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Robert Kraft defends Roger Goodell: "The way he has handled this situation is excellent"


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Kraft is saying that Goodell has handled this situation "excellent". You agree with that?

Kraft should not have used the word "excellent". Kraft also had every reason to support Goodell.

Obviously Goodell should have viewed more evidence before determining a 2 game sentence. However, since he had the chance to change the sentence, the 2 game sentence "worked".

What has been missing for some years is a severe treatment by the league of those who commit violent crime, especially against women.
 
Kraft will always do what he feels is best for the league. Defending Goodell is what is best for the league. Letting people think that Goodell knew what was on the video or didn't try enough to get the video only weakens the league.

BTW, I don't agree with him, but I expect the league to circles the wagons around Goodell.

In what universe could defending Goodell's utter incompetence be good for the league? The league ends up coming off as a bunch of out-of-touch mysogynist boobs. How can that possibly be a good thing?
 
Nope, he would have defended him if he had slept with a 10 year old girl. Kraft is a league man and while that payed off big time when it came to the lockout it comes back to bite everyone in the ass when it comes to a team in London, expanded play-offs, and expanded regular season schedule. They believe Goodell is making them a ton of money and will stand by him no matter what he does. Much as i like Bob Kraft and i am grateful to him for all he has done for Patriot fans I can't stand him when he's shilling.

Do you seriously think there aren't a thousand suits that could land in that job and make the league money?
 
Kraft supported the decision to indefinitely suspend Rice. And it is horrible that Kraft supported this decision?
Ridiculous!

Either the NFL covered up ElevatorGate or was completely incompetent in their investigation.
 
Agree completely, however Kraft coming out in his defense clearly demonstrates imo that the owners are going to weather the storm and stand by their man, regardless of how big a douchebag he is or how incompetent he is.

I'm not sure that will last. The storm is just getting started.
 
In what universe could defending Goodell's utter incompetence be good for the league? The league ends up coming off as a bunch of out-of-touch mysogynist boobs. How can that possibly be a good thing?

Again, I don't agree with it. I think that is what Kraft believes.

Throwing Goodell under the bus can only hurt the league. Refusing to comment will only make people think Kraft wants to throw Goodell under the bus. There really is no right way to comment other than maybe "We have to review what happened and make a decision then" which everyone knows is a BS response anyway.
 
Again, I don't agree with it. I think that is what Kraft believes.

Throwing Goodell under the bus can only hurt the league. Refusing to comment will only make people think Kraft wants to throw Goodell under the bus. There really is no right way to comment other than maybe "We have to review what happened and make a decision then" which everyone knows is a BS response anyway.
Bull crap.

The damage is already done and if there was a cover up, it will make matters worse.
 
Kraft supported the decision to indefinitely suspend Rice. And it is horrible that Kraft supported this decision?

No, it's horrible that he supported Goodell's handling of the entire matter. Are you being disingenuous?
 
This is where it becomes difficult to maintain the illusion in my mind that I can somehow dissociate the enjoyment I take from watching the NFL from having to think about the personal views and/or behavior of those who play the game or who are otherwise engaged in its production.

I'll just leave it that I wish Mr. Kraft hadn't made that comment.
 
Bull crap.

The damage is already done and if there was a cover up, it will make matters worse.

Everyone is assuming there is a cover up and if there is actually one that it will actually be exposed. I don't know if either is the case. At least not in Kraft's eyes.

I have a feeling it was just another case of Goodell and his office majorly bumbling a situation and not an effort to hid the video and what Rice did.
 
1) The league has covered up for many violent men in the past.

2) Minor drug offenses have always been treated more seriously than wife-beating (or even murder).

3) Kraft is the spokesman for the owners and will (& should) always speak out on a controversial issues.

4) Blame Kraft for the decisions. Goodell is NOT incompetent. He does his job of serving the owners and the financial integrity of the game.

5) My BOTTOM LINE, is that the public will look and see a violent player on indefinite suspension for beating his wife. The fact that the initial suspension was only two weeks is worth lots of articles on the sports page.

6) The league is changing its priorities. Wife wearing is now starting to become more serious than minor drug offenses. Player safety is a #2 priority. This are good steps for the NFL. IMHO, Kraft and the public supports the NFL and its product.

I think the Leonard Little saga made it pretty clear that the NFL doesn't care at all about the character of its players. But at least Paul Tagliabue was borderline open about it: at least the league didn't claim to be some supreme arbiter of moral authority back then. The reason why I find Goodell so detestable is that this is what he's been hanging his hat on since the day he became commissioner. He was the new sherriff who was going to ride into town and clean up the league with zero tolerance for misbehavior. Everyone praised that about him when he was dishing out massive overreach, ovearreaction punishments to the Patriots for something as pointless as Spygate.

He was appointed to serve as a direct reaction to Tagliabue, and show that the Tagliabue era was over and that everyone in the league would be accountable now. Somehow, over the course of this Ray Rice fiasco, he's simultaneously proven that:

A) The only gauge by which he metes out punishment is whether or not the public is mad based on what they have or haven't seen. What was previously worth a 2 game suspension is now worth an indefinite one because people are angrier now.

B) He has absolutely no problem with covering up evidence and lying about what it says in order to craft a narrative that will make the public as upset (or not upset) as he wants them to be. In this case, he was covering up evidence to hold back the public anger. In the Bountygate case, he was outright lying about what the evidence said so that he could justify the desired punishment. Spygate was almost certainly another example of the latter, IMO.

C) Now that people have caught on to how arbitrary and deceptive he is, there's nowhere left for him to go. Everytime he's had to handle a perceived crisis in the past, he's held evidence back from the public, told them to trust his judgment, and ruled however he thought would score him and the league the most PR points. But now that nobody trusts his judgment, his pet formula just doesn't work anymore.

He's toast, or at least he damn well should be. If the NFL actually stands by this clown/hypocrite/*******, then good luck selling their pink crap.
 
Everyone is assuming there is a cover up and if there is actually one that it will actually be exposed. I don't know if either is the case. At least not in Kraft's eyes.

I have a feeling it was just another case of Goodell and his office majorly bumbling a situation and not an effort to hid the video and what Rice did.

Because a security arm manned by former FBI and CIA agents couldn't possibly figure out how to give th e league every single bit of evidence there was? They couldn't get ahold of a video they /knew/ existed, a video that TMZ was able to get? Sorry, not buying it. If the league didn't see the video, it was because they didn't /want/ to see the video, and if they didn't want to see the video, it's a coverup.
 
Everyone is assuming there is a cover up and if there is actually one that it will actually be exposed. I don't know if either is the case. At least not in Kraft's eyes.

I have a feeling it was just another case of Goodell and his office majorly bumbling a situation and not an effort to hid the video and what Rice did.
Well, that's his point. They're either covering up something that happened or they're covering up the handling of this...either way, the fact that the public thinks there's a cover up and Kraft is waving his hands saying there isn't, leads to speculation.

You already stated "assuming a cover up". Do you not see the nightmare they have on their hands and how saying it's been handled "excellent" is as dumb as this guy? You can't say everything is great when everyone sees it isn't.

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No, it's horrible that he supported Goodell's handling of the entire matter. Are you being disingenuous?[/QUOTE
You must read more carefully.

The statement you attributed to me had a question mark at the end. It is the position of others, not mine. In fact, I responded to that view.

TO BE CLEAR, I strongly support what Kraft has said and done in this matter, other than his use of the word "excellent".

We should be clear with regard to how much we want the NFL to be an investigative agency. The usual position is for the NFL to rely on the police and to add NFL sanctions to the police's punishment (except in the case of drugs where the league has its own absurd policy). Apparently, in this case, the NFL consulted with the police. There was no tape given to the NFL. Make no mistake, without the tape there would be no public outrage. When the tape surfaced, Rice was suspended indefinitely.

The issue for me is the priorities of the NFL. Pot gets a 4 game suspension; wife beating gets a 2 game suspension (it was only more because of the tapes). I believe this is in the process of being changed, although this process may take a couple of years.
 
Question for the lawyers on this board (you dirty scumbags ;)): How does Ray Rice not have a legitimate legal complaint against the Ravens and the NFL for how it has handled his employment status? I'm not defending his crime, but he reportedly DID tell them precisely what happened in the elevator, and the league office DID hand down discipline. Nothing has changed except for the new video confirming what Rice supposedly told them.
 
Because a security arm manned by former FBI and CIA agents couldn't possibly figure out how to give th e league every single bit of evidence there was? They couldn't get ahold of a video they /knew/ existed, a video that TMZ was able to get? Sorry, not buying it. If the league didn't see the video, it was because they didn't /want/ to see the video, and if they didn't want to see the video, it's a coverup.

I am thinking no one in the league or the Ravens wanted to see the video and were happy the police didn't comply with their request. I think I buy the story that the NFL asked for the video and the police didn't comply. I just don't think the league wanted to push too hard because they thought this would just get glossed over like most domestic violence cases in the past.
 
Everyone is assuming there is a cover up and if there is actually one that it will actually be exposed. I don't know if either is the case. At least not in Kraft's eyes.

I have a feeling it was just another case of Goodell and his office majorly bumbling a situation and not an effort to hid the video and what Rice did.
In the NFL's rush to judgment without a thorough investigation, the NFL blamed the woman for the incident and gave Ray Rice a slap on the wrist.
 
Because a security arm manned by former FBI and CIA agents couldn't possibly figure out how to give th e league every single bit of evidence there was? They couldn't get ahold of a video they /knew/ existed, a video that TMZ was able to get? Sorry, not buying it. If the league didn't see the video, it was because they didn't /want/ to see the video, and if they didn't want to see the video, it's a coverup.

Seriously. TMZ got the video. If the NFL couldn't, then they need to take that as a clear indication of how worthless their investigative skills are, and accordingly stop acting as judge, jury and executioner altogether.

And considering that this zero-tolerance, no-nonsense BS has been the driving force behind the Goodell era, he'd still need to get the axe even if they went that route.
 
Apparently, you all think that the NFL should expand its security and have a fully developed police force, rather than rely on police.

There are many choices with regard to how the LEAGUE should prosecute crimes. Almost everyone here seems to think that the league was negligent because they didn't investigate more and better than the police did. After all, it seems that it is the responsibility of the LEAGUE to investigate and prosecute crimes that may have been perpetrated by its employees.

I do NOT find this approach reasonable or acceptable.

I do indeed think that Rice should have been given a stiffer sentence with the evidence that they had. Wife-beating should be more important than the use of pot. It would seem that this would take a change in NFL policy, which is likely underway.
 
Kraft should not have used the word "excellent". Kraft also had every reason to support Goodell.

Obviously Goodell should have viewed more evidence before determining a 2 game sentence. However, since he had the chance to change the sentence, the 2 game sentence "worked".

What has been missing for some years is a severe treatment by the league of those who commit violent crime, especially against women.

Kraft should not have said anything period.

Kraft will look like a buffoon for showing his support to an employee who may be at the very worst guilty of a cover up, or at the very minimum showed complete negligence when handling the investigation in the first place.

The prudent thing to do was to wait for all the chips to fall as they may before releasing a comment.
 
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