Brady: at times ‘I don’t think we fight very hard’

[Satchboogie3]

Erm, O'Brien (and not just him) plays a pretty big part in the dismal record when leading at the half, and he plays a pretty big part in Brady 'taking a nose-dive' in the 2nd half. How do you not realise this?

If you can't get your head around the fact a lot of things have to come together to make an effective quarterback performance and the quarterback isn't in control of lots of those things, you're probably going to have to get used to being patronised.

We aren't saying that O'Brien shouldn't be getting criticism, we are saying that Brady deserves just as much criticism if not more. Brady is the one making the poor throws and poor decisions. Plays are virtually never designed to force the ball to one receiver. Just because a play doesn't work doesn't mean it's a bad play or call, it means the team didn't execute. When Welker and Moss both get double covered BRADY needs to be looking for Aiken or the HB/FB.

Everyone on the team deserves a slice of the "who to blame" pie, and Brady deserves as big a piece as anyone else.

 

[swheeler23]

If he is going to throw the ball there, it better be right into the ground. I'll take a sack or intentional grounding over throwing a game ending INT.

It was a bad throw. Brady was trying to throw the ball away to avoid a sack. A sack would have ended the game because time would have ran out. How much time was left on the clock? 10 seconds?

 

[NickOGS20]

We aren't saying that O'Brien shouldn't be getting criticism, we are saying that Brady deserves just as much criticism if not more. Brady is the one making the poor throws and poor decisions. Plays are virtually never designed to force the ball to one receiver. Just because a play doesn't work doesn't mean it's a bad play or call, it means the team didn't execute. When Welker and Moss both get double covered BRADY needs to be looking for Aiken or the HB/FB.

Everyone on the team deserves a slice of the "who to blame" pie, and Brady deserves as big a piece as anyone else.

And I don't disagree with you - please have a read back of my post and the post(s) I was responding to. I'm responding to patpsycho alone and his assertion that this all falls on Brady. I'm neither putting all the blame on O'Brien or absolving Brady of blame, just pointing out (and you've essentially said the same thing in your last sentence) that the problems the team are having on offense are not the fault of one man.

 

[The Dynasty]

It was a bad throw. Brady was trying to throw the ball away to avoid a sack. A sack would have ended the game because time would have ran out. How much time was left on the clock? 10 seconds?

There was 40 seconds, but he was still obviously trying to avoid a sack since the Pats had no time outs left

 

[RayClay]

nm..................................................

 

[convertedpatsfan]

It was a bad throw. Brady was trying to throw the ball away to avoid a sack. A sack would have ended the game because time would have ran out. How much time was left on the clock? 10 seconds?

35 seconds. But yeah, there wasn't much he could do on the second one. The first one though was definitely forced, and he seems to be forcing the issue a lot more this season.

I don't know if it's a lack of confidence in other receiver options, but it seems that when Welker is taken away, his comfort level drops significantly.

I also haven't seen much of Watson the last few games after he was such a huge factor early on.

 

[Patspsycho]

Erm, O'Brien (and not just him) plays a pretty big part in the dismal record when leading at the half, and he plays a pretty big part in Brady 'taking a nose-dive' in the 2nd half. How do you not realise this?

If you can't get your head around the fact a lot of things have to come together to make an effective quarterback performance and the quarterback isn't in control of lots of those things, you're probably going to have to get used to being patronised.

Please point out to me just how O'Brien contributes to Brady taking a 'nose-dive' in the 2nd half.

'quarterback isn't in control of lots of those things' Are you serious? There is a thing called checkdown.

Please don't tell me you are under the illusion that after 3 rings, 5 AFCC, and almost 10 years in the league, that Brady still 'depends' on something or someone else to move the chains? He has a lot more control than you think, when it comes to running the offense, especially in the last two minutes.

 

[The Dynasty]

35 seconds. But yeah, there wasn't much he could do on the second one. The first one though was definitely forced, and he seems to be forcing the issue a lot more this season.

I don't know if it's a lack of confidence in other receiver options, but it seems that when Welker is taken away, his comfort level drops significantly.

I also haven't seen much of Watson the last few games after he was such a huge factor early on.

I wouldnt say huge factor for Watson, he just had a good game in the opener

 

[stcjones]

Not sure if he was trying to blame any particular player or unit, but the offense has to score points when you are only up 2 with a quarter left to go.

I hope he is referring to him and his offensive teammates....because that is obviously true.....he is proving that with the exception of the Buff game.....He and the Pats O can't come back from behind anymore......they have been laying eggs in the second half for the majority of this year......

 

[Patspsycho]

And I don't disagree with you - please have a read back of my post and the post(s) I was responding to. I'm responding to patpsycho alone and his assertion that this all falls on Brady. I'm neither putting all the blame on O'Brien or absolving Brady of blame, just pointing out (and you've essentially said the same thing in your last sentence) that the problems the team are having on offense are not the fault of one man.

Sorry but you're wrong. Any criticism of the offense has to start and end with the QB which was my point in the first place. O'Brien gives him the options, but he has the freedom to check down.

 

[NickOGS20]

Please point out to me just how O'Brien contributes to Brady taking a 'nose-dive' in the 2nd half.

'quarterback isn't in control of lots of those things' Are you serious? There is a thing called checkdown.

Please don't tell me you are under the illusion that after 3 rings, 5 AFCC, and almost 10 years in the league, that Brady still 'depends' on something or someone else to move the chains? He has a lot more control than you think, when it comes to running the offense, especially in the last two minutes.

Staggered you're struggling to get your head around this. Brady's level of play has dropped off (or nose-dived if you will) in the second half. Some of that is down to him - poor throws, poor decisions, costly turnovers etc. Some of that is down to his teammates - receivers dropping catches or not getting separation, blockers not doing their job. Some of that comes down to the play-calling, quite evidently - why is he throwing so often? why call a deep pass play on 3rd and 6? why the excessive use of the shotgun?

It's approaching 2am here and I value my sleep infinitely more than trying to accomplish what appears to be the internet messageboard equivalent of banging my head against a brick wall. If you want to pin all the blame on Brady then go ahead, live in ignorance.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

I wouldnt say huge factor for Watson, he just had a good game in the opener

Fair enough. I should have included the TE position overall rather than just Watson. Ben had a few other TDs, while Baker had one big TD catch against Atlanta heh. But I haven't seen any of the TEs targeted much over the past few weeks. I really expected they'd play a bigger role this season.

 

[The Dynasty]

Fair enough. I should have included the TE position overall rather than just Watson. Ben had a few other TDs, while Baker had one big TD catch against Atlanta heh. But I haven't seen any of the TEs targeted much over the past few weeks. I really expected they'd play a bigger role this season.

Yes, I expected them to have a bigger role this season as well. I think part of this can be part of the struggles of the OL. Brady has had to had an extra man stay in to block, which has typically been the TEs.

 

[DocE]

I'd hate to be Randy Moss: Brady badly underthrows a fade route, yet Randy Moss didn't "fight for it" in Mo Lewis Rocks world.

Without hearing Brady's words for myself, my interpretation of the "fight" comment is the continued failure to win the battle on 3rd and 4th and short.

 

[The Dynasty]

I'd hate to be Randy Moss: Brady badly underthrows a fade route, yet Randy Moss didn't "fight for it" in Mo Lewis Rocks world.

Without hearing Brady's words for myself, my interpretation of the "fight" comment is the continued failure to win the battle on 3rd and 4th and short.

Not saying he is the only one to blame for the O struggles, but hes the QB. He is the leader of the group, he is definitely part of the reason. He made some poor throws today, missing open guys and obviously the first INT, 2nd one cant really blame him

 

[muzz]

Considering how many draft picks have been used (on draft and trade) on the TE position, I think the position is basically a failure.....
The OL is getting abused, so either the help isn't there, or is useless...if they aren't helping out the OL, why aren't they catching any passes?

The Pats TE position reminds me of the Sox SS position, spend alot of money and time on it, make bad decisions regarding it.....and get NADA from it.

 

[PittPatriot]

Tom Brady and Bill O'Brien have no chemistry. I think it starts and ends there. If I was Belichick ... I would let Tom call his own plays the rest of the year.

Yes, and if we had 8 Timeouts per half, that would be a great strategy. The only modern day player who has shown the ability to call his own plays and do it well, is Manning.

I do not know the game as well as most on this board, but Tom seems to spend a significant amount of time standing in shotgun formation, often waiting until 1sec on the clock or getting the occasional delay of game. Is it because it takes this long to call out the Mike? If it is the QB's job to call out the protection, then is it his fault for allowing teams to get abundant pressure on him, even without blitzing? Our OL is not stellar, but they are all only 1.5years removed from a Pro Bowl visit.

 

[Bella*chick]

Well, I certainly hope Brady isn't only referring to Randy Moss with the "fight" comment because if he thinks Randy Moss is the reason for the team's performance woes, well, than there are bigger problems than anyone realizes.

The whole damn team comes out flat in the second half. It's a team problem.

 

[Patspsycho]

Staggered you're struggling to get your head around this. Brady's level of play has dropped off (or nose-dived if you will) in the second half. Some of that is down to him - poor throws, poor decisions, costly turnovers etc. Some of that is down to his teammates - receivers dropping catches or not getting separation, blockers not doing their job. Some of that comes down to the play-calling, quite evidently - why is he throwing so often? why call a deep pass play on 3rd and 6? why the excessive use of the shotgun?

It's approaching 2am here and I value my sleep infinitely more than trying to accomplish what appears to be the internet messageboard equivalent of banging my head against a brick wall. If you want to pin all the blame on Brady then go ahead, live in ignorance.

You go right ahead to bed. Let the IQ level of this board go back up.

 

[The Dynasty]

Considering how many draft picks have been used (on draft and trade) on the TE position, I think the position is basically a failure.....
The OL is getting abused, so either the help isn't there, or is useless...if they aren't helping out the OL, why aren't they catching any passes?

The Pats TE position reminds me of the Sox SS position, spend alot of money and time on it, make bad decisions regarding it.....and get NADA from it.

What do you expect from the Pats TE's? The TE isnt a dominant position in the NFL anymore, there are very few TEs in the league that are capable of making a huge difference in a game.