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Hi guys. Congrats on your 16-0 regular season—none of us fans will ever know just how difficult that was to pull off. The players, the coaches, the front office—a true team effort.

As you all know, this week is about trolling. And I don't like it—hence this thread. Please leave your trash talking at the door. I know I'm not a Patriot fan so I probably don't deserve the request but I still had to ask.

I love talking football. And your team has perfected the game. So I'm curious as to what you think of my team. We are still young and developing but I like to think we are going to be around for the next few postseasons. What are your thoughts?

I know you don't like many of our players and I'm not interested in that. If you want to talk some football with your opponents let's do it here!
 
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Hi guys. Congrats on your 16-0 season—none of us fans will ever know just how difficult that was to pull off. The players, the coaches, the front office—a true team effort.

As you all know, this week is about trolling. And I don't like it—hence this thread. Please leave your trash talking at the door. I know I'm not a Patriot fan so I probably don't deserve the request but I still had to ask.

I love talking football. And your team has perfected the game. So I'm curious as to what you think of my team. We are still young and developing but I like to think we are going to be around for the next few postseasons. What are your thoughts?

I know you don't like many of our players and I'm not interested in that. If you want to talk some football with your opponents let's do it here!

I'll be totally honest, if you think I'm only out to bash your team, I apologize. I'll just tell you what I honestly see.

I like Cromartie and think he will be a stud. I think you have a good defense, Merriman and Phillips can be lethal. I think Rivers is okay, not bad, not great. LdT is who he is, nothing new to point out.

However, with all the talent on your team I don't know how long of a "big playoff threat" they will be. There are some serious ego and immaturity problems on that team. It does not strike me at all as a "team", but a bunch of individuals. I know Charger fans don't see this, I'm giving you an honest opinion. If, however, they do ever grow up I think they could be lethal.
 
I'll be totally honest, if you think I'm only out to bash your team, I apologize. I'll just tell you what I honestly see.

I like Cromartie and think he will be a stud. I think you have a good defense, Merriman and Phillips can be lethal. I think Rivers is okay, not bad, not great. LdT is who he is, nothing new to point out.

However, with all the talent on your team I don't know how long of a "big playoff threat" they will be. There are some serious ego and immaturity problems on that team. It does not strike me at all as a "team", but a bunch of individuals. I know Charger fans don't see this, I'm giving you an honest opinion. If, however, they do ever grow up I think they could be lethal.

Rivers played perhaps his best game of the season (other than Green Bay) last weekend. So that's a good sign—he seems to able to handle the pressure. But he did have a very inconsistent year.
 
However, with all the talent on your team I don't know how long of a "big playoff threat" they will be. There are some serious ego and immaturity problems on that team. It does not strike me at all as a "team", but a bunch of individuals. I know Charger fans don't see this, I'm giving you an honest opinion. If, however, they do ever grow up I think they could be lethal.

I'll agree with your thoughts, but also would like to add that if the Chargers would acquire some good veteran leadership in the offseason this team could be tough to beat. Maybe someone to act like a spark plug like Reggie White during GB's last SB win or even like Rodney Harrison for the Pats. It does seem like the Chargers are close, but they need that one player to really provide a spark.
 
I haven't seen a lot of Charger games so I don't have a great opinion. But that's never stopped me before

Their winning streak to end the regular season includes no playoff teams. Technically Tenessee was but we all know they really weren't had Indy tried to beat them. Now, you can only beat who you play but, until proven otherwise, it still diminishes the "weren't a different team now" argument.

I watched the Tenessee playoff game and was shocked at how long it took SD to take control. Tenessee was horrible and still led 6-0. To Rivers' credit, once he stopped sucking he was pretty good going downfield.

In the Indy game I wasn't impressed with the pass rush. Playing in perfect conditions they got little pressure in the first half although they got some in the second. There were plenty of yards to be found in the secondary with what Wayne, Gonzalez and Clark (who was often a #3 WR as opposed to a TE).

I haven't seen anything to concern me a whole lot except that they are very opportunistic on defense with the ungodly 30 INT.
 
I think they are insanely tallented. I think their defense is the best in the league. I think their linebackers are fast, explosive, powerful all around great players. I think Cromartie is what I thought he was gonna be two years ago coming out of FSU. I think Eric Weddle deserved consideration for defensive ROY. Their defense is predicated upon negative plays and turnovers. They can be gashed.

I think their offense is very tallented. I think their line is overrated. I think Philip Rivers is a punk and that he sucks as a quarterback. There's about 30 other qb's I would take over him. Tomlinson is Tomlinson, Michael Turner is a good back, I've been a fan of Darren Sproles since Kansas State when he was there with El Roberson. I think Gates is a big reciever who plays tight end. I think Manumaleuna (or however the **** you spell it) is a good blocker. I think your recievers are big, fast guys who leverage size mismatches to get open.

I think the Chargers have no mental toughness, and are immature. If they knew how to win games and kept their mouths shut, I would probably give them more credit. Coaching wise, they don't come close to matching up. I think the Chargers are too emotional and can't sustain a high level of play late in the game. I think they self-destruct. I think they are a highly tallented team that just doesn't have enough leadership to win big games.
 
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I think the Chargers have no mental toughness, and are immature. If they knew how to win games and kept their mouths shut, I would probably give them more credit. Coaching wise, they don't come close to matching up. I think the Chargers are too emotional and can't sustain a high level of play late in the game. I think they self-destruct. I think they are a highly tallented team that just doesn't have enough leadership to win big games.

So the victory over the Colts wasn't a big game and showed no mental toughness to you?
 
So the victory over the Colts wasn't a big game and showed no mental toughness to you?

You asked for objective takes.


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I haven't seen a lot of Charger games so I don't have a great opinion. But that's never stopped me before

Their winning streak to end the regular season includes no playoff teams. Technically Tenessee was but we all know they really weren't had Indy tried to beat them. Now, you can only beat who you play but, until proven otherwise, it still diminishes the "weren't a different team now" argument.

It's definitely a different team. Not because of who we played though.
 
When the Pats have the ball
The Chargers should learn from last week that taking away Moss and the deep stuff (using the nickle/dime and both safeties to do that) is a recipe for slow death. The Bolts need to force turnovers and you do that with pressure, both in coverage and on the QB.

Rushing off the edges isn't enough. Brady is a master at sliding up in the pocket to avoid edge rushers. You need pressure up the middle and it will likely take a blitzing LB or S to bring it.

Bringing 5-6 in a blitz package puts your coverage guys on an island...but only for 2-3 seconds. Pats' receivers may be left open but you are counting on rushed/inaccurate throws, tipped balls, etc. You will give up some big plays, but you are counting on producing some as well.

Better to live fast and die with your hair on fire than slowing fade away into oblivion...which is a certainty if you rush 4 and play 2 deep safeties.

When the Bolts have the ball
This is difficult to discuss since I don't know the extent of the injuries to Rivers and LdT. I'm from Raleigh so I've seen plenty of Rivers to know that doesn't react well to big guys (Seymour 6'6" and Warren 6'5") in his field of vision. He takes his eyes off his receivers downfield and his sidearm slinging gets even more pronounced. He is reluctant to take a sack and can get himself in trouble with forced throws.

If he is close to 100%, you roll him out, clear his field of vision and give him easy throws (RB dumpoff, short crosses, comeback routes, etc.) to keep him in a positive rhythm. If he can't move effectively, you just have to pray that the OL has the game of their lives and keeps everyone out of his face.

If LdT is close to 100%, you need to get him wide with a FB in front of him. Have the tackles kick out the contain LB (McNeil is great at this) and the FB seal the pursuit LB inside. This gives LdT some space to get 4+ yards and a chance (overpursuit by backside LB or S) to cutback for a big gain.

If you have to count on Turner more, the picture is not great. He is a north-south runner and will have limited consistent success against the Pats 3-4. Think of Jacobs in the Giants game...couple of good efforts and reasonable yards, but the game will fall back on your QB to win it.

So bottom line...blitz like madmen on defense and hope Rivers/LdT are healthy enough to get outside the Pats DL.
 
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It's definitely a different team. Not because of who we played though.
Well we'll find out. It's easy to look like a different team playing against junk. Hopefully you'll find out the hard way, not me
 
You asked for objective takes.

And you gave one. I was just trying to clarify your comments, which I generally agreed with. I just thought the victory in Indy was a clear demonstration of those things you said we lacked, even though it was only one game.
 
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Well we'll find out. It's easy to look like a different team playing against junk. Hopefully you'll find out the hard way, not me

A loss at New England this weekend isn't going to change my mind. We'd have to play a perfect game to win and with all the injuries it's going to be nearly impossible to do that.
 
My objective take...

 
If the Chargers can generate pressure on Brady without selling out on the blitz, we are in for a long day.
On defense if we continue to overplay the run and NOT play assignment smart football, the offense will need to put up 40 points if we have a hope of winning.

Even as good a year as Cromartie has had, if the Chargers leave him man on man alone with Moss, Moss could have 4 TD's by the end of the first half.
Brady did an excellent job of taking what the Jaguars gave him Saturday, let's hope he can continue that trend on Sunday an dnot force the ball in to Moss. A win is more important than getting Moss some touches at this point of the season.
Maroney is running like a man possessed. Can he continue against a tough and nasty defensive front 7 for the Chargers.
 
So the victory over the Colts wasn't a big game and showed no mental toughness to you?

Honestly, I'll give you credit for overcoming the refs, we know how hard that is. I can tell you I walked away from watching that game smiling as did everyone I was with. We know this Colts team much better than you. That team was not the same team we are used to.

They played flat and didn't look like they cared. I've seen them throw out some stinkers, this was one of their worst. It wasn't the usual Peyton choke, it was the whole team.

If Tom puts up 400 + yards on you like Peyton did, you are in for a very, very long day.
 
Well, they definitely deserve to be in the AFC Championship game. They beat the Colts AND the Refs this past week with their backup RB and QB for part of the game.

I have to take my hat off to that effort. While some of it might have been a poor performance by Indy, I am very impressed with SD for winning in the manner that they did (injuries and questionable officiating).

Having said all that, I wouldn't be overly optimistic if I were a SD fan. First, the Chargers only beat 2 respectable teams all year, Indy and Ten. Granted, they beat both of them twice. They lost to Min, NE, GB, and JAX.

Another thing that would bother me is the injuries. I know that NE has let teams pass on them for a good part of each game, but it will be hard to match NE's scoring with 3 key injuries on offense. It would have to be a stellar performance by the defense of SD to hold NE under 28 pts and I don't think SD can put up more than that on our defense even with our less than stellar performances lately.

I'm not say they can't win, but I am 90% sure they won't. If your team was 100% healthy, you might at least put some scare into me.
 
I think the Chargers have the best D in the NFL. They create turnovers vs the pass but may be a bit vulnerable vs the run with a hobbled J. Williams, and playing the nickel most of the game. I see Maroney having a good day running the shotgun draw and the screen.

The Chargers O-line is impressive, but won't be able to maul the Pats like they did the absurdly overrated Colt D-line. Next Sunday's matchup will be a stalemate, or even a slight win for the Pats due to the rest of the bye week and a less physical game last week. So if Rivers plays I expect him to have much more trouble in the pocket than he did vs the Colts. Combine that with the frigid temperatures and his less than rocket arm, and IMO Rivers will be less efficient, if he plays, than last week. Volek, with his mobility and better arm, presents a bigger risk/reward. He is more likely to blow up and throw multiple picks, but he could pull an AJ Feeley and have the game of his life. His history in Tennessee suggests there is a possibility of the latter. His deep ball is impressive.

The Pats D is vulnerable in the middle since A. Thomas was moved to OLB. The other ILBs do not have the athleticism to cover and make game changing plays, and give up too much space out of fear of surrendering the big play. If Gates is half speed that could mitigate this flaw a bit, but if V. Jackson is willing to go high over the middle there will be space to exploit, provided Hardwick can allow the Qb to step up and deliver the ball vs Wilfork.

The Pats are very familiar with C. Chambers' game, having played him for many years. Nothing he does will surprise them, and i do believe he and Jackson will be good for a few explosive plays. However, Chambers has a history of shaky hands and frigid weather conditions won't help that longstanding problem. I believe the play of Vincent Jackson is THE KEY to Chargers hopes. if he continues to play like a probowler the Chargers can stay in this game throughout. If he turtles in the weather and the bright lights the Chargers have no chance.

The Chargers D will play with great violence and passion. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they force a fumble and get a pick in this game. I don't believe the Pats O will play a flawlessly vs a D with this degree of physical talent.

Turner will have a solid game, and even make one or two flashy plays to give his team scoring opportunities. The Bolts will exploit the Seymour/Thomas/Seau side of the field vs the run, just as they did the Seymour/Banta Cain/Bruschi side last season. I don't see Tomlinson being his normal dynamic self, and Turner may be their better option.

Moss will burn the Chargers at least once over the top. The Chargers safeties are inadequate, and, assuming Cromartie is assigned to Moss (which I would be surprised at since he plays the opposite side of the field), he is better at this stage of his career as a playmaker than a cover guy. I could see him being schooled for most of the game, but coming through with an INT anyway, though I wonder how well an FSU kid in his 2nd year will adjust to 10 degree weather. Those sleek atheltic moves may get sluggish.

This will be a game decided in the red zone, where the Chargers have become very solid on both sides of the ball. The Chargers' athletic arrogance, assuming they can match up with Moss, will give #81 room to work and he will catch a TD. Maroney will have a very solid game in the 80 to 90 yard range, though I do see his first fumble of the year. Rivers/Volek will make some plays but also some mistakes. Tomlinson will not be a major factor. The Burner will run well, for over 70 yards with a good average per carry. Chambers will make a 20+ catch, but drop several others and turtle. Jackson will play tough but take a vicious hit and start to hear footsteps. Welker will take a beating. Brady will throw a pick, and Watson will drop a key pass or two. Merriman will be neutralized by Light. Stallworth will work the slip screens and the cold weather will make tackling him a chore. Final score 24-17 Pats.
 
A very well-thought out post, Pony. I agree with what you say—although I have a hard time believing the Pats will put up less than 30 points. And yes—Cromartie is not yet a shutdown corner. He thrives on mistakes, which Brady rarely makes.
 
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