can square off.

I'm kidding man, that's for 20 year old punks or Johnny Football. You're a really good poster supa and you're posts are informative and intelligent and I gravitate towards them. Not ball-washing. Straight-up.

Jackson 2 said:

That's the idea, amigo...

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I say smile while you take a piss on your neighbors lawn and enjoy the wind blowing through your hair. Hashtag-#***hole

Love him or hate him for it, but Belichick would probably fill up the ENTIRE roster with Ninkoviches if he could.. and by that I mean, smart, solid players who can be relied on to do their jobs.. even when they lack those flashes of wow.

Interesting article on Ninkovich
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...ninkovich-finds-niche-as-big-playmaker-011813

patchick said:

OK...you're disgusted with Belichick for playing a "smart, solid" player who has put up 149 tackles, 16 sacks, 1 pass defended and 7 forced fumbles over the past two seasons from the un-flashy LDE position, because he doesn't make plays that make you say "wow."

And you're angry at him for not playing somebody he considers worse so you could have a chance to "see for yourself." In particular, you "feel" that the players who can't crack the roster could be "difference makers" except for the fact that Belichick has "no interest" in improving the team.

Just want to make sure I've got that right.

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Your way off. I wasn't even singling Belichick out. I was saying coaches have started a player who was solid in favor of a player who is worse for the time being,because he is young and raw but has far more raw talent and a much higher ceiling. Where a coach likes the player as one of his personal favorites and likes the stability although the player isn't anything special and is at his ceiling. Rather than being in a hurry to get the player ready with the dynamically high ceiling and make the gamble to get the player on the field that has the dynamic game changing potential.

I don't know why everybody took this so personal. Its a frigging preference. I am just curious if Bill wants to start giving Buchanan more and more snaps to see if he makes more of the impact plays he made as a rookie in his limited snaps. If he does I'm saying he should get more and more snaps as he progresses and eventually start.

Its all about I want us to win the Superbowl. That means we need to make big improvement's especially in our passrush. It seriously struggles. In the big games. It was non existent against Denver's OLine featuring some backups at tackle. I could present a closer look beyond the surface of his 16 sacks in 2 seasons but this isn't about bashing Ninkovich. Its about improving our passrush to help us get over that hill and finally winning the superbowl. And being excited about the raw talent of some of our young passrushers and hoping it comes to fruition.

Danger Zone said:

Love him or hate him for it, but Belichick would probably fill up the ENTIRE roster with Ninkoviches if he could.. and by that I mean, smart, solid players who can be relied on to do their jobs.. even when they lack those flashes of wow.

Interesting article on Ninkovich
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...ninkovich-finds-niche-as-big-playmaker-011813

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Unfortunately that's probably true. Your right. Problem is it will get us into the playoffs every year like it has but in the end it hasn't been a good enough strategy for a Superbowl trophy title. That article was a little generous on Ninkovich. He's not a lossy slug however. Just not the difference makers that consistently breathed down Bradys neck that won a Superbowl against us. Or the DEs that savaged manning that won a Superbowl trophy. A team needs some Ninkovich's at right positions and certain plays. But also some raw explosive impact is needed. Many sportswriters felt Pete Carroll took a shot at Bellichick and the patriots when he said when you're as talented as we are you don't have to get fancy and have to master all those complex schemes. We just line up and beat you up. And said I'll take my talented players over geniuses any day. They felt he is still sore and personal over getting fired and that those comments were directed at us and rubbing it in that Bills system failed.

I was also thinking along the lines of our improved secondary and how improved it will be. But if we lack an impact passrush. I'm worried If Browner will be as effective without that passrush he had in Seattle. We have many pieces in place,I wouldn't want a weak passrush to sabotage our secondary.

I think Buchanan has as much ability as many top pass rushers or darn close.

We are not taking anything personally. We just strongly disagree with your analysis. IMHO, there is NO ONE other Chandler Jones that Belichick thinks has more talent at DE (raw or developed) than Ninkovich, and certainly no one with a higher ceiling.

As has been said, Ninkovich is this team's Bruschi.

PatFanCraig said:

Your way off. I wasn't even singling Belichick out. I was saying coaches have started a player who was solid in favor of a player who is worse for the time being,because he is young and raw but has far more raw talent and a much higher ceiling.

I don't know why everybody took this so personal.

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If the Patriots give Bequette a shot at tight end, I'd be afraid of others demanding that Tim Tebow get equal time.

Tunescribe said:

If the Patriots give Bequette a shot at tight end, I'd be afraid of others demanding that Tim Tebow get equal time.

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I'm probably going to regret this question, but did Tebow ever play TE in high school prior to his QB days at Florida? Is that where the whole "he can be a TE" stuff came from, or was it simply another case of Mark Harrison/Brandon LaFell where people just started to hope?

In the case of Bequette, I can at least understand Brady 6's question due to the fact that he played the position before, and it's still the slow part of the offseason.

PatFanCraig said:

That's my point, Buchanan gets 2 sacks in 3 games as a rookie. Including giving D Brickashaw Ferguson more than he could handle. They had the RB help him out and Buchanan still beat them for a sack. That's encouraging yet they found an excuse to bench him and not even give him any snaps at all. Not even passrush downs. Over run containment mistake to never let him play?? Happened before where very talented players were benched and held back because they showed talent it could cause fans to uproar for that player to get more snaps or even start if their impact plays kept up.Coaches wanted the starter to keep his job and didn't want controversy for anybody else to start yet. I know of several times that's happened. And was later even revealed.

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You have to know and execute your assignment, in sync with the rest of the defense, If you want to be a Patriot.

Brady6 said:

Huh?

Bequette has NFL talent otherwise he wouldn't have been drafted in the third round in 2012. If you were drafted by a MLB team I would say you could give it a shot.

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He's obviously talented enough to sit for two years on a team that needs someone at his position.

supafly said:

I'm probably going to regret this question, but did Tebow ever play TE in high school prior to his QB days at Florida? Is that where the whole "he can be a TE" stuff came from, or was it simply another case of Mark Harrison/Brandon LaFell where people just started to hope?

In the case of Bequette, I can at least understand Brady 6's question due to the fact that he played the position before, and it's still the slow part of the offseason.

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I can't find evidence of him playing TE, but a lot of quarterbacks convert successfully to other offensive positions. Tebow has athletic ability and being a good QB minus the arm means a lot on an offense. A guy that's learned to see the whole field has a hella advantage.

Bequette might have plated TE, but he was switched to D. Why take a sluggish DE who can't get on the field and convert him to a sluggish TE, when you can pick up someone on waivers instead?

A decent running QB starts out over qualified in smarts and instincts and a lot were the best WRs, RBs, TEs etc. on high school and college teams if they didn't play QB.

how many days before camp?...jeezus

RayClay said:

You have to know and execute your assignment, in sync with the rest of the defense, If you want to be a Patriot.

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I thought that's with any defense? The patriots however seem a little to fanatical with it to the extent of it hindering development of young elite talent with pro bowl potential. Like would Rob Quinn or Aldon Smith or Justin Houston be on the bench because of a mistake executing his assignment in favor of a mediocre player who plays heads up and assignment sound but makes little impact. I'm more in favor of a balance. I'm sure harbaugh wants assignment sound play but he also knows the rewards of playing Aldon smith while coaching him up and development.

PatFanCraig said:

I thought that's with any defense? The patriots however seem a little to fanatical with it to the extent of it hindering development of young elite talent with pro bowl potential. Like would Rob Quinn or Aldon Smith or Just on Houston be on the bench because of a mistake executing his assignment in favor of a mediocre player who plays heads up and assignment sound but makes little impact. I'm more in favor of a balance. I'm sure harbaugh wants assignment sound play but he also knows the rewards of playing Aldon smith while coaching him up and development.

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I'm no defensive expert, but the Pats will bench someone for making tackles if they left their area of responsibility. I do think other defenses allow guys to freelance more. When they had veterans like Rodney they were allowed to deviate because they would have other veterans cover their asses or make sure they didn't miss the tackle, or interception resulting from their improvisation.

Even when they have one dimensional players, they coach them up in the offense if they want to get more snaps. I think Mark Anderson became a little more versatile as he went along, especially after Carter went down.

This is all opinion and memory, so someone correct me if that sounds like BS.