Ellis Hobbs: A+ today

[Deus Irae]

CB critcs forget that other teams' QBs actually throw touchdown passes! Yes, they really do. And that means that your team's DBs get victimized. It's inherent to the nature of the sport. Why football fans act as if this is some kind of anomaly is perplexing.

If a DB is constantly torched, e.g. Duane Starks, that's one thing but geting beat even happened to Mike Haynes.

I hear you. A garbage time touchdown in a 47-7 win becomes a focal point to justify attacking a player......

You've just got to love some of the posters here, don't you?

 

[emoney_33]

I hear you. A garbage time touchdown in a 47-7 win becomes a focal point to justify attacking a player......

You've just got to love some of the posters here, don't you?

Especially when their basis for attacks assumes they know where the safety is supposed to be and what the D called was.

I mean Meriweather made what looked to be a LATE fake blitz move and then immediately bolted out to cover Fitzgerald on that play, but I guess it's impossible that he was supposed to be helping and mistimed his fake blitz. We also don't know what Slater was doing and what he was supposed to be doing.

But yea, Hobbs is just terrible and BB is stubborn.

 

[T-ShirtDynasty]

Especially when their basis for attacks assumes they know where the safety is supposed to be and what the D called was.

I mean Meriweather made what looked to be a LATE fake blitz move and then immediately bolted out to cover Fitzgerald on that play, but I guess it's impossible that he was supposed to be helping and mistimed his fake blitz. We also don't know what Slater was doing and what he was supposed to be doing.

Thank you! Watch the replay... it sure looks like Brandon screwed something up there, he didn't drop back until Fitzgerald was long, long gone. And if Hobbs was supposed to cover knowing he had no safety help over the top, he would have dropped back and given more of a cushion before the snap.

But whatever, Hobbs sucks, Belichick is an idiot.

 

[E Belichick Unum]

CB critcs forget that other teams' QBs actually throw touchdown passes! Yes, they really do. And that means that your team's DBs get victimized. It's inherent to the nature of the sport. Why football fans act as if this is some kind of anomaly is perplexing.

If a DB is constantly torched, e.g. Duane Starks, that's one thing but geting beat even happened to Mike Haynes.

There is a reason that the other team's QB constantly picks on Ellis Hobbles, and it isn't because the guy likes to throw to the left side of the field. Ellis does a good job of getting the most out of what he has, he just doesn't have as much as most starting corners in the league.

 

[E Belichick Unum]

Marion was one my all-time favorites. I was a kid at the time but remember him as being a pretty big, physical and intimidating player. After loss of many brain cells over the years, I've remembered him as a Safety. Not too many Corners around like that anymore it seems.

Yeah, your right. It was Lippet, James, Marion and either Fox or the white guy with the blond hair, can't remember his name.

 

[Deus Irae]

There is a reason that the other team's QB constantly picks on Ellis Hobbles, and it isn't because the guy likes to throw to the left side of the field. Ellis does a good job of getting the most out of what he has, he just doesn't have as much as most starting corners in the league.

Do you have the data for times thrown at for all the Patriots cornerbacks? To prove your point, we'll need to see the number of times non-Hobbs outside corners were thrown at compared to the number of times that Hobbs was thrown at.

 

[E Belichick Unum]

Do you have the data for times thrown at for all the Patriots cornerbacks? To prove your point, we'll need to see the number of times non-Hobbs outside corners were thrown at compared to the number of times that Hobbs was thrown at.

Let's look at antecdotal evidence. How many people throw at Champ Bailey? How many people threw at Asante last year? This year? How many people throw at another teams #1 corner as much as people throw at OUR #1 corner? In the ACF East, where would you rank Hobbles in a CB derby? I would rank him at #6 and that is only because Buffalo and the Jets have issues in their backfields.

It isn't that I don't like him, he just isn't that good. He has been put in the position to fail and is doing an OK job, but he is not the kind of corner you win a Super bowl with, as he proved last year. And what I hate the most about him is he makes excuses, constantly limps off of the field only to return like superman a play later. He is tough, he is fast, and he is a very good nickle corner. The fact that the Pats have to rely on him as their #1 shows how highly Belichick thinks of Hobbles, and how badly Belichick failed in his assessment. Sometimes even the great coaches make mistakes.

 

[emoney_33]

Let's look at antecdotal evidence. How many people throw at Champ Bailey? How many people threw at Asante last year? This year? How many people throw at another teams #1 corner as much as people throw at OUR #1 corner? In the ACF East, where would you rank Hobbles in a CB derby? I would rank him at #6 and that is only because Buffalo and the Jets have issues in their backfields.

Would you (or would Brady/Cassel) throw to Moss more often with Champ Bailey in single coverage on him or against a much lesser CB with double team coverage?

Also instead of asking questions of how many people threw at who, why don't you tell us. While your at it, look up the FACT that Hobbs success rate was better than Samuel's last year...

Hobbs is the #1 CB in the AFC EAST... maybe #2.

It isn't that I don't like him, he just isn't that good. He has been put in the position to fail and is doing an OK job, but he is not the kind of corner you win a Super bowl with, as he proved last year. And what I hate the most about him is he makes excuses, constantly limps off of the field only to return like superman a play later. He is tough, he is fast, and he is a very good nickle corner. The fact that the Pats have to rely on him as their #1 shows how highly Belichick thinks of Hobbles, and how badly Belichick failed in his assessment. Sometimes even the great coaches make mistakes.

Yea BB continues to make that mistake each and every year... For you to think you can evaluate Hobbs better than BB is mind-blowing. Could you break down even 1 series of plays and tell me everyone's job on that play and prove that even 1 play (without a shadow of a doubt) was 100% Hobbs fault?

 

[Deus Irae]

Let's look at antecdotal evidence. How many people throw at Champ Bailey? How many people threw at Asante last year? This year? How many people throw at another teams #1 corner as much as people throw at OUR #1 corner? In the ACF East, where would you rank Hobbles in a CB derby? I would rank him at #6 and that is only because Buffalo and the Jets have issues in their backfields.

No, let's not look at "antecdotal evidence", let's look at the actual numbers, since you made an assertion that can be proven correct or incorrect just based upon raw numbers.

It isn't that I don't like him, he just isn't that good. He has been put in the position to fail and is doing an OK job, but he is not the kind of corner you win a Super bowl with, as he proved last year. And what I hate the most about him is he makes excuses, constantly limps off of the field only to return like superman a play later. He is tough, he is fast, and he is a very good nickle corner. The fact that the Pats have to rely on him as their #1 shows how highly Belichick thinks of Hobbles, and how badly Belichick failed in his assessment. Sometimes even the great coaches make mistakes.

The Patriots were in the Super Bowl last year. Samuel dropped what would have been the game clinching interception. Claiming Hobbs isn't the kind of corner you can win a Super Bowl with when the Patriots would have done just that had Samuel not dropped the ball (or if any one of several other things broken the way they normally would have) is unfair, to say the least, particularly given some of the other cornerbacks who've been on Super Bowl winning teams.

 

[Ghost of Ben Dreith]

I think the Pats are lucky to have Hobbs. Is he great and perfect...nope....but he is a good NFL CB and the Pats would not be in the position they are in now, with a shot at the playoffs, without him.

He is a gamer...he plays hard and he plays hurt.

The celebrations should be toned down though.....I'm talking about the white grad guys....not Hobbs.

 

[Frezo]

I hear you. A garbage time touchdown in a 47-7 win becomes a focal point to justify attacking a player......

You've just got to love some of the posters here, don't you?

It's a good thing it wasn't 40-7. They'd really be laying the hate down.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I hear you. A garbage time touchdown in a 47-7 win becomes a focal point to justify attacking a player......

You've just got to love some of the posters here, don't you?

Well...but in a manly man sorta way...

 

[E Belichick Unum]

I just don't get it. Ellis Hobbles is just ann average to below average CB. Even with Deltha O'Neil onn this team he get picked on. And everybody here makes excuses for him. Someday we will have a real #1 and you will all see the difference between Ellis and just about anybody else.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

I just don't get it.

atleast you admit it

sorry, i couldnt resist

 

[emoney_33]

I just don't get it. Ellis Hobbles is just ann average to below average CB. Even with Deltha O'Neil onn this team he get picked on. And everybody here makes excuses for him. Someday we will have a real #1 and you will all see the difference between Ellis and just about anybody else.

Do me a favor, pick out 5 - 10 current "number ones" and watch 10 of their games this year or last year. Tell me how often they are in 1 on 1 coverage and how often they get thrown to.

Also while your at it tell me how often Hobbs has a guy covered and the QB doesn't throw to him. Oh but wait, you won't because you dislike Hobbs, so whatever fits your agenda.

I guess the facts of last year (see Hobbs vs. Samuel success rates) don't exist or Samuel is not good either in your eyes.

For you to suggest BB is so blind as to continue to play an "average to below average" CB virtually every snap, even when hurt, is laughable at best.

 

[Deus Irae]

Do me a favor, pick out 5 - 10 current "number ones" and watch 10 of their games this year or last year. Tell me how often they are in 1 on 1 coverage and how often they get thrown to.

Also while your at it tell me how often Hobbs has a guy covered and the QB doesn't throw to him. Oh but wait, you won't because you dislike Hobbs, so whatever fits your agenda.

I guess the facts of last year (see Hobbs vs. Samuel success rates) don't exist or Samuel is not good either in your eyes.

For you to suggest BB is so blind as to continue to play an "average to below average" CB virtually every snap, even when hurt, is laughable at best.

Does anyone know if Football Outsiders keeps a running tally of their cornerback statistics? If they do, someone with a subscription could just pull some of those rankings to help with this question that last year should have put an end to.

 

[primetime]

The only problem I had with Hobbs on that long TD was that his attempt to tackle Fitzgerald was nothing more than a half-hearted shove, assuming he would go out of bounds just to be nice about it or something. It was kind of like when Wilhite pulled up when he thought Seneca Wallace was going out of bounds, and he ended up gaining an extra 10-15 yards after.

Other than that minor quibble, I thought he played a great game. It may have been different if Boldin was playing, but as it was the Patriots could pretty much put two guys on Fitzgerald the entire game. Aside from that one TD, they did a good job shutting him down.

 

[E Belichick Unum]

Do me a favor, pick out 5 - 10 current "number ones" and watch 10 of their games this year or last year. Tell me how often they are in 1 on 1 coverage and how often they get thrown to.

Also while your at it tell me how often Hobbs has a guy covered and the QB doesn't throw to him. Oh but wait, you won't because you dislike Hobbs, so whatever fits your agenda.

I guess the facts of last year (see Hobbs vs. Samuel success rates) don't exist or Samuel is not good either in your eyes.

For you to suggest BB is so blind as to continue to play an "average to below average" CB virtually every snap, even when hurt, is laughable at best.

If Belichick thinks he is the best on the team, I have to admit I do not see it, but he is the god and I am the fan.

It doesn't matter how many times he gets thrown at, he gets toasted at least every other game. It doesn't matter how many were in one of one, the Pats play 2 deep.

I never said I don't like Ellis, I just don't think he is good enough to be a starting corner on a serious team. I don't need statistics or game tape to see it. You can't get eaten up like Ellis gets game in and game out without realizing something is wrong. He doesn't cover well one on one, he doesn't have the make up speed to force a lot of incompletions in that 2 deep they like to play, he doesn't cover well enough to use his height as an excuse for not making a play, and he does that stupid dance. He is a drama queen on top of it all.

On the other hand, he is a good kick returner.

 

[T-ShirtDynasty]

It doesn't matter how many times he gets thrown at, he gets toasted at least every other game. It doesn't matter how many were in one of one, the Pats play 2 deep.

But they weren't playing 2 deep on the ONE play that everyone is blasting Hobbs for.... Meriweather was up on the line showing a fake blitz and didn't drop back until it was far too late.

 

[JFK]

People make excuses for Belichick because "in Belichick they trust".....(Maroney, Jackson, Watson and maybe James Sanders)...
Bottom line is that Hobbs is somewhere between Average and Good. I think every team need at least a great #1 CB. Asante never got burned the way Hobbs gets burned in NE and people still try to compare both. Hobbs is not in Asante's league..
Hobbs is one heck of a Return man. Hope we can keep him as a return man somehow.