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    Per your request ... nice mock so far, check out the NE predraft contact thread for some hints while you're at it.

    Zardnok post from the Aldon Smith thread - quoted below
     
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    I'm OK with the draft so far. I would have liked (still would) an OT, since I think Ijalana is a guard, but maybe Watkins can play tackle if necessary.

    Keep an eye on OTs like Carpenter and Brewster later on. C O'Dowd. And of the RBs you've discussed, I think Vereen is the favorite around here. CB Johnny Patrick might be a good call late in the 3rd or in the 4th if other targets are gone, and there's always a burner WR like the kid from Abilene Christian who could be worth the gamble.
     
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    Late round OT prospects whom I see as "fits" for NE's scheme:
    -- James Carpenter (Alabama)
    -- Jah Reid (UCF)
    -- Pete Hendrickson (Tulane)
    -- Lee Ziemba (Auburn)
    -- Jarriel King (South Carolina)
    -- Bryon Stingily (Louisville)
    -- Cameron Bradfield (Grand Valley State)

    As long as we're talking O-line, Mike Person (Montana) and Brandon Fusco (Slippery Rock) are drawing attention and have the mobility NE likes for Guards who spend a lot of time trying to get ahead of RBs and WRs on screen plays.
     
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    Thank you EVER so much!

    For those unfamiliar, we run an "Experts" Mock over on Saints Report each year with board members researching and serving as the GMs for the team. We are restricted to only trading current year draft picks, no players or future picks. This works out great for me serving as the Pats GM, because I get to spend all of the picks that BB stockpiles! We also have a "Non-Experts" mock where pretty much anything goes, but those guys smell funny, so I stay away from them.

    I am by no means an Expert on the Patriots, but I do know how to read and have spent a considerable time researching here on these boards. They are by FAR the best source I have found for Patriots draft information. Reading here has definitely broadened me as a football fan and opened my eyes to some players I had originally overlooked.

    As Box o Rocks quoted, I think I am doing OK so far. I was disappointed to miss out on one of the top-OTs, but I gambled and lost. I was sitting at 17 with 3 OTs staring me in the face, so I figured I could slide back 5 spots and still get one and then take Wilkerson with the 2nd pick. Boom Boom Boom and they were all gone. It did score me an extra 3rd rounder, so that is nice and I did ultimately end up with an OT pick, although Ijilana is projected inside by many folks. I would like to see him get a shot on the outside to see if he can adjust and if not slide him inside.

    I would definitely like to add more of a pure OT at some point, I just see myself running out of picks already. I really wish I had hard-balled and kept my 5th in the trade I did earlier. It would have made a big difference in how I handle the next couple of picks.
     
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    It worked out for the best Z, the projected round one OTs don't carry a round one grade on my best guess at a Pats' board. Watkins actually doesn't carry a round one grade either, but he's a great mauler prospect so he may surprise me - Ijalana's got two negatives, small school (never been a small school OL drafted on BB's watch) and reported lack of "nasty" (though he seemed pretty aggressive against Eastern Washington in the playoffs), but Ijalana is on my board where you took him.

    I agree with Uncle Heatster, Carpenter is the best of the rest ... good hunting.

    BTW, patchick left you feedback in the Aldon Smith thread too.

    :eat3:
     
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    Saints poll will likely come down to a run-off between Tyler Sash, Shane Vareen, and Chris Carter.

    I have an offer to trade back from #87 and pick up two 4th rounders #99 and #121.
     
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    Taking the pick 121 to move back 12 picks. Depending on what is happening on your board, I could see that...
     
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    Top of the fourh FTW!
     
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    My trade deal fell through. The guy was targeting Vareen, but when he went to the Bills board, they talked about how bad he sucked, so the guy rescinded his offer. I laughed and told him about how highly the folks on the Pats board considered Vareen. I guess that is the benefit of researching multiple sources and getting a plethora of information. Same as the folks here are not as high on Castonzo vs other boards where he is the clear cut #1 tackle available.

    Currently there is a Run-Off poll for the Saints pick between Vareen and Sash. Sash appears to be running away with it, so I think my next pick comes down to Vareen or Murray to fill the RB slot. I could totally throw things for a loop and take them BOTH since I have two late third picks. That would mean I target Fusco in the fourth and then hope some semblance of DB falls to the 6th rounder. It would also preclude me getting an OT.

    Any final thoughts before I pull the trigger here?? Likely for Vareen.
     
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    Do you have time to list who has been drafted in the third so far? Or is there a link we can check for ourselves?

    I'm fine with Vareen, I see him as a decent fit for NE with our current RB crew, Murray is an excellent receiver, but everything else leaves me doubting his value that high. I'd be interested to know what other RB prospects you might have been considering later.

    If Colorado CB Jalili Brown hasn't been selected yet, mid-to-late third isn't a huge reach for him as he is technically good at CB and has the willingness against the run and the size to move to FS or play a hybrid between the two as needed.

    What has happened in the OT market since Uncle Heatster talked about Carpenter?

    Pity you couldn't get the trade, the Buffalo lads have an excellent RB and their under-utilized first from last year so I'd see their perspectives to be a bit jaded.

    Looking back over the thread again, if Carpenter and Brown are both still there, select them in that order and I'm very pleased with where this draft is falling.
     
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    I took Vareen with my last pick and am up again once Atlanta makes another selection.

    I tried to add in a link to the draft, but I need 50 posts before I can add links. A quick Google for Saints Report Experts Draft should get you there though, or could just go to Saintsreport dot com and go to SSF (SaintsSuperForum) where we do all NFL discussions, and the Experts draft should be near the top. The first two rounds are currently stickied I believe.

    As for OTs, Carpenter went #77 to Cincy. Pinkston a pick before. Barksdale the pick after followed by Boling to make 4 O-Lineman in a row.

    My next pick should be up soon. Jalil Brown is near the top of my list so far for DBs. Chekwa is up there as well and Buster Skrine is an intriguing guy as well.

    Another sliding injured player is Greg Romeus. Not sure if he would be worth a flier or not considering the way the draft is going.

    Double up with Demarco Murray?

    Thoughts?? I am leaning towards Jalil Brown.
     
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    I don't think that Jalil Brown has the quickness to play corner for the Pats.

    link to draft (1st page):
    http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194527

    Round 1
    Minnesota (from Carolina) (2-14) - BLAINE GABBERT QB, MISSOURI
    Denver (4-12) - Marcell Dareus DT, Alabama
    Buffalo (4-12) - Patrick Peterson CB, LSU
    Cincinnati (4-12) - Cam Newton QB, AU
    Arizona (5-11) - Von Miller LBer, TX A&M
    Cleveland (5-11) - AJ Green WR, UGA
    Houston (from San Francisco) (6-10) - Nick Fairley DT, Auburn
    Tennessee (6-10) - Jake Locker QB, Wash
    Dallas (6-10) - Da'Quan Bowers DE, Clemson
    St. Louis (from Washington) (6-10) - Julio Jones WR, Alabama
    San Francisco (from Houston) (6-10) - Prince Amukamara CB, Nebraka
    Tampa (from Carolina) (from Minnesota) (6-10) - Robert Quinn DE, UNC
    Detroit (6-10) - Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
    Washington (from St. Louis) (7-9) JJ Watt DE Wisconsin
    Miami (7-9) - Mark Ingram RB, Ala
    Jacksonville (8-8) - Cameron Jordan DE Cal
    Indianapolis - from New England - from Oakland (8-8) - Tyron Smith, OT USC
    San Diego (9-7) - Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue
    New York Giants (10-6) - Anthony Castonzo OT Boston College
    Carolina (from Tampa Bay) (10-6) - Aldon Smith DE/OLBer Missouri
    Kansas City (10-6) - Gabe Carimi OT, Wisconsin
    New England - from Indianapolis (10-6) Muhammed Wilkerson DE Temple
    Philadelphia (10-6) Mike Pouncey, OG/C
    New Orleans (11-5) - Cameron Heyward DE, Ohio State Run-Off Poll Link
    Seattle (7-9) Derrick Sherrod OT, MSU
    Baltimore (12-4) - Justin Houston DE/OLBer Georgia
    Atlanta (13-3) - Adrian Clayborn DE, Iowa
    New England (14-2) Brooks Reed OLB Arizona
    Chicago (11-5) Leonard Hankerson WR Miami
    Cincinnati - from New York Jets (11-5) Rahim Moore S, UCLA
    Pittsburgh (12-4) - Jimmy Smith CB, Colorado
    NY Giants - from Green Bay (10-6) - Akeem Ayers LB, UCLA
     
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    I like Romeus, and he would be a good pick. He might be there later. WR is worth a look. We're getting to the point where guys like Edmund Gates or Greg Little are worth the risk. I think Orlando Franklin would make a good RT prospect. Johnny Patrick is one of my favorite corners in the draft, but I like Jalil Brown also.
     
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    1. (33) New England - from Carolina (2-14) Danny Watkins OG Baylor
    2. (34) Buffalo (4-12) - Phil Taylor DT, Baylor
    3. (35) NY Jets - from Cincinnati (4-12)- Martez Wilson LB, Illinois
    4. (36) Denver (4-12)- Stephen Paea DT, Oregon State
    5. (37) Cleveland (5-11) - Kyle Rudolph, TE Notre Dame
    6. (38) Philadelphia - from Arizona (5-11) - Brandon Harris, CB Miami
    7. (39) Carolina (from Tennessee) (6-10) Corey Liuget DT Illinois
    8. (40) Dallas (6-10) Marcus Cannon OT TCU
    9. (41) Seattle (from Washington) (6-10) - Cristian Ponder QB, FSU
    10. (42) New Orleans (from Houston) (6-10) Marvin Austin DT, UNC
    11. (43) Tennessee (from Carolina - from Minnesota) (6-10) Stefen Wisniewski, G/C, Penn State
    12. (44) Detroit (6-10) - Aaron Williams CB/S, Texas
    13. (45) San Francisco (6-10) - Torrey Smith WR, Maryland
    14. (46) Denver - from Miami (7-9) Mikel Leshoure RB Illinois
    15. (47) San Francisco - from St. Louis (7-9) - Andy Dalton QB, TCU
    16. (48) Oakland (8-8) - Ryan Mallett QB, Arkansas
    17. (49) Jacksonville (8-8) - DeAndre McDaniel SS, Clemson
    18. (50) San Diego (9-7) - Sam Acho DE/OLB Texas
    19. (51) Tampa Bay (10-6) - Jabaal Sheard DE, Pittsburg
    20. (52) Green Bay - from New York Giants (10-6) - Jonathan Baldwin WR, Pitt
    21. (53) New England - from Indianapolis (10-6) Benjamin Ijalana OT Villanova
    22. (54) Arizona - from Philadelphia (10-6)- Allen Bailey, DE Miami
    23. (55) Kansas City (10-6) - Kendrick Ellis, DT, Hampton
    24. (56) Houston (From New Orleans) (11-5) Quinton Carter FS, Oklahoma
    25. (57) Washington (from Seattle) (7-9) Colin Kaepernick QB, Nevada
    26. (58) Baltimore (12-4) - Rodney Hudson G FlaSt
    27. (59) Atlanta (13-3) - Titus Young WR, Boise State
    28. (60) Indianapolis - from New England (14-2) - Ryan Williams,RB, Virginia Tech
    29. (61) San Diego - from New York Jets (11-5) - Orlando Franklin OG/OT Miami
    30. (62) Chicago (11-5) - Chris Hairston OT/OG Clemson
    31. (63) Pittsburgh (12-4) - Christian Ballard, DE, Iowa
    32. (64) Green Bay (10-6) - Dontay Moch OLB, Nevada
     
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    1. (65) Dallas (from Carolina) (2-14) - Curtis Brown CB, Texas
    2. (66) Tennessee (from Cincinnati) (4-12) - Bruce Carter OLB, NORTH CAROLINA
    3. (67) Denver (4-12)- Ras-I Dowling CB, Virginia
    4. (68) Washington (from Buffalo) (4-12) - Randall Cobb, WR/PR/RB, Kentucky
    5. (69) St Louis from Arizona (5-11) Drake Nevis DT LSU
    6. (70) Cleveland (5-11) Mason Foster LB UW
    7. (71) Carolina (from Dallas) (6-10)LukeStocker TE, Tennessee
    8. (72) Kansas City- from New Orleans - from Washington (6-10) Jerrel Jernigan WR Troy
    9. (73) Arizona - from St. Louis -from San Francisco - from Houston (6-10)DeMarcus Love, OT/OG, Arkansas
    10. (74) New England - from Minnesota (6-10) Jarvis Jenkins DE/DT Clemson
    11. (75) Detroit (6-10) - Brandon Burton CB, Utah
    12. (76) St. Louis - from San Francisco (6-10)-Jason Pinkston OG/RT, Pittsburgh
    13. (77) Cincinnati (from Tennessee) (6-10)- James Carpenter, OT/G Alabama
    14. (78) Buffalo (from Washington) - from St. Louis (7-9) - Joseph Barksdale OT, LSU
    15. (79) Miami (7-9) - Clint Boling, OL, Georgia
    16. (80) Jacksonville (8-8)Greg Jones LB Michigan State
    17. (81) Oakland (8-8) Davon House CB New Mexico State
    18. (82) San Diego (9-7) Johnny Patrick CB Louisville
    19. (83) Green Bay - from New York Giants (10-6) Denta Williams, FS/SS North Carolina
    20. (84) Carolina - from Tampa Bay (10-6)- Marcus Gilchrist, CB/PR/KR, Clemson
    21. (85) Arizona - from Philadelphia* (10-6)Kelvin Sheppard LB LSU
    22. (86) New Orleans - from Kansas City* (10-6) - Tyler Sash SS Iowa
    23. (87) New England - from Indianapolis* (10-6) - Shane Vareen RB California
    24. (88) Houston - from New Orleans* (11-5) - Jerell Powe, DT, Ole Miss
    25. (89) San Diego - from Seattle* (7-9) - Vincent Brown WR SD St
    26. (90) Baltimore* (12-4) - Rashad "ROC" Carmichael CB, Virginia Tech
    27. (91) Atlanta* (13-3)
    28. (92) New England* (14-2)
    29. (93) Chicago* (11-5)
    30. (94) New York Jets* (11-5)
    31. (95) Pittsburgh* (12-4)
    32. (96) Green Bay* (10-6)
     
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    Jalil's numbers are quick enough for NE, but I'm still thinking of him as more of a hybrid FS/CB prospect, NE has enough quickness inside with Wilhite and Butler. Brown is more of an outside kid with the size to play press.
     
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    Jalil improved his 40-time during his Pro-Day to a 4.46 and backed it up with another 4.46.

    Another name that has come up while researching late round DBs is Chris Prosinski. Any word on him around Pats land? He has been a very productive Safety for Wyoming and busted off some crazy good numbers at his pro-day. CBS Sports has him as one of their top-risers. I think I may take a flier with him with the 6th pick if he is around.

     
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    I don't get the opportunity to watch Wyoming much, or ever, but the kid sounds like the real deal. His athleticism is off the charts, and he has the production to match. Nothing wrong with spending a 6th or 7th on him. At the least he'll be a dynamic ST player and a short yardage safety. At best, we could be looking at John Lynch light.
     
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    I am still on track to grab Brandon Fusco with the 4th rounder unless B-More grabs him. I have Indy's pick ready to go and it is a SS, so I just have to worry about B-More.

    I know BB would never draft as many "small school" O-Lineman as I am, but I love me some small school sleepers. It is part of that whole root for the underdog thing Americans love I guess.

    Pats picks so far-

    #22 Muhammed Wilkerson DE
    #28 Brooks Reed OLB
    #33 Danny Watkins OG
    #53 Benjamin Ijalana OT
    #74 Jarvis Jenkins DE/DT
    #87 Shane Vareen RB
    #92 Jalil Brown CB
     
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    I selected Chris Prosinski with the final pick in this draft giving me a late round "Gem" at FS which will allow BB to trade away Merriwether for a first rounder next year.

    My final draft class for the Patriots did not feature as much value as I expected, but that is perhaps some of my own doing for trading down in the first round and missing out on one of the "premiere" OT. I did score Ijalana in the middle of the 2nd, but it shifted my board down much more than I expected. I hit most of the high points, well maybe not WR, but I think I addressed the other needs and doubled up for value on 5-Tech when Jenkins slipped.

    Hopefully I represented the Patriots well in our annual Saints Report "Experts" mock. So Pats faithful, grade my draft and let me know how I did. Could you live with this draft?? Is it too small school centric??

    #22 Muhammed Wilkerson 5-Tech DE Temple
    #28 Brooks Reed OLB Arizona
    #33 Danny Watkins OG Baylor
    #53 Benjamin Ijalana OT Villanova
    #74 Jarvis Jenkins 5-Tech DE Clemson
    #87 Shane Vareen RB California
    #93 Jalil Brown CB Colorado
    #125 Brandon Fusco C Slippery Rock
    #193 Chris Prosinski FS Wyoming
     
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