Welker "could" get traded to us instead?

[PATRIOTS-80]

MOST OF THE PEOPLE IVE READ OR HEARD BELIEVE HES WORTH A SECOND, PLUS THEY KNOW THE PATRIOTS WANT HIM SO ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS WAIT FOR THE OFFER,

would you please not type in caps ... its considered equivalent to "internet screaming" and rude.

 

[Sorna]

Because this is Torry Holt we're talking about, right ?

:bricks:

No, because that is what he is tendered at. Miami either keeps the young talent, or they get a 2nd round pick. Why would they accept anything less?

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

RUMOR

Patriots and Dolphins in trade talks over Wes Welker, Pats are offering #28 for Welker and aging Jason Taylor in a bid to further lower the average age of the Pats' linebacking corps. This is a Box News Special Report.

 

[Rob0729]

I'll send you $20 if you can show me where the Patiots said they were going to do that.

The Patriots plan to sign Miami restricted free-agent wide receiver Wes Welker to a seven-year offers sheet worth $38.5 million. Once Welker signs the offer sheet, the Dolphins will have seven days to match it. If they decide not to, they would get the Patriots' second-round draft pick.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

 

[BelichickFan]

SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS IF THE PATS HEARD SOMEONE WANTED TO SIGN GAY THEY WOULD CALL THE TEAM UP AND SAY SIGN HIM WE ONLY VALUE HIM AS A 3?

No but a team could call the Patriots and say "We're interested in Randall Gay. However he's worth a #3 to us, not a #2. So we're not going to sign him as an RFA. However if you are interested in trading him for a #3, let us know."

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

No they aren't.

They're guaranteed Wes Welker or a second round pick. How do you know they wouldn't prefer a third round pick to keeping him ?

This dude has it right, but no one is listening to his several posts here. The Fins might simply not want Welker back and they are making FA plans themselves and surely can see some benefit in resolving this matter immediately even if it comes at a lower price than a second rounder.

Just because the Pats may not sign Welker doesn't mean other teams may not try, so Welker's status could remain in limbo for months. The Fins see a team, in this case the Pats, interested in player that has shown an interest in leaving, that could be leaving the team at any time, that could keep the teams plans from moving forward, that could be an unhappy camper come August if retained, etc., and see an opportunity to clear up the situation while weakening a division opponent by definetly getting some kind of compensation from them.

Don't forget that the Fins could be put in a position where another team signs Welker to contract only a slightly out of line and then feel compelled to sign Welker. Picture a team offering a longer contract than the Fins would like to offer but at reasonable price, what then? It's easy to say the Fins would just take the 2nd rounder but how do we know the Fins FO wouldn't end up keeping Welker then regretting the move later because they felt forced to make a decision.

The posters in this thread who insist that the Fins wouldn't agree to a trade for less than a second rounder might want to listen to Belichickfan.

 

[BelichickFan]

The Patriots plan to sign Miami restricted free-agent wide receiver Wes Welker to a seven-year offers sheet worth $38.5 million. Once Welker signs the offer sheet, the Dolphins will have seven days to match it. If they decide not to, they would get the Patriots' second-round draft pick.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

Nope, that;s the NFLNetwork saying it, not the Patiots.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Can't believe there's this much speculation on this one.

I firmly agree with everyone who asks why the dolphins would ever take less than a 2. I wouldn't.

When I read this report, I thought it was very simple. The Patriots and Dolphins are exploring the following question: Is there a player on the Pats, or a combination of player and other picks, that (a) the dolphins value more than they value the Patriot's 2nd round pick, and (b) that the Patriots value less than they value their 2nd round pick? If the answer is yes, it makes more sense to trade than to sign. Different teams have different needs. Each has done its own analysis of the draft and of their needs. If there is a vet that Miami would rather have than the 60th pick, and a player that the Patriots would be willing to give up for the 60th pick, then a trade makes sense.

In a RFA offer sheet circumstance, you are asking the question whether Welker is worth the 2d round pick. In a trade circumstance, you are asking whether there is a player on your that you would trade to get your pick back.

Why does it have to be more complicated than that?

 

[PATRIOTS-80]

RUMOR

Patriots and Dolphins in trade talks over Wes Welker, Pats are offering #28 for Welker and aging Jason Taylor in a bid to further lower the average age of the Pats' linebacking corps. This is a Box News Special Report.

Box you trouble-maker. Do you know how many times I have had to say Welker won't be getting more money than A.D.?

 

[patsgo]

I'll send you $20 if you can show me where the Patiots said they were going to do that.

I DOUBT SHEFTER IS MAKING IT UP HE WAS RIGHT ON ON ALL THE OTHER SIGNINGS

 

[Rob0729]

would you please not type in caps ... its considered equivalent to "internet screaming" and rude.

It was trying to scream, but not intending to be rude. Sorry about that.

 

[PATRIOTS-80]

It was trying to scream, but not intending to be rude. Sorry about that.

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to PatsGo, who is typing every word in his post with CAPS. I sometimes type a sentence in caps, but to do every post and every word in caps can be considered somewhat rude.

 

[BelichickFan]

Can't believe there's this much speculation on this one.

Me neither.

I firmly agree with everyone who asks why the dolphins would ever take less than a 2.

Except I'm on the exact other side from you

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Box you trouble-maker. Do you know how many times I have had to say Welker won't be getting more money than A.D.?

Welker is not getting more money then Anno Domini!?!?!? This is outrageous, how can we compete without a high priced WR?

 

[Clonamery]

RUMOR

Patriots and Dolphins in trade talks over Wes Welker, Pats are offering #28 for Welker and aging Jason Taylor in a bid to further lower the average age of the Pats' linebacking corps. This is a Box News Special Report.

Babu says you are a very bad man.

I don't know what I want resolved sooner, the Welker deal or Borges fanny in the frying pan?

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

Can't believe there's this much speculation on this one.

I firmly agree with everyone who asks why the dolphins would ever take less than a 2. I wouldn't. QUOTE]

If you want to know why read my post.

It's back one page

 

[kas]

The compensation right now is a second rounder. If they trade, it will most likely be more than a second rounder. The Pats will probably have to add a second day pick (hopefully a conditional 2008) to that second round pick in a trade.

If they work out a trade for less than a second round pick, then the Dolphins lose for no reason. If the Pats offer Welker a deal, the Dolphins can do nothing and get a second rounder for him. Why would they make a trade for less that only helps out the Pats and gives them a lesser draft pick.

The only reason we are talking trade is to avoid cap issues with a deal to make it unattractive for the Dolphins to match. That means we have to give up more to get a deal done, not less.

I guess what you're saying is a possibility. I just feel that given:
1)the Pats looking at other options
2)Dolphins supposedly wanting to stockpile picks
it just seems plausible that the Dolphins might sacrifice a little value so that they can get the picks they want. This is of course if they believe that the Pats like Welker, but not 2nd round pick like him.

BTW, I would not be adverse to sending them an extra 5th or so to not match so that we can sign Wes to a more cap friendly deal. We have too many picks as it is for our deep talented roster, might as well use one to save us some cap space - which we'll need with Warren and Wilfork coming up soon for new contracts

 

[dryheat44]

The Dolphins are not going to accept less than the #2 pick.
The Patriots are not going to offer more than the #2 pick.

If there is a trade to be made, it is because the Dolphins would rather have a player than a pick. It's possible a three-way trade is being discussed.

The market for Welker has been established. It is the #60 draft pick.

We're the one's writing up the contract. Why would Belichick make a cap-unfriendly offer sheet that needs to be corrected by sending the Dolphins more/better picks?

I'm sorry if someone has stated such. I read through the first two pages and my head started to hurt.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Babu says you are a very bad man.

I don't know what I want resolved sooner, the Welker deal or Borges fanny in the frying pan?

The Welker deal is exciting, people are going to be pleased when it's all said and done. The Borges deal needs to go another 24 hours so more outlets pick it up, surely ESPN and CNN/SI will be on top of this if it goes that long. We'll know Wrong is righted when London Times reports in.

 

[primetime]

Oakland gets:
Miami's 4th round pick

Miami gets:
New England's 1st round pick (#28 overall)

New England gets:
WR Wes Welker
WR Randy Moss



...figured I'd throw all the rumors together into one big three team trade. I'd think heavily about taking that one for the Patriots.