Darrelle Revis calls Randy Moss a slouch

[Mangold74]

The fact of the matter is Pats - Moss are worse than Pats - Welker. That's not even up for debate.

You're delusional if you think Welker is getting 120+ catches without Moss. Every defense gameplans for Moss, no defense gameplans for Welker.

This isn't 2007 anymore. Teams are finding it a lot easier to take Moss out of the game. If he doens't get balls thrown him way he loses interest. If your physical with him he loses interest. I agree that Moss needs to be doubled, but only because of the fact that he can go deep on any play. You can't throw deep if Brady doesn't have 3 or 4 seconds.

Welker is impossible to cover one on one and once he catches the ball he's extremely difficult to tackle.

At this point in their careers, Welker scares much more then Moss.

 

[emoney_33]

This isn't 2007 anymore. Teams are finding it a lot easier to take Moss out of the game. If he doens't get balls thrown him way he loses interest. If your physical with him he loses interest.

:yawn:, this is made up bull. If it were true he wouldn't have gotten 1264 Yards, 13 TDs in a year with NO other wideout, an inconsistent OL, and a QB coming back from a year off with ACL injury.

I agree that Moss needs to be doubled, but only because of the fact that he can go deep on any play. You can't throw deep if Brady doesn't have 3 or 4 seconds.

So all deep threats are less useful than all slot receivers? Because all deep threats take 3 seconds to develop the route.

Welker is impossible to cover one on one and once he catches the ball he's extremely difficult to tackle.

Moss is IMPOSSIBLE to cover one on one, and when you fail to cover Moss it results in quick POINTS. Failing to cover Welker results in a lot shorter yardage. But yea I guess points is not what the game is about

At this point in their careers, Welker scares much more then Moss.

He only scares ignorant and/or biased observers more. He obviously doesn't scare any NFL defense more as evidenced by the fact that Moss continually gets all the focus, double and triple teams.

 

[BadMoFo]

Why you so up in arms defending Moss.

Revis covers Moss, just like he covers all other top receivers that his team faces. If he says he's a slouch, I'm going to believe him a little more than I would believe an observer.

 

[Deus Irae]

Revis with the follow up:

When asked to define “slouch,” Revis answered, “You know what a slouch means.”

Someone who dogs it? Doesn’t give his all every play?

“I don’t need to speak on it anymore. I said what I had to say,” Revis said yesterday, as the Jets prepared for their AFC Championship meeting with the Indianapolis Colts. “That’s what it is. I said it on national TV. Everybody saw it. I’m just speaking the truth, that’s all.”

Darrelle Revis fires final salvo at Randy Moss - BostonHerald.com

Well, I'd say that would not be a retraction or any sort of retreat from his initial position.

 

[emoney_33]

Why you so up in arms defending Moss.

Revis covers Moss, just like he covers all other top receivers that his team faces. If he says he's a slouch, I'm going to believe him a little more than I would believe an observer.

I'm not asking you to believe an "observer". I simply point out facts and the only thing you can rely on is a RIVAL's word. You ignore every fact and everyone's comments. You ignore the stats, you ignore the career, you ignore Champ Bailey, you ignore Brady, Belichick, Faulk etc.. But you take a JETS' player's comments as fact.

 

[Mangold74]

:yawn:, this is made up bull. If it were true he wouldn't have gotten 1264 Yards, 13 TDs in a year with NO other wideout, an inconsistent OL, and a QB coming back from a year off with ACL injury.



So all deep threats are less useful than all slot receivers? Because all deep threats take 3 seconds to develop the route.



Moss is IMPOSSIBLE to cover one on one, and when you fail to cover Moss it results in quick POINTS. Failing to cover Welker results in a lot shorter yardage. But yea I guess points is not what the game is about



He only scares ignorant and/or biased observers more. He obviously doesn't scare any NFL defense more as evidenced by the fact that Moss continually gets all the focus, double and triple teams.

1) Brady threw the ball 565 times this year. That's 35 passes a game. Your deep threat wr better have 1200 yards and 10+ td's with a hall of fame qb throwing 35 passes a game. Especially when you have Welker running around the middle of the field.

2) I never said all deep threats. But you can take a deep threat away from a team by pressuring their qb. You can't take an impossible to cover slot receiver away from a team.

3) Moss can be unstoppable, but Revis shut him down and he showed far to often to give up in games when he didn't get the ball early and often.

4) Ignorant and biased, thats nice. The fact is that Welker will always find a way to get open. The Pats offense this year was based on Brady getting the ball into Welkers hands.

No defensive player can cover Welker when he's running a route from a slot position. Once he gets the ball in his hands it's like having your best RB in space with the ball.

Randy Moss may be more of a home run threat but the Pats offense would have been horrible this season without Welker.

 

[emoney_33]

1) Brady threw the ball 565 times this year. That's 35 passes a game. Your deep threat wr better have 1200 yards and 10+ td's with a hall of fame qb throwing 35 passes a game. Especially when you have Welker running around the middle of the field.

Talk about moronic expectations, let's forget all about double and triple teams too. You aren't proving to know the game of football.

2) I never said all deep threats. But you can take a deep threat away from a team by pressuring their qb. You can't take an impossible to cover slot receiver away from a team.

Oh so Welker is impossible to cover and you can't take him away? So that means no drive should ever have stalled... EVER. But yet we didn't score TDs on every single drive lol.

3) Moss can be unstoppable, but Revis shut him down and he showed far to often to give up in games when he didn't get the ball early and often.

He's never shown to "give up", and you can try to judge his body language on a TV feed all you want. He's been voted captain 2 years in a row by his peers, and peers don't vote quitters as captains. Revis shut him down WITH SAFETY HELP and a good pass rush. DO you think the Jets DC lied when he said that no team even plays strict man-on-man cover 0 more than 4-5 plays a game if that?

4) Ignorant and biased, thats nice. The fact is that Welker will always find a way to get open. The Pats offense this year was based on Brady getting the ball into Welkers hands.

No defensive player can cover Welker when he's running a route from a slot position. Once he gets the ball in his hands it's like having your best RB in space with the ball.

The ignorance is fantastic. Welker doesn't "always" get open or we'd never have a stalled drive.

Randy Moss may be more of a home run threat but the Pats offense would have been horrible this season without Welker.

Yes the offense would have been 'bad' without Welker, but it would have been even worse without Moss. We only had two competent receivers this season, either one missing hurts the team. Welker didn't play in week 2 or week 3. Week 2 was against the #1 pass defense and Revis + safety + no other receiver means tough time for Moss and the offense. Week 3 Moss had 10 catches for 116 yards.... so much for Moss needing Welker

Keep spouting nonsense though

 

[Mangold74]

Talk about moronic expectations, let's forget all about double and triple teams too. You aren't proving to know the game of football.



Oh so Welker is impossible to cover and you can't take him away? So that means no drive should ever have stalled... EVER. But yet we didn't score TDs on every single drive lol.



He's never shown to "give up", and you can try to judge his body language on a TV feed all you want. He's been voted captain 2 years in a row by his peers, and peers don't vote quitters as captains. Revis shut him down WITH SAFETY HELP and a good pass rush. DO you think the Jets DC lied when he said that no team even plays strict man-on-man cover 0 more than 4-5 plays a game if that?

4) Ignorant and biased, thats nice. The fact is that Welker will always find a way to get open. The Pats offense this year was based on Brady getting the ball into Welkers hands.

No defensive player can cover Welker when he's running a route from a slot position. Once he gets the ball in his hands it's like having your best RB in space with the ball.

The ignorance is fantastic. Welker doesn't "always" get open or we'd never have a stalled drive.



Yes the offense would have been 'bad' without Welker, but it would have been even worse without Moss. We only had two competent receivers this season, either one missing hurts the team. Welker didn't play in week 2 or week 3. Week 2 was against the #1 pass defense and Revis + safety + no other receiver means tough time for Moss and the offense. Week 3 Moss had 10 catches for 116 yards.... so much for Moss needing Welker

Keep spouting nonsense though

I love how you just keep saying I don't know anything about football and that I'm spouting nonsense. It all goes back to me saying that Moss doesn't try ALL the time. No matter what I would say after that you would say I know nothing.

You have a hall of fame qb throwing the ball 565 times, you have two real receiving threats. Do you not think that Randy Moss is going to get his 10+ td's in his sleep.

Your offense is based on Brady and his two receivers. If you are physical with Moss and double team him he can be taken out of the game.

You can't take Welker out of the game.

I'm not saying that a slot receiver is more important then a game changing #1 wide receiver. I'm saying that the current Randy Moss is a great deep threat but he's not a great overall #1 receiver.

Randy Moss deserves the hall of fame, and his season in 2007 was insane but to this current Pats team going forward Welker is more important on an every down basis.

 

[emoney_33]

I love how you just keep saying I don't know anything about football and that I'm spouting nonsense. It all goes back to me saying that Moss doesn't try ALL the time. No matter what I would say after that you would say I know nothing.

No receiver in the history of the game goes 100% -ALL- the time. If Moss ran 100% all the time, he wouldn't last half a season. He might not even last into the 4th quarter of games. You expect him to sprint 40 yards full speed every single play? The "not trying" thing is a media-driven load of crap, he's no different than any receiver in the NFL.

You have a hall of fame qb throwing the ball 565 times, you have two real receiving threats. Do you not think that Randy Moss is going to get his 10+ td's in his sleep.

Only because Moss is so GREAT. Not every receiver is getting 10+ TDs, and Moss was the ONLY deep threat, while being doubled/tripled virtually every play of every game.

Your offense is based on Brady and his two receivers. If you are physical with Moss and double team him he can be taken out of the game.

Then why doesn't every team be physical and take him out of the game? Oh right because it's a load of crap and takes a lot more than that to take him out of a game.

You can't take Welker out of the game.

Buf and NO say hello. And Welker does NOT GET DOUBLE teamed. Why can you not understand that Moss' productivity only goes down when he is doubled along with consistent pass rush pressure. Or maybe if he's hurting real bad.

I'm not saying that a slot receiver is more important then a game changing #1 wide receiver. I'm saying that the current Randy Moss is a great deep threat but he's not a great overall #1 receiver.

And you have no idea what you are talking about. He's still a top-3 overall #1 receiver. There's not a single WR in the league playing without a 2nd decent wideout.

Randy Moss deserves the hall of fame, and his season in 2007 was insane but to this current Pats team going forward Welker is more important on an every down basis.

That's false, and in 2010 Moss will be voted captain again, draw double/triple teams all season and put up another top-3 reciever year.

Welker benefits from the pressure taken off of him because of Moss, the fact that you can't understand that boggles the mind.

 

[Sivy]

How sick would it be to have Marshall, Welker, Moss on the same team? Or even Owens or Bolden instead of Marshall. Forget about all the "he is a cancer" crap for a second, just think about the production. It would make 2007 look like 2009.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

How sick would it be to have Marshall, Welker, Moss on the same team? Or even Owens or Bolden instead of Marshall. Forget about all the "he is a cancer" crap for a second, just think about the production. It would make 2007 look like 2009.

Or Boldin Welker and Moss..I would HIGHLY prefer Boldin over Marshall but I doubt we spend that type of cash on a WR

OTOH I don't know why fans are expecting Welker back and his normal self next season?...If he comes back before the first month it will be a complete utter miracle...back after the bye or around week 10 is more likely and there is also the distinct possibility he misses all of 2010 - We could very well need 2 veteran WRs with proven ability to carry the team and no more ******ed F.O. moves with 37 year old washups like Galloway wasting roster spots.

 

[BadMoFo]

I'm not asking you to believe an "observer". I simply point out facts and the only thing you can rely on is a RIVAL's word. You ignore every fact and everyone's comments. You ignore the stats, you ignore the career, you ignore Champ Bailey, you ignore Brady, Belichick, Faulk etc.. But you take a JETS' player's comments as fact.

No, I don't take the fact that a rival said it. I take it as a lot of people have pointed this out, from opponents, former coaches, analysts, etc.

How many other HOF or future HOF receivers do you hear being criticized like this?

I mean, I like Randy Moss and I want him on the team as long as he's effective. I don't think he's a slouch all the time, I just feel that he might lose interest at times when he is not the primary target on a play, and that can be bad because it will tip off a defense on how we run our offense.

 

[RobertWeathers]

We could very well need 2 veteran WRs with proven ability to carry the team and no more ******ed F.O. moves with 37 year old washups like Galloway wasting roster spots.

Just looked it up...Reche Caldwell will be 31 in March. Hes got a lot left in the tank.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Just looked it up...Reche Caldwell will be 31 in March. Hes got a lot left in the tank.

I wanted to put OH-NO! using Caldwell's eyes as punctuating it, but decided to respect and not do it

 

[emoney_33]

No, I don't take the fact that a rival said it. I take it as a lot of people have pointed this out, from opponents, former coaches, analysts, etc.

Some outsiders have "pointed this out". Yet his current teammates and coaches have all debunked it. Yea let's believe the outsiders!

How many other HOF or future HOF receivers do you hear being criticized like this?

This matters, how? Moss disses the media. They constantly try to ask him questions and he ignores them, treating them as if they don't even exist as humans. You think they are going to go out of their way to report accurate/correct things about Moss?

I mean, I like Randy Moss and I want him on the team as long as he's effective. I don't think he's a slouch all the time, I just feel that he might lose interest at times when he is not the primary target on a play, and that can be bad because it will tip off a defense on how we run our offense.

Supposedly he's been doing this for years, yet he still puts up HOF numbers. You can feel like he might lose interest all you want, but all the evidence points to that being a fallacy. The information we get from the TV feed is about 1% at best of the total information.

 

[Mangold74]

No receiver in the history of the game goes 100% -ALL- the time. If Moss ran 100% all the time, he wouldn't last half a season. He might not even last into the 4th quarter of games. You expect him to sprint 40 yards full speed every single play? The "not trying" thing is a media-driven load of crap, he's no different than any receiver in the NFL.



Only because Moss is so GREAT. Not every receiver is getting 10+ TDs, and Moss was the ONLY deep threat, while being doubled/tripled virtually every play of every game.



Then why doesn't every team be physical and take him out of the game? Oh right because it's a load of crap and takes a lot more than that to take him out of a game.



Buf and NO say hello. And Welker does NOT GET DOUBLE teamed. Why can you not understand that Moss' productivity only goes down when he is doubled along with consistent pass rush pressure. Or maybe if he's hurting real bad.



And you have no idea what you are talking about. He's still a top-3 overall #1 receiver. There's not a single WR in the league playing without a 2nd decent wideout.



That's false, and in 2010 Moss will be voted captain again, draw double/triple teams all season and put up another top-3 reciever year.

Welker benefits from the pressure taken off of him because of Moss, the fact that you can't understand that boggles the mind.

And Moss doesn't benefit from the coverage on Welker? They both benefit from having each other.

I'm sorry but top 3 wide receivers don't give up half way through a game when the ball isn't coming to them.

You don't see Larry Fitzgerald going through the motions when Warner throws to Boldin or Doucet or if he's double teamed.

Do you remember in week 2 when Moss tried to go deep on Revis and the ball was slightly overthrown and Revis went and got the ball? Moss just stopped his route. He didn't go after the ball. He should have at least held Revis and taken the penalty.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Moss shut it down for the rest of the regular season after the Indianapolis game with 373 yards in the last 7 games = 53.2 yards per game after November 15th.

When you have your #1 receiver averaging 53.2 yards per game after mid november and little to no talent after Welker then you are not going to have a very high flying offense...Randy went on vacation after the 4th and 2 debacle - When we needed our #1 passing threat, he did not produce - numbers don't lie and no,he was not triple teamed very often,hes had opportunities.

If this means that having multiple receivers like we did years ago and finding the 'open guy' and having higher overall totals in receiving yards per game, then so be it,I would rather have 4 no-name productive WRs then 1 big name #1 who can't change a games outcome too often anymore.

I would rather believe an opposing defensive player on the field actually up against him to what they think of him rather then BS spewing from homers in a sports forum.

 

[BadMoFo]

Some outsiders have "pointed this out". Yet his current teammates and coaches have all debunked it. Yea let's believe the outsiders!



This matters, how? Moss disses the media. They constantly try to ask him questions and he ignores them, treating them as if they don't even exist as humans. You think they are going to go out of their way to report accurate/correct things about Moss?



Supposedly he's been doing this for years, yet he still puts up HOF numbers. You can feel like he might lose interest all you want, but all the evidence points to that being a fallacy. The information we get from the TV feed is about 1% at best of the total information.

That's the best defense you have.

The media don't like him, so they won't report the truth. His current teammates haven't thrown him under the bus so Revis and others are liars. Have the current Patriots ever thrown any of their teammates under the bus?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

That's the best defense you have.

The media don't like him, so they won't report the truth. His current teammates haven't thrown him under the bus so Revis and others are liars. Have the current Patriots ever thrown any of their teammates under the bus?

He may be the most naive member of this forum when it comes to BS from the organization and fellow teammates

If Belichick tried to sell him swampland in NJ he would have bought it

The Patriots almost NEVER tell the truth if it comes to saying something even close to negative about a player on the team,yet some are clueless and can't figure that out by now,you can tell fans that started watching this team 6 years ago from the ones that were fans 30+ years.

Like I said before,I will take the words of not just one but MULTIPLE opposing players who say Moss dogs it when he isn't getting involved in the game.

 

[BadMoFo]

He may be the most naive member of this forum when it comes to BS from the organization and fellow teammates

If Belichick tried to sell him swampland in NJ he would have bought it

The Patriots almost NEVER tell the truth if it comes to saying something even close to negative about a player on the team,yet some are clueless and can't figure that out by now,you can tell fans that started watching this team 6 years ago from the ones that were fans 30+ years.

Like I said before,I will take the words of not just one but MULTIPLE opposing players who say Moss dogs it when he isn't getting involved in the game.

I hear ya.

And like I've said before I like Moss. I like the fact that on any given play, he can make a big play and take it all the way for a TD. But I'm not about to call him the hardest-working member of this team, or criticize an opponent for calling him out on his lack of effort.