Reiss: Mankins demands trade, will not sign RFA tender

[Deus Irae]

With a two year hiatus from football being a real possibility, he has no good options as of right now. So no, I wouldn't rule that out.

He's completely effed himself by saying everything he said.

Go to Vegas. Bet everything you own.

 

[spacecrime]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

Apparently, according to Reiss, Mankins is mad because he feels the Pats promised him they would deal with is contract this offseason. He claims his agent approached them about a contract a year ago, and he was told if he played out 2009 they would deal with him. He thinks they broke his word to him. He says their contract offer was for 20% less than Jhari Evans recent extension with the Saints.

Actually, he claimed that Kraft said they would take care of him AFTER the uncapped year. Well, Logan, that is next March. And a $7 mil a year qualifies as taking care of him. How does offering $7 mil a year make Kraft a liar?

This guy (or his agent) is a serious buffoon. He will now hold out until the last six weeks of 2010, which he will play at just under $100,000 a game. Then there will be a lockout and he will make nothing.

Then the Pats will franchise him for another year for what is probably less than $7 mil a year.

Great financial planning, Logan!

 

[JackBauer]

So according to the latest report, the Patriots offered Mankins 7 million per and Mankins turned it down, because he and his agent wanted what Jahri Evans got earlier in the offseason (around 8 million per).

To me, this looks like Mankins has an inflated opinion of his own worth and the Patriots are in the right.

 

[dtbrks]

This doesn't make sense to me.

Assuming he sits out until week he will only earn 400k this year. He stands to loose almost 6.5 million dollars this year so even if his next contract is 5 years 40 million he'll be no better off than signing this one. (all assuming he bonus and base salary equal 7 mill this year since we don't have all of the details)

He'll need to be over 8 mill per year if he wants to make up and surpass the 6.5 million he will loose this year.

And, no security for him.

Whatever, but I don't think it's a smart move. If it were me, I'd take the offer.

 

[RayClay]

Call me cold, but my concern is we get plenty of work for Kaczur, Connolly, Wendell, Ohrnberger, Bussey and Larsen, plus whatever retreads we can pick up for a year.

This is hardly a Deion Branch situation.

I remember when Dante was taking castoffs and never drafted players and, making lineman out of them.

Sorry, this Soap Opera doesn't have the elements. He's overplaying his hand big time.

 

[spacecrime]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

Erik Steinbeck, Steve Hutchinson, Jason Brown, Jahri Evans, and Chris Snee all make more money than they just offered Mankins.

Alan Faneca would have, had he not been cut.



But they didn't offer him that.


Thats not what I was saying. I was saying that escalating guard salaries means the league thinks guards are more important than previously. There's a reason guards are getting so much money.

You should have waited until the contract offered Mankins was announced at $7+ mil a year before going n this rant :bricks:

 

[Marqui]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

Trade him for a 1st. Anything less than that, the Pats lose.

 

[JMarr]

Go to Vegas. Bet everything you own.

I didn't say it was likely, just that his options suck. What's your prediction?

The Pats still work out a long-term deal with him...now?

They trade him and allow him to negotiate with another team?

He plays for the Pats for 1.5

Or he sits

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Yes, Wilfork accepted being paid the average of the top 5 NT's like a man. If Mankins is offered the average of the top 5 guards to sign a one year contract for 2010, I'm sure he will take it like a man also. This is a Samuel situation, not a Wilfork one.

And just BTW, the team decided that Wilfork is a key element to the defense, and one of the highest 2010 priorities for the team. I don't think that team the considers Mankins in the same situation. I certainly don't. I want us to sign Mankins, but personally I think that it was more important to sign Wilfork and Bodden (and extend Brady).

In the end, I don't think that this situation should be a surprise.

No this isn't an Asante situation, Asante was franchise tagged and looking at $7.8M. He wasn't offered anything more beyond a verbal promise not to tag him again. It was a no brainer since they should have traded him under the first tag since he wasn't worth that, either. Mankins ain't getting offered a one year deal at the same top 5 level league sources state he's already been offered in a 5 year deal plus a promise not to franchise. Branch tried to get that salary bump and pre emptive promise not to franchise and Belichick wasn't going to set a ridiculous precedent. Only a knucklehead like Al would include a no tag provision in a contract of an untagged player... and he's been trying to trade that player and his untradeable contract ever since.

I'm not surprised about Mankins. I broached drafting his replacement in April and was met with guffaws... If Bill and this organization have a weakness it's in not getting a realistic read on some of these guys intentions while there is still time to trade their ass and replace them via the current draft.

 

[patriot lifer]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

Trade him for a 1st. Anything less than that, the Pats lose.

I think a 2nd rounder would certainly do. Consider that the team to pick him up would have to want him badly enough to deal with a) giving up a 2nd rounder and b) give him a new contract of hefty proportions. The cost is high for any suitors out there

 

[spacecrime]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

This sucks. Mankins is an outstanding (and young) part of an OL that is old by NFL standards. He should have been an anchor of that line for the next six or seven years. He protects the blind side of the Franchise, who was only sacked 16 times last year. I really don't think this is a guy we want to or can lose.

Question: What's the difference between OG mankins in SB 42, and OGs Comption, Andruzzi, Hochstein and a couple JAGs I don't even remember their names?

Answer: All except Mankins gave Brady enough time to complete passes. Mankins is a good OG, but if he had played better we'd have been 19-0. Did you SEE the Giants defensive line in Brady's face all day.

It wasn't all mankins, they all sucked that day, but let's not pretend that mankins is Conan the Guard, Implacable Defender.

I have no problem with Kaczur as OG and Vollmer at RT. Especially if BB takes that $7 mil a year and gives it to a top OLB, RDE or RB! In fact, I'd prefer it!

 

[Deus Irae]

I didn't say it was likely, just that his options suck. What's your prediction?

The Pats still work out a long-term deal with him...now?

They trade him and allow him to negotiate with another team?

He plays for the Pats for 1.5

Or he sits

I don't have one, other than saying that he's not going to run to sign for $1.5 million any time soon. If the team doesn't either work out a deal or find a trade with someone who'll make Mankins a deal, there's no incentive for him to show up until at least after training camp, because even the $1.5m won't kick in until the regular season.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Mankins cannot be traded because he's not under contract. I don't think he's going to sign a $1.5m contract just to facilitate a trade to make that same $1.5m, do you?

Given the way he's handled himself thus far, it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't realize that... Because otherwise he's quite the hypocrit. You can't demand to be traded by a team that is powerless too...

Just like making the pro bowl isn't a measure of your actual quality or talent. It's a fan driven popularity contest and Brady and Moss catching a league totally off guard had a lot more to do with any OLineman here ever getting sniffed for a pro bowl by a voting public that has no real idea how to measure a big uglies performance beyond how his teams offense performs.

Mankins has been a solid and durable LG. He is not a gamechanger. In fact he's been inconsistent and unfocused ever since that ugly night in Az...

 

[jsull87]

dunno if anyone's said this but nfl.com says the patriots offered him 5 years about 7 mil per season... if he's upset about that i don't know what the guy wants thats good money

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

Trade him for a 1st. Anything less than that, the Pats lose.

How do you figure? 5 years of Pro Bowl-caliber production, recouping a 2nd at the end for your troubles, is a loss... how?

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

...a five-year deal worth approximately $7 million per season and would place the two-time Pro Bowler comfortably among the top five paid guards in the NFL...

How insulting is that? For a clearly top five player to be offer only a top 5 salary. How very insulting!

Mankins is officially a dead-to-me POS.

Screw him.

 

[upstater1]

The Patriots offered this guy way too much. $7 million a year is too much.

 

[Kontradiction]

The Patriots offered this guy way too much. $7 million a year is too much.

No it isn't. That's about what I would have offered him in my estimate a couple of months ago. The problem here isn't what the Pats offered him. It's when they offered. it. They had the opportunity to set the market and didn't. Now they're feeling the effects of the team and player that did.

 

[PatsFan37]

I'm not surprised about Mankins. I broached drafting his replacement in April and was met with guffaws... If Bill and this organization have a weakness it's in not getting a realistic read on some of these guys intentions while there is still time to trade their ass and replace them via the current draft.

Too true. Although I think their intentions are masked because the player has a conversation with the FO which is deliberately vague, but the player combines that conversation with an inflated opinion of himself, fueled by the media and years of adulation in high school and college, and anticipates an enormous payday.

When business reality crunches headlong into his fantasy, he's faced with abandoning that self-image and judging himself honestly. Or going on a rant.

Mankins unbelievably walked out on a Branch with a chainsaw. Could Mankins' mother even foresee such stupidity. Clearly his agent did not.

So if the stories are true on what Mankins was offered (and we really don't know that, do we?) I'll let Belichick off the hook on not seeing this one coming.

 

[juny]

Re: Reiss with bad news on Mankins

I have no problem with Kaczur as OG and Vollmer at RT. Especially if BB takes that $7 mil a year and gives it to a top OLB, RDE or RB! In fact, I'd prefer it!

Except for the fact that whenever the Pats save money, they usually don't spend it all. Remember when Brady took a hometown discount when he signed his big contract only to see that his WRs were Caldwell and Gaffney.