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Tim LaHaye, John Hagee, Hal Lindsey, Chuck Missler, and other pre-tribulation rapture bible scholar "elites" have made you think otherwise...but let's look at the scriptures...
The pre-trib "scholars" mentioned above try to "prove" the rapture with this passage...
2nd Thessalonians 4:15-18(The Coming of the Lord)
15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Revelation 20(talking about right before the 1000 years)
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Revelation 20:11-13(The Judgement at the Great White Throne)
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
These passages ALL but disprove that 2nd The 4:15-18 is talking about "pre-trib rapture" - the PART of the FIRST resurrection is the dead in Christ that comes BEFORE the 1000 Christ-lead 1000 years. The so-called second resurrection will be those in Hell who will be casted into the Lake of Fire after their Judgement at the Great White Throne 1000 years LATER.
So WHEN specifically before the 1000 year reign and the end of the tribulation when the dead in Christ and the alive remaining get "raptured"?
Revelation 7:13-14(White-Robed Multitude)
13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
And when is the "great tribulation"?
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The abomination of the desolation is the 1/2 way point when the Antichrist breaks his 7 year peace covenant, halts all daily sacrifice allowed to the Jews, and sets up the abomination of the desolation on the Temple. So obviously, the great tribulation is sometime AFTER the 1/2 way point.
So having RE-EVALUATING 2nd The 4:15-18, this so-called "rapture" happens at Jesus' SECOND COMING - the dead in Christ rise first, and the alive remaining will be caught up with them in the clouds.
BTW - believe it or not, the entire end times will last ONLY 1335 days...
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Perhaps this "great tribulation" is only 45 days? 1335(Jesus' 2nd Coming) - 1290(AC breaks covenant and sets up the abomination that makes desolate) = 45.
Last edited by DisgruntledTunaFan; 07-23-2009 at 07:29 PM..
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