Is Bill Belichick "arrogant"? If so why?

[ATippett56]

The money shouldn't be the issue.

With only 38 viable players under contract for 2013 and a projected salary cap of $121.1 million per team for League Year 2013, it's easier said than done.

New England Patriots Salary Cap 2013

At this point in time, the following players under contract for 2013 are probably considered longshots to make the New England Patriots 53 man roster:

Tennant
Zusevics
Hix
Herman

 

[Jackson 2]

Damn!

All along I thought it was Felger!

LOL! Mazz is just parrotting Felger, as he always does!

 

[Jackson 2]

It's super he takes chances and trying to see if a vet or 2, have a year left in the legs. My point was more that i wouldn't mind if he used 10 mill a year, or 15 it doesn't matter, in the back field on 2 playmakers. They might not be there next year, but when they are, give them a offer they can't refuse.

I don't want him to go draft or FA big time WR's, mainly cause we'r TE based. When BB desided it , applaus for doing it, he also found money to use other wise. Point is, it doesn't matter how strong the offense is, if the team's can go deep 4 tiems and then score.

Yes we have a young defense and backfield in general, but if we look at Brady, we don't have that time. If he wanna give the young defense the time to get experience, he should trade Brady while he's 2-3 picks worthy. Basily we go now or we ain't. The money shouldn't be the issue.

No offense intended, but is English your first language?

 

[reflexblue]

back to the OP

I don't blame him with all the other things he now has in his life, but it is what it is....the details and the patience just arent there.....I also think he's hearing voices/footsteps....I saw him duck when tehre was nobody there

I think there used to be a time when Belichick would prepare harder and in greater detail than any other coach in the league. Now, he may try as hard, but I can't see how he can get as much out of the bums he has around him now (scar and pepper notwithstanding) as he did when he had the best supporting cast in the league.

Brady has taken a lot of hits in his career. As you get older you no longer think your in-destructable as you did when you were a kid of 21. I do think that plays a part in his performance.

 

[mgteich]

So, are we agreed that after March 22, the patriots had enough room to sign an upgrade at corner? After all, we could borrow from 2013 if we wanted to.

Your point seems to be that we were locked out free agency for THREE WHOLE WEEKS because of the burden of Brady's contract. As I indicated, we could have borrowed from 2013 and then ended up putting it back. Surely, the team knew that a deal with Brady would get done.

The team CHOSE to go with a $2M a year Arrington instead.
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BTW, I am not saying that Belichick made the "wrong" decision in not spending the $5M a year for a free agent instead of $2M for Arrington. I ma simply pointing out that the decision was made. The money was available. Perhaps it will be more needed in 2013.

After all, our 2012 secondary at year's end is likely to better than in 2011.
CB: McCourty, Dennard, Dowling
S: Wilson, Chung, Gregory
DB backups: Arrington, Moore
ST: Cole, Ebner

This is NOT the worst secondary in the nfl. Another year of upgrades might "complete" the re-tooling of this unit for 2013.

Tom Brady did not restructure his contract until March 22, 2012; approximately three weeks after the commencement of unrestricted free agency.

Scout.com: Patriots restructure Brady's contract

In March 2012, the New England Patriots were also on the hook for Brian Waters cap hit of $2.25 million with regard to the top 51 calculation which has subsequently come off the books.

Team-by-team cap space as of September 7 | ProFootballTalk

 

[ATippett56]

So, are we agreed that after March 22, the patriots had enough room to sign an upgrade at corner? After all, we could borrow from 2013 if we wanted to.

What was available in unrestricted free agency at the cornerback position at that time (after Brady's contract restructure) that would have made a significant difference?

Your point seems to be that we were locked out free agency for THREE WHOLE WEEKS because of the burden of Brady's contract. As I indicated, we could have borrowed from 2013 and then ended up putting it back. Surely, the team knew that a deal with Brady would get done.

The New England Patriots were not completely locked out of free agency but Belichick spent whatever salary cap dollars available at that time to players such as Fanene, Scott, Gregory, Lloyd, Fells, Gallery, etc.

The team CHOSE to go with a $2M a year Arrington instead.

Hindsight is 20-20. No one expected Arrington let alone Chung to regress in their fourth season in the NFL. No one expected Dowling to be a non-factor to date either at the cornerback position.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Not according to Bill Belichick he wasn't.

Laron Landry was the solution? The Jets defense is worse this year than last year.

Bill Belichick took a minimal risk from a salary cap perspective.

Gallery retired and Waters went AWOL.

Dead money is spent capital, there is no turning back.

I would rather have Laron Landry on one leg then the clowns we got at safety right now

 

[ATippett56]

I would rather have Laron Landry on one leg then the clowns we got at safety right now

Bill Belichick, at that time, may have thought LaRon Landry's achilles tendon was too great a risk even for an one year contract.

 

[ATippett56]

I would rather have Laron Landry on one leg then the clowns we got at safety right now

Yeremiah Bell may have been a better option, even on an one year contract, than Steven Gregory.

 

[IllegalContact]

Brady has taken a lot of hits in his career. As you get older you no longer think your in-destructable as you did when you were a kid of 21. I do think that plays a part in his performance.

absolutely......the problem is that the playcalling combined with brady's lack of checking-off is exposing him even more. you have 1:14 to get into position for an FG and your first throw is a 30 yarder down the sideline to Lloyd.....this was never a call made with an ultimately successful team

 

[IllegalContact]

Bill Belichick, at that time, may have thought LaRon Landry's achilles tendon was too great a risk even for an one year contract.

as opposed to guys who can't play with 2 healthy achilles tendons? the $$ that went to Landry was not all that significant.....a risk worth taking.

 

[stcjones]

BB is without a doubt one of the most arrogant coaches of all time. But imho, in coaching this game, you HAVE to be arrogant to be GREAT. BB for example, does things in coaching that NO ONE would try, or have rarely tried. He will pick up someone in FA that everyone says is "Done" or "Won't work in that system" or has terrible "character issues." And...as we all know in MANY occasions BB has made believers out of the non believers and has made successes out of failures. He will go for it on 4th and 2 on his own 20......WHO THE F' does that???? Many times he has gone for it on 4th....and won. The GREAT coaches are risk takers, trendsetters, mad geniuses, cutting edge strategists, and fish who swim against the current. But here is where BB is different. He has QUIET arrogance. He knows that he is GREAT.....but in the press he is modest as he((.....just like he insists that his players be.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...d/10/956659-belichick-weakness-great-one.html

Ok, here comes a chance for all of you objective fans to call me a blind homer. The fact is that I am critical of the team. You should hear me during the games, win or lose.

But I'm a big picture guy. I'm also one who has been a fan since the 1970 season and went to see the Patriots play at Sheaffer Stadium when Jim Plunkett was a rookie and the hope of the franchise.

I've suffered, as have manyof you though one dismal and embarrassing season after another until 2001. What has driven me to post this thead is a phase that I've been see here over the last few days and contained in the thread shown above.

Much is made of the fear teams have of Belichick's coaching. Perhaps, he need to put his arrogance aside and hire better help. Alternatively, he should spend lots of time in the trenches as secondary coach, training the coaches and the players.

I'm not taking a shot at the OP. But that word being used for BB has become fashionable lately and I just want to put in prospective what that "arrogance" has done for us fans.

Since the 2001 season 137 wins and 39 losses. 11 straight winning seasons. 9 ACFE titles. 5 AFC Championships. 3 NFL Championships.

I hope that BB stays "arrogant" if that are the results that we can expect. I don't know of any team in the salary cap FA period that has 11 straight winning seasons. The Patriots have only 2 players remaining on this team from 2004 SB team, yet we remain a contender and came one dropped pass away from the 4th NFL Championship.

Does this team have flaws? Certainly it does. Show me a team that does not.

But maybe they are right. Maybe BB is arrogant. If the results stay the same, I hope that he stays "arrogant".

 

[ausbacker]

I'd be more inclined to to suggest that groupthink is a center point within the Patriots coaching staff, more specifically the defense. It's either that or having too much faith in a collection of scrubbers than make up the secondary.

That doesn't make my statement true, but I find it hard to believe that someone as smart as Bill Belichick couldn't do a better job of putting out a better secondary.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I think many fans - especially those jealous of the Patriots - often mistake confidence for arrogance.

There's a number of reasons why Belichick is confident, and a good portion of that has to do with Brady, but I think mostly it's Belichick's commitment to hard work and preparation.

Bill Parcells used to talk about great coaches like Bear Bryant and remind people that "he could take his'n and beat yours'n, and then take yours'n and beat his."

I think most current NFL analysts, including Parcells, would agree that Belichick is that type of coach... The season with Matt Cassell at QB confirmed that if there were ever any doubt, and I think Belichick is confident enough to know that, barring the "any given Sunday" phenomenon, they'd be correct about him.

Does that make him arrogant? Maybe to some, but again, I think that's just confidence in himself and his tutelage and trust he places in his team.

Ironically it's Belichick's quiet, reserved demeanor and the fact that he goes out of his way to compliment the opposition that may give some the feeling he's just blowing smoke up their ***** but I think BB's show of respect to other teams is both wise and laudable.

 

[davedsone]

Re: How do we fans endure it?

He is not arrogant. He's going to succeed or fail his way, owes no one anything but to do his job to the best of his ability. This modern coach that blabs to the press all the time and wears his feelings on his sleeve is not a style I care for. BB is a coach, not a cheerleader. If you don't like what he does take his job. Stop the silly "arrogant" stuff. That's for kids with hurt feelings. Be a man.

 

[Ring 6]

Bill Parcells used to talk about great coaches like Bear Bryant and remind people that "he could take his'n and beat yours'n, and then take yours'n and beat his."

That quote is actually Bum Phillips talking about Don Shula.

 

[Ring 6]

absolutely......the problem is that the playcalling combined with brady's lack of checking-off is exposing him even more. you have 1:14 to get into position for an FG and your first throw is a 30 yarder down the sideline to Lloyd.....this was never a call made with an ultimately successful team

This makes no sense.
First of all most play calls involve a deep route as part of the route combination.
No play call is 'throw it deep'. The coverage dictated the throw, and Brady felt it was open.
Secondly, with no time outs left, taking that shot makes a lot of sense. If he hits it they are almost already in FG range, and the clock becomes much less of an issue. To suggest you cannot overcome an incomplete pass and 5 seconds off the clock on first down is ridiculous.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

back to the OP

I used to think it was arrogance on the part of both BB and Brady, but I no longer do....at least not with Brady

I think there used to be a time when Brady worked harder on his game than any other QB, but these days I think he merely works at it as hard as the average. I don't blame him with all the other things he now has in his life, but it is what it is....the details and the patience just arent there.....I also think he's hearing voices/footsteps....I saw him duck when tehre was nobody there

I think there used to be a time when Belichick would prepare harder and in greater detail than any other coach in the league. Now, he may try as hard, but I can't see how he can get as much out of the bums he has around him now (scar and pepper notwithstanding) as he did when he had the best supporting cast in the league.

What a crock. Brady works as hard as he ever did. His life is actually simpler now than it was when he was an eligible batchelor. Then he spent time catching up with friends and family. Now it's just immediate family and football. He's the guy on the plane watching film on the flight home. While many of the youngsters play video games and tweet. And there was somebody there, just like there was Sunday afternoon. Only last week it was one of his own.

As for Belichick, exactly whom do you think groomed guys like RAC and Charlie. He's the only coach Pepper's (who formerly played for him in NY and Cleveland) ever worked for. He grows his own within his system. Or taps those who grew up within it's basis, like Scar did in the Erndardt/Perkins offense Bill wanted to run here. That they mostly all fail miserably at it on departing (with the recent exception of Dimetroff in Atlanta who is his own man moreso than the others and Ozzy who also developed his own system based on what Bill taught him in Cleveland) has little to do with age or experience. His staff has always been extension of himself, groomed to run the system and schemes he chooses. Some move on and others take their place. Those who don't pass his muster move on never to return (like Daboll). Some of you act as if he lucked out in landing the Pioli's and McDaniels and Mangeniuses. They all started out as gophers, mostly on his staff (including working under him when he worked for Parcell's as a DC or Asst. HC...).

Hiring coaches whose names you recognize won't change anything or help the secondary perform better. Changing the way they scout and/or coach technique and either adapting the scheme to the talents of the players or drafting/signing more talented players will. As will locating an on fied brain to run the back end of his defense in game. Something he's been unable to locate (or at least one also qualified to play as a starter in said backfield) since Rodney retired.

 

[Joker]

OK...Belichick is arrogant...check...Brady is falling off the cliff at 35...check...Belichick is reverting to his Cleveland days...check...the Patriots have been a soft team since 2006...check....30% of the board tested for severe ADHD comes out 100% afflicted...check..

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few hot button "truths of the week"....this board is like trying to skate on oiled ice sometimes....

 

[PatsDeb]

I don't think BB is arrogant. I do think he's stubborn and stuck in his ways, but, as you point out, who can really argue with him, with all the success he's had? I wish I knew why his defenses no longer succeed. It seems every year he tries to load up in the secondary and every year (since 2007) we end up with a bunch of jags in the secondary, while other teams end up with studs. McCourty looked like he was going to be a star during his rookie year, and now he's a jag too. Why can't we get a pass rush year after year? Is it talent evaluation? Too many teams going after the same players? Bad assistant coaches? It's very frustrating to be almost at the top, but not quite there for the past 5 years and the clock ticking on Brady. Okay, now I've depressed myself....