Yet another Brady argument thread

[All3Phases]

He was under contract and negotiating with Miami.
How was he insulted?

Wanted new long term deals after the 17/18/19 seasons. He won MVP in 2017, why was he playing for incentives in 2018?

Your 100% iron clad has to be true because a writer said it, answer is they offered him more money than he signed with Tampa for. How is the most most insulting?

“A writer”, multiple beat reporters with quality reputations. Show me the details of the deal and I’ll tell you how their final offer wasn’t 50$ mil guaranteed

Ask Green Bay what? If in hindsight they wish they didn’t pay Rodgers all that money for nothing? I know that answer already.

But if it’s only about money, why did Rodgers leave? He got paid and said the same FU to the packers that Brady said to the Patriots. So I guess it’s not about money huh?

Rodgers wanted to be traded, he got a massive deal from the team that wanted to keep him. Massive difference from the Brady situation. If Brady had that offer in hand from NE, I’d agree with you.

Doesn’t matter how to worked out for GB, that wasn’t the discussion. If you want to say the Patriots decided that guaranteeing money to an aging player wasn’t in their best interest, it’s a different argument

 

[All3Phases]

Common sense. The 2019 team wasn’t close to a championship. The cap issues caused a step backward in 2020. Had we needed to count the 25 mill on our cap for Brady that Tampa did, we would have had to release other players. We wouldn’t have had nearly the room for free agency in 2021.
Last year would have been the beginning of a rebuild and this year we would be eating 35 million.

So, you used common sense but not facts here? Good to know that this didn’t come from fact land. Just think, in 2020, they franchised Thuney, who never played after that year. Resigned Mccourty and extended Chung. 2/3 of those players weren’t on the roster in 2021, and Mccourty is not here in 2023. That alone accounted for over 20 Mil in their cap. Somehow they’d have no money on 2021 because of this. That’s a fraction of what they spent in that offseason.

So they’d have a larger dead cap number now, who cares, they’re still non competitive and still rebuilding. Nobody knows how the team would’ve been each year, but we do know is that with BB and Brady, they were competitive almost every year, so history was on their side

 

[Ring 6]

So, you used common sense but not facts here? Good to know that this didn’t come from fact land. Just think, in 2020, they franchised Thuney, who never played after that year. Resigned Mccourty and extended Chung. 2/3 of those players weren’t on the roster in 2021, and Mccourty is not here in 2023. That alone accounted for over 20 Mil in their cap. Somehow they’d have no money on 2021 because of this. That’s a fraction of what they spent in that offseason.

So they’d have a larger dead cap number now, who cares, they’re still non competitive and still rebuilding. Nobody knows how the team would’ve been each year, but we do know is that with BB and Brady, they were competitive almost every year, so history was on their side

You really don’t understand the whole concept of facts do you?
When something happened there are facts and opinions. I trust facts, you rely on opinions to fit your foregone conclusion.

When discussing what would have happened in a situation that didn’t there are not facts to cite, because it didn’t happen.
In order to keep Brady they would have had to release those players and more. 2/3 of those players WERE on the 2021 roster, only Thuney was not.
I didn’t say they couldn’t afford him, I said they couldn’t without further degrading the roster, which you just agreed. If they paid Brady 50 mill in 20 and 21 they don’t have 60 mill for 2021 free agency as a big chunk was carried forward due to opt outs.

It’s pretty obvious after the cap problems we pushed back to go to 4 SBs and win 3 in 5 years, and the roster at the end of 2019 we weren’t winning SBs the last 3 years. If you want to think that it’s worth it to be 35 million in the tank, beyond the team you think isn't competitive in order to have done a little better but won nothing, I disagree. But i don’t look at it emotionally.

 

[Ring 6]

Wanted new long term deals after the 17/18/19 seasons. He won MVP in 2017, why was he playing for incentives in 2018?

“A writer”, multiple beat reporters with quality reputations. Show me the details of the deal and I’ll tell you how their final offer wasn’t 50$ mil guaranteed


Rodgers wanted to be traded, he got a massive deal from the team that wanted to keep him. Massive difference from the Brady situation. If Brady had that offer in hand from NE, I’d agree with you.

Doesn’t matter how to worked out for GB, that wasn’t the discussion. If you want to say the Patriots decided that guaranteeing money to an aging player wasn’t in their best interest, it’s a different argument

His contracts as a Patriot were always part of the plan to stay in top. He was on board with taking less of structuring differently to accomplish that. You argument is he didn’t like the contacts he signed, but signed them anyway up until the one that supports your agenda?

Hoe can I show you the details of the deal YOU say was offered? Sorry you don’t know what you are talking about but you can’t ask me to know what you are talking about if you don’t. Still 53>50. More money is not an insult and surely not “not close to the market”

Brady wanted to leave too.

Of course it matters. It was an abject failure for the packers to keep Rodgers and bribe him by overpaying to prevent him from leaving. That’s what you wanted the patriots to do with Brady. Brady wanted to leave. That’s a fact.

 

[All3Phases]

His contracts as a Patriot were always part of the plan to stay in top. He was on board with taking less of structuring differently to accomplish that. You argument is he didn’t like the contacts he signed, but signed them anyway up until the one that supports your agenda?

Are you saying that a 2/50 fully guaranteed deal for an mvp caliber qb is a bad deal for the patriots?

Hoe can I show you the details of the deal YOU say was offered? Sorry you don’t know what you are talking about but you can’t ask me to know what you are talking about if you don’t. Still 53>50. More money is not an insult and surely not “not close to the market”

Exactly, you don’t know the details, but keep talking about how much Brady would’ve earned. Now you’re caught up

Brady wanted to leave too.

Or did the patriots not want him

Of course it matters. It was an abject failure for the packers to keep Rodgers and bribe him by overpaying to prevent him from leaving. That’s what you wanted the patriots to do with Brady. Brady wanted to leave. That’s a fact.

Contradiction, so the patriots didn’t want their mvp level qb? Rodgers and Brady were in completely different scenarios, and the contracts prove that.

 

[All3Phases]

You really don’t understand the whole concept of facts do you?
When something happened there are facts and opinions. I trust facts, you rely on opinions to fit your foregone conclusion

So all of your projection as to how the teams would’ve been with Brady were not facts? Thanks for confirming

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When discussing what would have happened in a situation that didn’t there are not facts to cite, because it didn’t happen.

Thanks for confirming again

In order to keep Brady they would have had to release those players and more. 2/3 of those players WERE on the 2021 roster, only Thuney was not.

Chung played 0 games after 2019, but yes, they would’ve had to alter the roster a touch to fit in an mvp quarterback at a ridiculously cheap rate. Good argument.

Just imagine how bad the Patriots would’ve been if they couldn’t throw out Agholor and Jonnu in 2021 instead of an MVP caliber qb

I didn’t say they couldn’t afford him, I said they couldn’t without further degrading the roster, which you just agreed. If they paid Brady 50 mill in 20 and 21 they don’t have 60 mill for 2021 free agency as a big chunk was carried forward due to opt outs.

50 mil over 2 years, if we are going off of the exact Brady situation that transpired in TB after his extension, his cap hit was $10 mil in 2021. That is nothing, and would’ve barely impacted their huge spending that year. Just think, the Jonnu contract alone was almost the size of the deal that Brady signed for

It’s pretty obvious after the cap problems we pushed back to go to 4 SBs and win 3 in 5 years, and the roster at the end of 2019 we weren’t winning SBs the last 3 years. If you want to think that it’s worth it to be 35 million in the tank, beyond the team you think isn't competitive in order to have done a little better but won nothing, I disagree. But i don’t look at it emotionally.

Something you can’t prove, unfortunately.

 

[1960Pats]

Wanted new long term deals after the 17/18/19 seasons. He won MVP in 2017, why was he playing for incentives in 2018?

“A writer”, multiple beat reporters with quality reputations. Show me the details of the deal and I’ll tell you how their final offer wasn’t 50$ mil guaranteed


Rodgers wanted to be traded, he got a massive deal from the team that wanted to keep him. Massive difference from the Brady situation. If Brady had that offer in hand from NE, I’d agree with you.

Doesn’t matter how to worked out for GB, that wasn’t the discussion. If you want to say the Patriots decided that guaranteeing money to an aging player wasn’t in their best interest, it’s a different argument

It's kind of funny watching someone try to defend such an obvious bad move. I wonder if Red Sox fans were as agreeable about dumping Ruth.

 

[Ring 6]

Are you saying that a 2/50 fully guaranteed deal for an mvp caliber qb is a bad deal for the patriots?

Exactly, you don’t know the details, but keep talking about how much Brady would’ve earned. Now you’re caught up

Or did the patriots not want him

Contradiction, so the patriots didn’t want their mvp level qb? Rodgers and Brady were in completely different scenarios, and the contracts prove that.

Under those circumstances yes it would have been a bad deal. In a vacuum it wouldn’t, but they would be worse off now with nothing extra to show for it.

If he played 2 years on a 2/53 contract he earns 53.

Patriots, according to you offered more money, and Kraft asked what could they do to keep him so yes they wanted him.

There is no contradiction at all. The packers move turned out badly whether or not Brady existed. Keeping Brady, particularly the way you wanted them too would have turned out badly as well.

 

[Ring 6]

So all of your projection as to how the teams would’ve been with Brady were not facts? Thanks for confirming

Thanks for confirming again

Chung played 0 games after 2019, but yes, they would’ve had to alter the roster a touch to fit in an mvp quarterback at a ridiculously cheap rate. Good argument.

Just imagine how bad the Patriots would’ve been if they couldn’t throw out Agholor and Jonnu in 2021 instead of an MVP caliber qb

50 mil over 2 years, if we are going off of the exact Brady situation that transpired in TB after his extension, his cap hit was $10 mil in 2021. That is nothing, and would’ve barely impacted their huge spending that year. Just think, the Jonnu contract alone was almost the size of the deal that Brady signed for

Something you can’t prove, unfortunately.

Any projection is not a fact. Pretty soon you may learn what a fact is. But I doubt it.
Clearly you don’t understand the cap or math either.

 

[Ring 6]

It's kind of funny watching someone try to defend such an obvious bad move. I wonder if Red Sox fans were as agreeable about dumping Ruth.

It was only a bad move for those who are emotionally attached to Brady finishing his career here.
But im sure at the end of 2019 you were saying if we could just drop some talent off that team and degrade the roster a little more we will win a SB.

 

[All3Phases]

Under those circumstances yes it would have been a bad deal. In a vacuum it wouldn’t, but they would be worse off now with nothing extra to show for it.

An mvp caliber qb making 25$ mil per year is never a bad deal. We also have no idea how they’d be today; but we don’t need to act like they’ve made any great strides in the future because of that move.

If he played 2 years on a 2/53 contract he earns 53.

“If”

Patriots, according to you offered more money, and Kraft asked what could they do to keep him so yes they wanted him.

Why didn’t they offer him guaranteed money, considering you think it was the same

There is no contradiction at all. The packers move turned out badly whether or not Brady existed. Keeping Brady, particularly the way you wanted them too would have turned out badly as well.

Proven by nobody

 

[All3Phases]

Any projection is not a fact. Pretty soon you may learn what a fact is. But I doubt it.
Clearly you don’t understand the cap or math either.

I very much understand it, this is definitely a funny argument coming from the person that said paying an MVP qb 25 million a year was a bad deal, and hindered them from building the team.

 

[All3Phases]

It was only a bad move for those who are emotionally attached to Brady finishing his career here.
But im sure at the end of 2019 you were saying if we could just drop some talent off that team and degrade the roster a little more we will win a SB.

Do the math for us, explain how they couldn’t spend nearly the amount of money in 2021 if they signed Brady in 20.

 

[Ring 6]

Do the math for us, explain how they couldn’t spend nearly the amount of money in 2021 if they signed Brady in 20.

What they had minus the 50 mill they paid him. Pretty simple actually.

 

[All3Phases]

What they had minus the 50 mill they paid him. Pretty simple actually.

In 2020, they would’ve had -25, so they kept the qb over Thuney who was not a long term option regardless, he was 14. So you’re down to 39 mil over two years in an offseason where they set a spending record. Definitely ruined their building chances

 

[Ring 6]

I very much understand it, this is definitely a funny argument coming from the person that said paying an MVP qb 25 million a year was a bad deal, and hindered them from building the team.

So you argue you understand a fact by citing an opinion. Gotcha.

If Brady hadn’t chosen to leave and the Patriots didn’t win a SB and were now deep in dead money because of it, how is that anything but a bad deal?

 

[All3Phases]

So you argue you understand a fact by citing an opinion. Gotcha.

If Brady hadn’t chosen to leave and the Patriots didn’t win a SB and were now deep in dead money because of it, how is that anything but a bad deal?

How do you know how those years play out? Thanks for confirming

 

[Ring 6]

In 2020, they would’ve had -25, so they kept the qb over Thuney who was not a long term option regardless, he was 14. So you’re down to 41 mil over two years in an offseason where they set a spending record. Definitely ruined their building chances

You can’t subtract players because then you are degrading the roster even further. They had 60 mill, paying Brady 50 leaves 10.

 

[Ring 6]

How do you know how those years play out? Thanks for confirming

Common sense.
Are you telling me if Brady chose to stay the 2019 team minus large reductions wins a SB or the 2021 team, starting deeper in the hole and having minimal money to spend wins a SB. You are lying if you say that’s possible.

 

[All3Phases]

You can’t subtract players because then you are degrading the roster even further. They had 60 mill, paying Brady 50 leaves 10.

they didn’t degrade the 2021 roster by removing a player that wasn’t on it. Please continue the math. How bad would the 2021 roster have been without 39$ mil over 2 years

Here I’ll give you a hint, couid the 2021 patriots have been competitive with Brady in and Jonnu and Agholor out?