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Did you see Sergio try to play defense? Or see Slater try to play defense, or offense?
Edelman should be cut only when Slater is cut first.
(Sergio being cut is a foregone conclusion.)
Did you see Sergio try to play defense? Or see Slater try to play defense, or offense?
Edelman should be cut only when Slater is cut first.
Calling Edelman "Welker Insurance" is like calling a sling shot "Remington M24 insurance".
I give Edelman credit. He tries his best (or appears to) no matter what they ask of him. It's a very admirable quality that many players (and a lot of every day people) do not have enough of. I just think that many on this board are building him up to mythical proportions based on a good game or two 3 years ago in his rookie season.
Whenever someone mentions the possibility of Edelman not making the final roster this year, people go nuts like we're talking about Gronkowski not making the final roster.
Try again. He's the best punt returner the Pats have had in a decade.average punt returner
Last year mid-season I created a thread that Edelman was no longer worth keeping and you should have seen the manure storm that it caused on this board. The outcry was almost unbearable, and I felt like "that guy" who was just arguing against the masses and sounding weaker and weaker. I didn't say he should be cut, but I suggested that he had regressed and "is what he is"- which is an offensive liability and average punt returner. Then when he switched to defense, everyone made sure to tell me again how stupid I was for suggesting that the board's favorite binkie was not a superstar intangible player.
Here is the thread from 9/27/11
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...-overreacting-but-time-pull-plug-edelman.html
You got flamed because your thread was ridiculous, given the context of when it was made, which was after the loss to Buffalo.
And you were saying he should be cut, just in different words:
"I don't think he justifies a roster spot"
Try again. He's the best punt returner the Pats have had in a decade.
He's definitely a very polarizing figure to the people on this board. Not much middle ground when it comes to JE.He's a very, very good at punt returns, but that's the only thing he excels at. Between that and his (positive) football focused attitude, is that enough to make his roster spot a given? Maybe, maybe not, but I don't get the outrage seen on this board when it's just suggested that he may not make the final roster this year.
Brady threw 4 INTs against Buffalo. While maybe I did not properly convey the relationship to Edelman's ineffectiveness, I still think he was a primary reason for those INTs. Hernandez was injured and didn't play, while Branch was injured early on and had zero catches.
Look at the distribution and tell me why Brady threw 4 INTs. Obviously he was targeting Gronk/Welker ALL GAME. This was Ochocinco's third game with the Pats, while this was Edelman's third season. I would have expected him to step up and be a reliable third target in that offense, but he was completely useless despite going against Buffalo's worst defender all game.
With Branch and Hernandez out, and with Brady clearly not trusting Ochocinco, it dawned on me that Edelman has completely regressed as a WR and is never going to be good. He's been practicing with Brady for over two years, and five yards is a joke.
REC YDS AVG TD LG TGTS
W. Welker 16 217 13.6 2 33 20
R. Gronkowski 7 109 15.6 2 29 9
C. Ochocinco 2 28 14.0 0 19 4
D. Woodhead 3 20 6.7 0 13 5
S. Ridley 1 8 8.0 0 8 1
J. Edelman 1 5 5.0 0 5 3
D. Branch 0 0 0.0 0 0 3
Team 30 387 12.9 4 33 45
Your argument is now getting worse, which I wasn't sure was possible. It's one thing to argue that Edelman needs to go this season. It's another to talk about that Buffalo game and point to Edelman. One is a product of a numbers game, the other is a product of insanity.
Brady threw 4 INTs against Buffalo. While maybe I did not properly convey the relationship to Edelman's ineffectiveness, I still think he was a primary reason for those INTs. Hernandez was injured and didn't play, while Branch was injured early on and had zero catches.
Look at the distribution and tell me why Brady threw 4 INTs. Obviously he was targeting Gronk/Welker ALL GAME. This was Ochocinco's third game with the Pats, while this was Edelman's third season. I would have expected him to step up and be a reliable third target in that offense, but he was completely useless despite going against Buffalo's worst defender all game.
With Branch and Hernandez out, and with Brady clearly not trusting Ochocinco, it dawned on me that Edelman has completely regressed as a WR and is never going to be good. He's been practicing with Brady for over two years, and five yards is a joke.
REC YDS AVG TD LG TGTS
W. Welker 16 217 13.6 2 33 20
R. Gronkowski 7 109 15.6 2 29 9
C. Ochocinco 2 28 14.0 0 19 4
D. Woodhead 3 20 6.7 0 13 5
S. Ridley 1 8 8.0 0 8 1
J. Edelman 1 5 5.0 0 5 3
D. Branch 0 0 0.0 0 0 3
Team 30 387 12.9 4 33 45
Now I know why everyone on the board thinks you are argumentative and stubborn.
I'll take argumentative and stubborn over insane any day.
Now I know why everyone on the board thinks you are argumentative and stubborn.
You couldn't have really watched that game and try to blame edleman for 4 Ints.
It's all in the stats. Take out dump offs to running backs and 29 out of 39 passes went to Gronk or Welker. Do you really think an offense can be effective when defenses know they only have to defend two players? Do you happen to remember that the INTs were the result of forcing the ball into double coverage, where they were deflected and picked off?
Again, the reason for that game- Branch and Hernandez were out. Ochocinco was playing in just his third game (not that he is off the hook, as we now know he is not good in our system.) So, was Edelman to blame? No, not exactly. Did the game tell us a lot about Edelman? Yes. It told us that any thoughts of him being a solid contributor on offense should go out the window. Brady obviously would not try to get him the ball and would rather throw high risk passes to solid playmakers than consider JE as an option.
It's all in the stats. Take out dump offs to running backs and 29 out of 39 passes went to Gronk or Welker. Do you really think an offense can be effective when defenses know they only have to defend two players? Do you happen to remember that the INTs were the result of forcing the ball into double coverage, where they were deflected and picked off?
Again, the reason for that game- Branch and Hernandez were out. Ochocinco was playing in just his third game (not that he is off the hook, as we now know he is not good in our system.) So, was Edelman to blame? No, not exactly. Did the game tell us a lot about Edelman? Yes. It told us that any thoughts of him being a solid contributor on offense should go out the window. Brady obviously would not try to get him the ball and would rather throw high risk passes to solid playmakers than consider JE as an option.
The case you haven't made is that this is the fault of the guy who gets open but is not thrown to, rather than Brady for not throwing to the open man.