I do not see any strengths, I see a player who launched a pass up, and Thomas made a great catch and took it to the house. Other than that, I see a player with terrible accuracy, horrible mechanics, and am not good at reading a defense or making quick decisions. I give him credit he was one player on a team of 53 that went 8-8 and won a wild card playoff game. In the games he won there was won that Tebow had 2 completions, even the wild card game he completed 10 passes, he was not the star that the Broncos hooked their wagon too, he was one player on a team that contributed to its success. You label him a winner as if he single handedly did it and nothing could be further from the truth.
So what you are telling me is the record of the teams Tebow was on do not matter, he still win? He is a member of a team and if the team loses he loses, this is a team sport, you cannot pick and choose what games count against Tebow’s win record and do not. Tebow has a career NFL win percentage of .380. He does not win, and nothing you say can change the numbers in the standings, stop arguing against tangible numbers.
I am not anti Tebow in the least, you are just completely wrong and you are in here defending Tebow when you know that he was a very successful college player who went on to fail at the NFL level (at least to this point). You dislike my posts for recognizing reality, that is annoying, you do not like the reality of a situation so you take issue with me for mentioning. That is like you posting that Hernandez was a very successful college player who went on to become a murderer and me disliking your post because I did not like the fact Hernandez became a murderer.
Why are you inviting other people to handle a conflict you created, I did not start this debate, I said Tebow was a successful college player who went on to fail in the NFL. That is a god forsaken fact CC, there is no debating that, he is out of the league at 26 years old, successful NFL players without injuries are not out of the league at that age
I am trying to think of a reason why I would care about this, stop name dropping, seriously you drop names like nobody I have ever seen it is desperate.
Because I do not care about Tebow, I came in this thread to talk about Michael Sam and I referenced Tebow as a player who had a great college career and went on to do poorly at the NFL level. That is when your Tebow was mentioned on Patsfans alarm went off and you came a running to berate me with you endless excuses, and justifications, oh and of course drop about 15-20 names.
My posts have been about the football player, the fact is you make this emotional and take it personal, that is not my fault, nothing I have said to you has been rude or offensive in the least bit. You do have your own agenda, you support Tebow and you support the 49ers because you live in that area, your posting consists of Montana, Young, Kaepernick, and of course Tebow. A blind squirrel could recognize that you are not here to talk Patriots but here to carry out your own agenda. I do not have a problem with that but do not suggest that I have rude or said anything uncalled for to you, we both know that is untrue, I show you more respect than any other poster on this board. If you cannot have a discussion without becoming overly sensitive or making it personal do not quote my posts or rate them.
I am here to talk about what I feel like talking about at the moment. I am a fan of the Pats as well as the 49ers, but I don't have to prove that to you or anyone else. Just because you may have 8,000 + posts talking about the patriots doesn't make you more of a fan than me or any other pats fan just because you have more posts than them or you talk more about a particular subject matter more etc. There are some Patriot fans who have been season ticket holders for years, but have very few post on the board. Again that doesn't make them less of a fan than you with 8,000+ posts.
I will continue to stay in the forum regardless of whether or not you welcome me as a poster here. There have been many others who have been very supportive and welcoming of me here and have not attached labels to me because of how much or how little I talk about any particular subject matter.
I can support a team in many other ways besides just posting about them. There are a lot of diehard Patriots fans who aren't even members of any forum including this one. Some of the diehard Patriot fans who are members post very little about them and lurk. That dosen't make you with 8,000+ posts more of a fan than them either.
You are not to dictate when, why, or how I decide to post on this forum.
No you have NOT been the most respectful poster towards me on this board as this post and a few others I have quoted clearly shows that. I never originally quoted you in this thread. You started quoting me after you started disagreeing with my posts in this thread on Tebow.
I was very wrong about you and I'll leave it at that. I removed you from my friends/followers list and I will ask you to do the same. I will also ask that you put me on ignore and I will do the same.
Ian, the mods, BradyFtw, Deus,Boogs,QB12,bostonstraggler etc and many other poster know I am one of the most respectful posters here and have welcomed me here.
I brought poster Demosthnes up because he is the best debater when it comes to Tebow.
You say you didn't come into that thread I linked because you don't care about Tebow. Well if you don't care about Tebow why did you quote SEA_PAT in this thread because you disagreed with his post where he mentioned Tebow? If you didn't care you would ignore his post about Tebow.
It is not that you don't care about talking about Tebow because you do. Any chance you get to bash Tebow you do if the moment is right. You most likely didn't come into the thread I linked to debate possibly because Demos was in there and you didn't want to go toe to toe with him. You want to debate with me because you feel I am an easy target for you and you think you can win any debate against me because I am easy going person person who is not argumentative.
I name drop Deus to make a point and that point was that you don't have to be a Tebow supporter to recognize that Tebow is a winner and that all credit normally given to such players is taken away from Tebow simply because he's Tebow.
You BRADY6 STATE :I said Tebow was a successful college player who went on to fail in the NFL. That is a god forsaken fact CC.
That whole sentence was an opinion including the part about him being a sucessful college player. While I agree with the sucessfull college player part that is as much opinion as the second part of your sentence.
http://www.auburn.edu/~murraba/fact.html
Fact: Tebow is currently not in the NFL after only playing for 3 years in the pros.
Opinion: he failed at the NFL level
Everyone has different views and standards as to what makes someone or something a failure.
For instance many people consider Joe Montana to be in the TOP 5 NFL QBs to ever play in the NFL. While I strongly agree with that statement it is still an OPINION.
What's are some fact about Joe Montana: he was born in 1956, he has blond hair,he has four children, he retired from the NFL in 1995.
Opinion: Tebow is one of the nicest guys to ever play in the NFL.
As much as I agree with that statement it is an OPINION
Fact: Tebow was born in the Philippines, he's a christian, he's 6'3 inches tall, he played in the NFL for 3 years.
I don't get how you don't see that stating he failed at the NFL level is opinion. Some people say if you lasted in the NFL for 6 years or more you are a success, some say if you had success and lasted two years in the NFL you are a success. Everyone measures success and failure differently.
Just like some people say if you get anything less than an A in a class you failed. Everyone has different standards as to what is failure and success.
Oh and you mention that if I don't like your posts ignore them and don't rate them. Well if you don't care about Tebow. Why don't you ignore all posts about him and maybe even the posters who mention him. It is a simple solution.
I don't agree with every move the 49ers and the Pats make but I don't spend hours bashing players from those teams. When you support a team you are suppose to be supportive of all their players. For example, I recognize Danny Amendola had his minuses, but I also recognized he has his pluses. So there was no need to go on tirades bashing him. Danny was playing with a severe injury and was doing a heck of a Job helping the Patriots.
In regards to how I post in defense of Colin and Tebow. I have actually also made many posts in defense of other NFL players like Phillip Rivers, Kurt Warner etc. when they were bashed on this very board. However, Colin and Tebow get bashed way more on this board than Phillip Rivers does. That is is why there are alot more posts with me defending Colin and Tebow on this very board. If someone was to make a thread bashing Philip Rivers, Drew Bees, and some of my other favorite NFL players for whatever reason I would be in there defending them as well.
I also posts here and there about the Patriots as a team. However,I mostly like to read other members thoughts on the Patriots team and its players. That doesn't make me less of a fan. I have my Patriot Jerseys for Brady and Tebow, I help support this site with my contribution, and I watch the football games from home rooting for the Patriots and the 49ers.
You ARE the one with the agenda not me. Anyways, I am glad that I got to see how you really are. Now it's time for us both to hit ignore!