WR Donald Jones released

[JDot]

Your point is valid only if you believe Welker and Amendola could not be on the field at the same time, if that is what you mean. I would have no problem spending the money at the WR position.

I would have no problem either, but I am a fan.

But also as a fan, I know from following the Pats during the Beli era that was never going to happen...

(For the record, I have been a Pats fans since the 80's. Just so some of you don't think I am talking out of turn, being from TO and all)

 

[Mack Herron]

I would have no problem either, but I am a fan.

But also as a fan, I know from following the Pats during the Beli era that was never going to happen...

(For the record, I have been a Pats fans since the 80's. Just so some of you don't think I am talking out of turn, being from TO and all)

If you are speaking for BB you are obviously right, as he could have had both and declined. Positions being raised here differ from those of BB (its a fan board after all, eh?)

 

[Sciz]

With 20/20 hindsight, I'd treat my top players properly rather than trying to screw them over, yes. Then again, doing it my way would mean having Welker on the team, while being fool enough to do it the Patriots/Sciz way has meant not having Welker on the team and having to make up all kinds of lies and excuses about why that is.

Well then how about this. How much would the Pats have had to offer Welker to get him this season? If they had offered an extra million a year ($14M/2) than the Broncos, it's still a better deal for them that the $36M/4 that was proposed.

I don't know if the Pats did the right thing or not (and I know this will come as a surprise to you, but neither do you), but I think it's pretty safe to say that the Pats could have very easily found a way to keep Welker this offseason while still getting a much better deal than giving him $36M over four years starting last offseason.

 

[ausbacker]

With 20/20 hindsight, I'd treat my top players properly rather than trying to screw them over, yes. Then again, doing it my way would mean having Welker on the team, while being fool enough to do it the Patriots/Sciz way has meant not having Welker on the team and having to make up all kinds of lies and excuses about why that is.

Having an opinion that differs from yours is not foolish Deus. Stop inferring that your way is the right way. In regard to Welker, there was a large portion of Patsfans that didn't want an offer extended to him given the money committed to Hernandez and Gronkowski. In retrospect, it looks like a poor investment on the Patriots' behalf, but it happened and you move on.

Until the team shows signs of real decline, i.e. they fail to make the post-season in consecutive seasons and begin to accumulate losing records, BB , Caserio and Kraft should be given the benefit of the doubt. That doesn't mean I have to agree with every move they make, because I don't.

If Welker moving on (and now Hernandez) allows the Patriots to further improve their D to championship caliber, then I'm all for it. Sometimes you need to give the next generation their chance.

 

[Oswlek]

With 2020 hindsight, I'd treat my top players properly rather than trying to screw them over, yes. Then again, doing it my way would mean having Welker on the team, while being fool enough to do it the Patriots/Sciz way has meant not having Welker on the team and having to make up all kinds of lies and excuses about why that is.

If you want to blame anyone for Wes not being here, blame his agent. When they were talking in 2012, he was asking for more money than NE would have had to lay out in consecutive tags. Seriously, read that again.

There was no reason to extend him under those circumstances. Tag in 2012 and 2013, pay less money and defer all injury risk to the player? What team wouldn't do it that way? And then they clearly overestimated Welker's free agent market.

Had they just been more reasonable in 2011, Wes would still be here. Given a second chance, they still demanded too much. Such is life.

 

[Bhelmet]

They blew it with Welker - both professionally and financially (especially financially) - when they signed Ocho.

 

[JDot]

If you are speaking for BB you are obviously right, as he could have had both and declined. Positions being raised here differ from those of BB (its a fan board after all, eh?)

Lol, I am not speaking for Beli at all. Just saying, the way the Pats allocate dollars under Beli, paying 10 million towards 2 slot receivers was never happening.

If the Pats signed Welker, Danny would not be in a Pats uni that is all. As much as we as fans try to Madden it..

 

[ausbacker]

They blew it with Welker - both professionally and financially (especially financially) - when they signed Ocho.

I'd rather the team tried and failed than not try at all. The only way you'll know is if you try. Ocho, Haynesworth etc. didn't work out but at least the Patriots had the marbles to kick the tyres.

 

[Brady6]

Rapoport: WR Donald Jones released

Your point is valid only if you believe Welker and Amendola could not be on the field at the same time, if that is what you mean. I would have no problem spending the money at the WR position.

I think they could of not only played well together but actually been dynamic. I think they both can play the Z or the Y receiver position. I think their interchangeability would of been an advantage because it of created difficulty for other teams to know which player should be receiving the underneath coverage and which player requires intermediate outside coverage.

I look at it in simple terms as Amendola just being a significant upgrade in the role that Edelman played last season when he was healthy.

 

[Oswlek]

They blew it with Welker - both professionally and financially (especially financially) - when they signed Ocho.

Yes. If you want to give the team grief over decisions made, lambaste their selections of Price and Tate. Criticize the Ocho trade. There is plenty of critique fodder that gets higher priority than extending Hernandez over Welker.

 

[Oswlek]

I'd rather the team tried and failed than not try at all. The only way you'll know is if you try. Ocho, Haynesworth etc. didn't work out but at least the Patriots had the marbles to kick the tyres.

And they have the stones to walk away from a player, which has worked out for them plenty in the past.

 

[cstjohn17]

Hey Jones. Next time Brady says No Starch, he means it. Jerk.

 

[JDot]

I look at it in simple terms as Amendola just being a significant upgrade in the role that Edelman played last season when he was healthy.

Yup, would be great. But would never happen, unless we where playing Madden sadly.

 

[ausbacker]

And they have the stones to walk away from a player, which has worked out for them plenty in the past.

The problem I see is people expect the Patriots to get every decision they make the right one. No matter the degree of preparedness or the level of professionalism, you win some and you lose some. That's what makes it all so interesting.

 

[Brady6]

Rapoport: WR Donald Jones released

Jesus, I am still shocked Ahern was that dumb. Ugh.....

I thinks Hernandez is still shocked at how dumb he is....

I mean not only did he destroy his amazing life but he's easily going to make the worlds dumbest murderers top 10 and is an absolute certainty to top every bleacher report, SI, ESPN list of dumbest athletes. The only one who can really smile about this situation is Ray Carruth because he no longer will hold that #1 slot.

 

[Oswlek]

The problem I see is people expect the Patriots to get every decision they make the right one. No matter the degree of preparedness or the level of professionalism, you win some and you lose some. That's what makes it all so interesting.

Absolutely. Perfection isn't required, just mild superiority.

And that doesn't even factor in that sometimes the right decision can still have consequences.

 

[Deus Irae]

Having an opinion that differs from yours is not foolish Deus. Stop inferring that your way is the right way. In regard to Welker, there was a large portion of Patsfans that didn't want an offer extended to him given the money committed to Hernandez and Gronkowski. In retrospect, it looks like a poor investment on the Patriots' behalf, but it happened and you move on.

Until the team shows signs of real decline, i.e. they fail to make the post-season in consecutive seasons and begin to accumulate losing records, BB , Caserio and Kraft should be given the benefit of the doubt. That doesn't mean I have to agree with every move they make, because I don't.

If Welker moving on (and now Hernandez) allows the Patriots to further improve their D to championship caliber, then I'm all for it. Sometimes you need to give the next generation their chance.

Feel free to put me on ignore if you don't like my responses, but I will continue to note foolish things as foolish things, and foolish posts as foolish posts. And, no, I don't feel the need to give the benefit of the doubt when it comes to screwing over top players who were good for the team. When the Patriots decide to act like scumbags, as they did with Welker, I will continue poining out that they are acting like scumbags.

 

[ausbacker]

Feel free to put me on ignore if you don't like my responses, but I will continue to note foolish things as foolish things, and foolish posts as foolish posts. And, no, I don't feel the need to give the benefit of the doubt when it comes to screwing over top players who were good for the team. When the Patriots decide to act like scumbags, as they did with Welker, I will continue poining out that they are acting like scumbags.

I'm not putting you on ignore because you often raise thought provoking commentary and show a general level of football intelligence that few possess. That said, I often disagree with your position because you fail to see fault in it. We're on a forum Deus. Outside of trolls, ignoring someone with a divergent opinion shows weakness.

Different is not foolish. Foolish is foolish.

 

[Deus Irae]

Well then how about this. How much would the Pats have had to offer Welker to get him this season? If they had offered an extra million a year ($14M/2) than the Broncos, it's still a better deal for them that the $36M/4 that was proposed.

They had plenty of time to do right by Welker. They chose not to. And, yes, it's that easy.

I don't know if the Pats did the right thing or not (and I know this will come as a surprise to you, but neither do you)

But I do know, your potential disagreement with me notwithstanding.

 

[Brady6]

Rapoport: WR Donald Jones released

Yup, would be great. But would never happen, unless we where playing Madden sadly.

I can actually tell you in went great in Madden 13. Both 100+ receptions, 1500+ yards and 15+ touchdowns. Oh and yes I'm one of those guys that going 19-0 with an average score of 75-9 never gets old for

Speaking of Madden I released Hernandez from my roster, edited his name to Dumbest Murderer , changed his number to 25 because that's what he's looking at for time. You would think nobody would sign him but wrong, the freaking Raiders signed him the next week. Not even joking around..