Curran: Marshall Faulk not over being cheated out of Super Bowl victory

[Jackson 2]

Does anyone in the local media defend the Patriots on cameragate or the Rams BS? Sadly the only article I can recall saying it was overblown BS was written by the reporter(forget his name) that initially broke the story.

Michael Holley used to defend BB and the Pats, and pretty vigorously. I think having written a couple of books while inside the organization gave him a realistic view. However, recently I get the sense he's sort of given up and no longer seems to view the whole thing much differently than his peers do. I think a lot of local media people, because of the poor treatment they believe they receive from BB, sort of play dumb on the subject just because they know it reflects poorly on him. Many in the media also know how much it pisses off the fans of the team and those same media people look upon those fans with disdain.

 

[fourhour]

Michael Holley used to defend BB and the Pats, and pretty vigorously. I think having written a couple of books while inside the organization gave him a realistic view. However, recently I get the sense he's sort of given up and no longer seems to view the whole thing much differently than his peers do. I think a lot of local media people, because of the poor treatment they believe they receive from BB, sort of play dumb on the subject just because they know it reflects poorly on him. Many in the media also know how much it pisses off the fans of the team and those same media people look upon those fans with disdain.

So we need to ignore it!

 

[TomPatriot]

Who's Marshall Faulk? Did he serve under Bismarck in some Prussian War?

This thread should expire, mercifully.

 

[Joker]

Who's Marshall Faulk? Did he serve under Bismarck in some Prussian War?

No he didn't...but by the looks off it he's eaten about 50 dozen of these bad boy bismarcks...

 

[Uncle Meat]

I feel bad for Marshall Faulk, it must suck being so dumb, and so misinformed.

The Patriots got busted knowingly breaking the rules to gain some kind of advantage. This is true. That's called cheating. This happened. It's not like the Patriots are victims here...they were warned, yet continued to do it. Why do you think they would do that if they weren't benefiting in some way? Since this is true, people will read into it in a lot of ways that suit their agenda, and that includes Patriots fans.

Patriots fans seem to think that Spygate was nothing at all. Some, in this very thread, want to call some people's sanity for having problems with the cheating that DID occur. It wasn't nothing at all...let's get that straight. It was something. Breaking the rules (cheating) is the worst thing you can do in a game. How much that actually benefited you is almost beside the point.

Here's what John Harbaugh had to say about it recently:

In the end, everything is brought before the light of day,” Harbaugh said. “Even the thing in New England, no matter whether those things had any impact on whether they won their championships or not, they got asterisks now, it’s been stained. So to me, it’s never worth it. You’ve got to figure out ways to use the rules to your advantage.

I guess you all hate John Harbaugh now, and will never claim a shred of responsibility for the Patriots' underhanded activities and how that's affected the PERCEPTION of the team. People outside of New England are not so readily willing to shrug it off as a non-issue.

What Harbaugh said is a common sentiment around the league and the fans. The Patriots are not VICTIMS of this sentiment...they created it themselves. How? By breaking the rules to gain an advantage. Not only was there no damage control done by the Patriots, but Belichick claims ignorance to the rule, which nobody bought. Do you really think that Belichick had no idea about this rule, even after he was warned?

It's a contradiction really...maybe a form of poetic justice...that the Patriots dynasty is perceived unfairly. Why? Because they they cheated, and that was unfair. It isn't going to go away, either.

Go ahead and call me names. I can take it.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Patriots got busted knowingly breaking the rules to gain some kind of advantage. This is true...

This is speculation at best, and completely wrong at worst. As a non-Patriots fan on this board, you should probably just laissez-tomber.

 

[Joker]

exactly what did they cheat at? ..spell it out, moron...

By breaking the rules to gain an advantage. Not only was there no damage control done by the Patriots, but Belichick claims ignorance to the rule, which nobody bought. Do you really think that Belichick had no idea about this rule, even after he was warned?


First you state he broke the rules...then you state he ignored the rule

the whole issue stems from a memo issued in 2006...one that was misinterpreted by BB and staff..and subsequenbtly admitted to....but here YOU are still crying like a two year old girl who lost her ba-ba.

seems to me you have a whole bunch of blind, ignorant hatred built up over the past ten years all aimed at the Pat and their fans...it's not our fault you're a near braindead sub-mongoloidal Barfalo jagoff...

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

exactly what did they cheat at? ..spell it out, moron...

By breaking the rules to gain an advantage. Not only was there no damage control done by the Patriots, but Belichick claims ignorance to the rule, which nobody bought. Do you really think that Belichick had no idea about this rule, even after he was warned?


First you state he broke the rules...then you state he ignored the rule

the whole issue stems from a memo issued in 2006...one that was misinterpreted by BB and staff..and subsequenbtly admitted to....but here YOU are still crying like a two year old girl who lost her ba-ba.

seems to me you have a whole bunch of blind, ignorant hatred built up over the past ten years all aimed at the Pat and their fans...it's not our fault you're a near braindead sub-mongoloidal Barfalo jagoff...

We should quote Robert Kraft on this one.

Kraft: Tell me on a scale of 1 to 100, how much did this help you?
BB: One.
Kraft: Then you're a schmuck for doing it.

The reality is, that BB got slapped with a Man-1 charge for a jay walking ticket.

Now, the funny thing is that everyone's mind is made up until some professional analysis is done without any bias. So, their mind is made up, you're mind is made up and clearly mine is so it's really not worth talking about.

Perhaps after BB is inducted into the HoF, someone will bother with the detailed accounts and the truth will be served.

 

[Uncle Meat]

First you state he broke the rules...then you state he ignored the rule

What's the difference? I don't recall using the word "ignore" either.

but here YOU are still crying like a two year old girl who lost her ba-ba.

seems to me you have a whole bunch of blind, ignorant hatred built up over the past ten years all aimed at the Pat and their fans...it's not our fault you're a near braindead sub-mongoloidal Barfalo jagoff...

It's this type of confrontational over-the-top insulting name-calling that inhibits any rational discussion about the subject with some Pats fans. In fact, it just reinforces any notions people already have about it. Why are you THAT defensive about it? That's a good question, if you think about it.

Do you admit that the Patriots broke the rules? If so, why do you figure they would do it?

 

[Joker]

you do not deserve rational discussion when you do not know what you're talking about and quite obviously set out to troll this thread...your inability to see this obvious FACT can only mean you are of low intelligence and a 100% prime candidate for the ignore function...buh bye...

 

[Uncle Meat]

The reality is, that BB got slapped with a Man-1 charge for a jay walking ticket.

Did you watch the tapes? Whose word are you taking on this?

Honest question.

There are MANY issues here. Is there any so-called evidence that was not presented? Who was in charge of turning over the evidence?

 

[Uncle Meat]

you do not deserve rational discussion when you do not know what you're talking about and quite obviously set out to troll this thread...your inability to see this obvious FACT can only mean you are of low intelligence and a 100% prime candidate for the ignore function...buh bye...

See, that's the thing. I'm not trolling the thread. I'm offering an unpopular viewpoint, but that's about it.

Bury your head in the sand then. The Patriots did NOTHING wrong. Have a good one.

 

[SVN]

Did you watch the tapes? Whose word are you taking on this?

Honest question.

There are MANY issues here. Is there any so-called evidence that was not presented? Who was in charge of turning over the evidence?

A portion of the tapes was played to media during the matt walsh hearing. He had SD cheerleaders in those tapes. It was nothing worth the hype. But the media didnt want to let BB of the hook thats it.
Here is the thing, its not "spygate". They put a camera guy openly on the sideline and taped. If they put the guy 3 rows behind in the stands no one could say anything. And if they didnt want to get caught they woudnt have been. Once they were, they admitted and gave their version of the story. The rulebook states that any video taping equipment may not be used for benefits "during the game". BB pushed the envelope regarding the wordings and got caught.
Bottom line, they did it openly, admitted it when asked and handed over after. Who cares who was "in charge" of handing it over. ? Conspiracy theorists will forever have questions which no one can answer when they lost a game and cant objectively look at what happened in the games like faulk is doing and like the steeler's players have done in the past.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

Did you watch the tapes? Whose word are you taking on this?

Honest question.

There are MANY issues here. Is there any so-called evidence that was not presented? Who was in charge of turning over the evidence?

Ah, the old...prove god exists argument. state something that obviously cannot be substantiated and because you can not say yes, you win?

1. Let's say they had a perfect example of what signals were being used....in so much that it was visual.
2. Would it be possible for other teams to have someone in the stadium as a "fan" do the same things...yes
3. Did teams employee people to do this with binoculars and someone to scribe notes...yes it happened (in the past). also that person could read lips (which is why you see people put a clipboard over their mouths...apparently it's such an ingrained habit or it still happens...or it's a countermeasure, just in case
4. Can any team steal signals in today's environment....yes

Thus, there must be one conclusion

All teams know their signals can get/get stolen and take means to circumventing this...probably even within the game.

Maybe you should take some time understanding the espionage nature of the NFL before asking people impossible questions. s i said before, regarding this topic everyone's mind is made up. You think you have a balanced opinion, fine....doesn't mean it is....i dare you to prove it

 

[Uncle Meat]

Conspiracy theorists will forever have questions which no one can answer when they lost a game and cant objectively look at what happened in the games like faulk is doing and like the steeler's players have done in the past.

Conspiracy theorists?

Here is the thing. The evidence that was presented was destroyed, so that leaves it open any kind of speculation. Do you think that the Patriots offered all of their tapes to the NFL? Do you think that the Commissioner has a vested interest in protecting the integrity of the game, or more to the point, the way that it's perceived? Was there a cover-up of some kind? I mean, if it was discovered that the Super Bowl was fixed, do you really think the Commissioner would readily admit that if he didn't have to? Of course, I'm being hypothetical. I'm not saying that happened, only that there are a whole plethora of open-ended issues.

My whole point is that the Patriots brought this upon themselves...all this talk about "asterisks." Do you disagree? Do you think it was all an honest mistake, and they were partaking in activities that they deemed within the rules and didn't really help their chances all that much? Were the opponents operating under the notion that the Patriots weren't privy to certain information? Do you think that there is absolutely no basis for other fanbases to smell something fishy here? Would you think the same things if it were your most hated team that was involved in this scandal? All hard questions.

It wasn't nothing.

 

[Deus Irae]

See, that's the thing. I'm not trolling the thread. I'm offering an unpopular viewpoint, but that's about it.

Bury your head in the sand then. The Patriots did NOTHING wrong. Have a good one.

What you're doing is being an ass about an issue that is, as you know, still a sensitive one after all this time. You know that's what you're doing. When you get banned, you'll go around proclaiming that the board was the problem, when it's you who started the upcoming downward spiral, and it's you who's chosen to continue it after being warned about doing so. The reality is that, whether you think Belichick was right or wrong, honest or a scumbag liar, the entire kerfuffle came down to the interpretation of a scant handful of words: "a game", in context. Nobody here needs you talking out of your ass about a situation we all know about 1000 times better than do you.

If you think this board hasn't spent sufficient time discussing and debating the issue, I can assure you that it has. Again, laissez tomber.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

The Patriots got busted knowingly breaking the rules to gain some kind of advantage. This is true. That's called cheating. This happened.

What you seem to be incapable of grasping is that these transgressions have NOTHING TO DO with the MADE UP allegations that apparently bother Marshall Faulk, who couldn't care a bit about how the taping of defensive signals may have affected the Rams offense.

The Patriots did not get busted for taping practices.

This did not happen according to the supposed source (Walsh), the paper reporting it (Herald), and there is ZERO evidence to say it happened. Not one source.

This is true. That's called not being guilty of the cheating that you are being charged with.

Keep up, please.

Marshall Faulk is not talking about spygate. You are another ignoramus who cannot separate real charges from fraudulent ones. There are a lot of people who ignore the truth. In fact, the people who actually know that spygate and Herald-gate are different things are a very small minority.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

See, that's the thing. I'm not trolling the thread. I'm offering an unpopular viewpoint, but that's about it.

Bury your head in the sand then. The Patriots did NOTHING wrong. Have a good one.

good, i'm glad faulk's not over it. and as far as stealing signals, so what, even pee wee football teams change signals during the game. this is nonsense.

 

[Uncle Meat]

What you're doing is being an ass about an issue that is, as you know, still a sensitive one after all this time. You know that's what you're doing. When you get banned, you'll go around proclaiming that the board was the problem, when it's you who started the upcoming downward spiral, and it's you who's chosen to continue it after being warned about doing so. The reality is that, whether you think Belichick was right or wrong, honest or a scumbag liar, the entire kerfuffle came down to the interpretation of a scant handful of words: "a game", in context. Nobody here needs you talking out of your ass about a situation we all know about 1000 times better than do you.

If you think this board hasn't spent sufficient time discussing and debating the issue, I can assure you that it has. Again, laissez tomber.

I'm addressing the thread...the topic of the thread.

If there is only one way to respond to it, then why have it in the first place?

So if you think that the Patriots got shafted themselves by Spygate, then that's not a surprise, but I don't see how that's a proven fact. Speculation lingers, and it seems this thread was created just to tell EVERYONE that still hasn't "admitted" that the Patriots were victims of some kind are completely stupid *******s. Seems somebody wanted to talk about it...or was the thread created just for you sensitive fellas to comfort one another?

I don't recall being warned about anything, either. If you don't want to talk about it, then don't. Don't rehash it then. I'm honestly wondering about how Patriots fans think about certain aspects of this. Don't take part if you are offended by that. I didn't attack anybody or anything at all. We're talking about football, not dissing anybody's momma, or anything of the kind.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

We should quote Robert Kraft on this one.

Kraft: Tell me on a scale of 1 to 100, how much did this help you?
BB: One.
Kraft: Then you're a schmuck for doing it.

The reality is, that BB got slapped with a Man-1 charge for a jay walking ticket.

There's your benefit answer Meat.

You, Harbaugh and the rest of them need to realize that filming from the unauthorized middle of the field was not expressly prohibited until Goodells ex-cathedra memo sometime in 2006. Belichick let his disdain for Herr Kommisar influence his judgement thinking he could wordsmith his way around the injunction. Goodell over reacted with the punishment but it was BB's bad judgment and flouting the rule openly that cost the Pats the Wrath of Kahn.