Patriots have 'Strong Interest' in LB Schobel but he wants to be paid

[fumbrunner]

Unless providence drops a quality O-lineman into the Patriots laps, Mankins is more important than Schobel by several orders of magnitude.

Wow, that's refreshing from the guy that b*tched and moaned all year about the seymour trade. So much for the importance of DE/OLB play.

 

[signbabybrady]

1.) I know what "several orders of magnitude" implies. Having protection for Brady is far more important than adding a pass rusher to the mix. Without a pass rush last season, the Patriots were still the #5 scoring defense in the NFL. In the absence of a quality guard, the smart play is Mankins over Schobel, every time.

I am not even going to enter the discussion about what is more important OLB or Guard because I would have to decide first but I think the argument is mute because the two situations are so far off that in no way would it have be one or the other.

8 mil or less for one season of Schobel vs 6.5-7 mil or more for several seasons of Mankins.

I could envision a scenario where Mankins gets what he wants and the Patriots pay for Schobel anyway (unlikely but remember it is uncapped) and I could envision a scenario where Schobel gets a one year deal and comes to TC and Mankins holdout continues (could get ugly and turn into a trade, could get resolved long term, or he could just suck it up and play on the tender eventually).

 

[Deus Irae]

Wow, that's refreshing from the guy that b*tched and moaned all year about the seymour trade. So much for the importance of DE/OLB play.

The Seymour situation has absolutely no tie to this discussion.

 

[RayClay]

Of course, Colvin was a replacement for another player, but you choose to ignore that I see.

Colvin is back on the team? Right now he'd be the starter opposite TBC.

 

[BelichickFan]

1.) I know what "several orders of magnitude" implies.

Then you're just being intentionally stupid, sorry but you can't possibly think Mankins is 1,000 times more important than Schobel would be.

2.) If the tight ends are forced to remain in blocking all the time because the guards can't do their job, who's going to catch the passes? Which double teamed receiver is going to be open?

I never said they'd be in all the time but you can scheme around a weak OG, not that we know whether the Mankins replacement would be weak.

I expect Mankins to play this year but we'll play fine without him.

 

[signbabybrady]

The Junior Seau signing from last year says otherwise, as do many other Patriots moves throughout the course of BB's tenure. The reality is that one of BB's strengths is that he is generally able to take both a short-term and near-term view.

Also, since you're tossing out the "That's why you're a fan" line, perhaps you'd like to disclose your position in the Patriots organization?

Wow just wow........How does the Seau move in any way compare to willy nilly spending on Mankins, Brady, and Schobel? FGS was clearly throwing out a silly fan boy cry to the situation and while we would all agree it would be awsome to take care of these three I think he and all on here would understand if one or even 2 of the 3 dont go down.

 

[JackBauer]

Well, this thread is going places.

I don't really care to comment as to whether or not I agree, but when people use orders of magnitude in these types of discussions, it's usually a rhetorical device, not to be interpreted literally.

 

[Deus Irae]

Then you're just being intentionally stupid, sorry but you can't possibly think Mankins is 1,000 times more important than Schobel would be.

You've assigned the number of orders. Rather than three, I might have meant more. Or, just possibly, I could have been using hyperbole to make a point. However, Schobel means nothing if Brady goes down. People here have been denigrating Mankins as a "lowly" guard. How quickly they forget the troubles Patriots QBs have frequently had when the "lowly" guard on the other side of the line has gone down.

I never said they'd be in all the time but you can scheme around a weak OG, not that we know whether the Mankins replacement would be weak.

Short of sending your LT over to help the guard, and leaving the likes of Dwight Freeney up against a tight end, exactly how do you think they'll 'scheme' it? They can't consistently slide Koppen to the left, or opponents will see that and drive up the middle off Koppen's right side. Guard play is unimportant, right up to the point where it's not good enough. Then it becomes just about the most important thing in the game when you're trying to protect an elite QB.

I expect Mankins to play this year but we'll play fine without him.

Connolly and company have shown nothing to give me such confidence. If they've convinced you, we're clearly at an impasse.

 

[Deus Irae]

Wow just wow........How does the Seau move in any way compare to willy nilly spending on Mankins, Brady, and Schobel? FGS was clearly throwing out a silly fan boy cry to the situation and while we would all agree it would be awsome to take care of these three I think he and all on here would understand if one or even 2 of the 3 dont go down.

You should re-read the post I quoted. I was actually praising Belichick, while responding to an erroneous post by Mo.

 

[crowell33]

This years payroll ( without Mankins ) is $120.9 Million, almost exactly $7.0 million LOWER in an uncapped year, than last year. Spend the money, help the pass rush.

 

[IllegalContact]

Didn't schobel say he's only playing for one more year anyway? So why not pay the hired gun in an uncapped year?

He would help, but at this point, the pats need mankins more...he would last the length of his next deal

As for the clowns who don't think mankins will matter much, wake up and stop being BB rump swabbers

 

[Marqui]

This team would be scary with a pass rush. Just pay this guy all he wants.

 

[signbabybrady]

You should re-read the post I quoted. I was actually praising Belichick, while responding to an erroneous post by Mo.

I agree with your point in the post but an totally dumbfounded how Seau is evidence of anything other than BB likes Vets who know what they are doing and likes players who are cheap and will likely out play the contract.

I think you could have pointed to plenty of other moves that would be better examples of how BB will mortgage future for now when reasonable examples would include any trade in which players were aquired for picks.

 

[BelichickFan]

Or, just possibly, I could have been using hyperbole to make a point.

In other words you said something so ridiculous that it wasn't close to accurate and now you're backing off.

Short of sending your LT over to help the guard, and leaving the likes of Dwight Freeney up against a tight end, exactly how do you think they'll 'scheme' it? They can't consistently slide Koppen to the left, or opponents will see that and drive up the middle off Koppen's right side.

They can do a variety of things, sliding Koppen, sliding the tackle, running draws to that side, throwing some quicker passes (with Welker and Hernandez I want this anyway). Mankins would be a loss but they can work around it.

 

[Deus Irae]

I agree with your point in the post but an totally dumbfounded how Seau is evidence of anything other than BB likes Vets who know what they are doing and likes players who are cheap and will likely out play the contract.

I think you could have pointed to plenty of other moves that would be better examples of how BB will mortgage future for now when reasonable examples would include any trade in which players were aquired for picks.

Seau is an example of a player who was brought in as a result of a shortsighted view. It has nothing to do with BB mortgaging anything, and it was mentioned as a praiseworthy thing, not a criticism of BB. I was responding to a glaring mistake in Mo's post, which I had bolded:

For the last time, this team never takes the shortsighted view.

 

[Deus Irae]

In other words you said something so ridiculous that it wasn't close to accurate and now you're backing off.

I'm not backing off of anything. I mentioned "several orders of magnitude" in a discussion about Mankins and Schobel. You first assumed what number "order" I meant, then proceeded to act as if your assumption meant something tangible.

They can do a variety of things, sliding Koppen, sliding the tackle, running draws to that side, throwing some quicker passes (with Welker and Hernandez I want this anyway).

Running draw plays when your guard is getting blown up doesn't protect your QB. That gets your RB on the IR list. I'm not sure that's a net positive.

Mankins would be a loss but they can work around it.

1.) You can apply that theory to every player on the team.

2.) They "got around" not having Schobel on the team last season. It wasn't the pass rush that cost them the playoff game.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

You should re-read the post I quoted. I was actually praising Belichick, while responding to an erroneous post by Mo.

I haven't made an unerroneous post here since the Seymour trade... Odd coincidence though for sure.

There was nothing short sighted about signing Junior Seau on as cheap veteran ILB and defensive leadership depth insurance. Had Bill signed him for serious bucks as the missing link you might have had a short sighted point.

 

[BelichickFan]

I'm not backing off of anything. I mentioned "several orders of magnitude" in a discussion about Mankins and Schobel. You first assumed what number "order" I meant, then proceeded to act as if your assumption meant something tangible.

Look up the definition of "order of magnitude" then get back to me.

And, yes, draws do slow down the pass rush.

 

[patsfan-1982]

he had 10 sacks last year so he can get at lest 6 to 7 million in a uncaped year IMO not worth it he would only have 5 or 6 sacks in this system as a nickel DE... pay mankins, befor we see the nightmare of Dan Connolly at LG

 

[blackglass3]

Defense wins championships. If he wants to come here, get it done.

Mankins can keep to his douchey ways in California.