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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Did ya happen to catch his performance replacing Welker in the play-off loss to Baltimore 2 years ago? He was their leading receiver with 6 catches (targeted 8 times) for 2 TDs. A "complete liability" and "never on the same page as Brady" seems a stretch. He lost a lot of snaps on offense last year due to playing defense out of necessity. I think the idea that he can be a full-time, effective DB is a long shot, at best. I do think he's a very good special teams player on both sides and that he still has potential as a receiver. I think I recognize his limitations. Not sure you recognize his upsides. However, both positions are opinions we're entitled to.Edelman has the grand distinction of being the worst player on offense and the worst player on defense. I am hoping that a cornerback can return punts so we can cut him.
Good guy? Probably. Feisty? You betcha. Anything more than a funny storyline playing the secondary? Absolutely not. He filled in for a position of desperation, and it was admirable that he did so, but he was also the worst defensive back in the NFL.
In terms of offense, I think it's hilarious that people think he is even decent. Edelman has been a complete liability every time he's been with the offense since 2009. While he began his career looking like WW 2.0, he has become a completely unreliable target who is never on the same page as Brady and often leads to to turnovers when thrown the ball. The Patriots needed another option last year after Ochocinco stunk it up, and Edelman had a grand total of 4 receptions all season.
He's a good punt returner, but again, I'd rather have someone who can also add some value on either offense or defense.
I know my opinion is unpopular.
How the heck could BB dump a guy that plays PR. WR, DB and KR all at replacement level or better. It's incomprehensible.
Did ya happen to catch his performance replacing Welker in the play-off loss to Baltimore 2 years ago? He was their leading receiver with 6 catches (targeted 8 times) for 2 TDs. A "complete liability" and "never on the same page as Brady" seems a stretch. He lost a lot of snaps on offense last year due to playing defense out of necessity. I think the idea that he can be a full-time, effective DB is a long shot, at best. I do think he's a very good special teams player on both sides and that he still has potential as a receiver. I think I recognize his limitations. Not sure you recognize his upsides. However, both positions are opinions we're entitled to.
ron brace.........no wait
jermaine cunningham......no wait
chad ochostinko.....no wait
anthony gonzalez.......no wait
ross ventrone......no wait
will allen......no wait
hey.....I'd prefer to discuss who will be the suprise to actually make the team
Too quick on Brace and Allen.
Last year his average was average for punt returners. The year before he performed more admirably.I hope everyone in this thread stops calling Edelman a kickoff returner. He is a terrible kickoff returner; he is a good punt returner because of his quickness, but as a kick returner, he is just as bad as he is on offense and defense.
He's a better tackler than he is a receiver, I'll give him that much. The ONLY thing he has going for him is that he is barely adequate at multiple positions. He is not nor will he ever be capable of one half of what Welker can do as a WR. He is NOT a Welker replacement. Not even close.
If the Patriots were a mechanics tool chest, Edleman would be the equivalent of the duct tape in the back corner in the bottom drawer.
maybe for allen......seems like TC fodder
as for Brace......LOL.....keep holding your breath
In his rookie year he was the only guy who showed up vs. Balto in the playoffs and looked to be more than capable of replacing Welker.
His only issue the last two seasons has been Welker's health which has not allowed him to play his natural position of slot WR.
I'm fairly confident he makes the team, but as another poster astutely pointed out, the Week 1 WR depth chart will be more likely be dictated by health than talent.
I am just curious why a game in 2009 is relevant. In 2009, Adalius Thomas was still a promising player who was just having an "off-year", Joey Galloway was working his way into a playoff dark horse performance, and the board was still debating whether Laurence Maroney was the problem or the line was a problem. Darius Butler showed a lot of promise his rookie year, as did Brandon Tate.
Things have changed a lot.
If Edelman were half as good as he looked in '09, we never would have needed to trade for Branch half a season later.
It's disappointing, I know, but let's face it, if he had skills, he would be used. This isn't about depth. BB would work him into some gameplans when it called for him. He just isn't good. I had fantasies about Welker/Edelman slicing the field like a pair of scissors during Edelman's rookie year, and I thought he was going to be awesome, but he isn't. This happens a lot to players; he had some injuries, and I'm guessing he just isn't strong enough to play WR; guys jam him and beat him up- that's why he isn't Welker.
...Of course that's because there is only room for one slot WR on the field at a time...
I don't have any strong empirical evidence, I'm not one of these guys watching Tivo'd games, but my impression of Edelman is when he's in the slot he looks like an NFL caliber WR. Unfortunately, he rarely has found himself in that role the last two seasons and instead has been used in other ways where he clearly isn't as effective.
Of course that's because there is only room for one slot WR on the field at a time and Welker is the best in the NFL so it's tough luck for Julian, but maybe you're right, maybe he just had some beginners luck in 09 and even if he was playing fulltime in the slot he'd still be below average slot WR if given the opportunity.
I still think he makes the team over The Other Tony Gonzalez, Ocho, or Stallworth (but not Jab or Branch).
I don't recall too many NEP formations where they go 4-5 WR and have two WRs lined up working the slot. I'd think you generally only want one offensive body running routes in the shallow center of the field which is where most of these guys operate, but I'm sure some ex-HS football players can correct me.
Edelman has the grand distinction of being the worst player on offense and the worst player on defense...