Will Mac Jones be the starter after the Bye ?

[Guts]

So initially you said you thought the Bucs running more led to friction with Brady and Arians in 2020. Now you bring up that the Bucs switched back to a pass heavy team in 2021. So why the friction? You make no sense.

I don't get his anti Tom stance honestly
It's been a good 3 years of this

 

[Wozzy]

5th > 7th.
15-9 when his defense allows 20+ points in the playoffs. Says it all. Montana is the only other QB (barely) above .500 at 6-5. The other top QB's are below .500 some even way below .500 in that area.

This ^ is an indication of nothing except they had the better overall team. The defenses are better in the playoffs, but so are the offenses and special teams on average.

There's more evidence to back me up if I say that Brady could have won rings with even mediocre defenses than there is for someone to say Bill's defense would have won with any average QB.

I never said or even inferred that. You’re the only one in our two way conversation dismissing the team element from football and suggesting it’s one magical player or element. I said the Patriots had the better team, Tom is part of that team… you’re suggesting Brady did it all.

I'm not the one sounding like other teams fans making excuses for why Brady won a lot. That doesn't make me the troll

Like I said, if Zappe or Grier get the start and play well come here to take your medicine. Don’t disappear like a troll.

 

[Wozzy]

The rushing ranks for attempts and #yards/att
2020 - 29th 4.1y/a (25th)
2021 - 31st 4.3y/a (15th)
2022 - 32nd 3.4y/a (32nd)

So there is very little difference in ranking in rush attempts for the Bucs between Arians/non-Arians. But there is a massive dropoff in yards/att.

I said postseason… they also ranked 32nd in rushing attempts in 2020 until the Saints destroyed them. That’s when they started rushing more, but they really ramped it up in the postseason where they led the entire league in rushing.

 

[Wozzy]

I don't get his anti Tom stance honestly
It's been a good 3 years of this

It’s not anti-Tom, that’s what Tom ballwashers and BB bashers think.

I have been equally critical of Brady and BB when they screw up… I never took a side. Posters can’t recognize objective when they see it.

I believe it’s a team game and it takes a team to win, QB is part of the team… not apart from it.

 

[Guts]

It’s not anti-Tom, that’s what Tom ballwashers and BB bashers think.

I have been equally critical of Brady and BB when they screw up… I never took a side. Posters can’t recognize objective when they see it.

I believe it’s a team game and it takes a team to win, QB is part of the team… not apart from it.

I don't know man I've seen a lot of contradictory posts from you lately but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
Not feeling too toxic today

 

[Wozzy]

I don't know man I've seen a lot of contradictory posts from you lately but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
Not feeling too toxic today

Nothing I've said is contradictory to what I've said in the past, the only thing that changed was the Patriot's team... Mac Jones fell completely off a cliff instead of making the year three leap.

They need a QB, nobody can win with the worst starting QB in the NFL.

 

[mike_usagisan]

They need a QB, nobody can win with the worst starting QB in the NFL.

I assume we're bad enough to lose to the Jets now, but how bad is it for everyone involved if we sweep them?

 

[Wozzy]

I assume we're bad enough to lose to the Jets now, but how bad is it for everyone involved if we sweep them?

In the back of their minds they think Rogers might come back for the playoffs... they'll fight and try to squeak in.

Frankly I'd rather start Zappe/Grier and see how they do than give up entirely. If they suck, no harm no foul.

Alternatively if one of them turns out to be great, that would be awesome.

I would rather win out and know we have the QB of the future on the team, than hope we choose the right QB in the draft.

The draft is a crapshoot, we could have the first overall pick and end up with Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf.

I'll take the sure thing instead. A bird in hand...

 

[sb1]

This ^ is an indication of nothing except they had the better overall team. The defenses are better in the playoffs, but so are the offenses and special teams on average.

Yes playoff teams tend to be better in the playoffs. A 20+ point performance means the defense wasn't particularly great that day. Didn't matter to Brady he won anyway.

I never said or even inferred that. You’re the only one in our two way conversation dismissing the team element from football and suggesting it’s one magical player or element. I said the Patriots had the better team, Tom is part of that team… you’re suggesting Brady did it all.

Also you and others had better hope BB doesn’t switch QB’s and that they don’t play really well. Because then suddenly the weapons and O-Line are going to magically look better

I'm getting dizzy trying to keep track with all the going back and forth... so the QB singlehandedly can make the weapons and OL play well...but Brady didn't do that because team. Which is it?

Like I said, if Zappe or Grier get the start and play we’ll come here to take your medicine. Don’t disappear like a troll.

Lol. Gotta admire the confidence in the face of absolutely zero evidence to back it up. Lol. Lol.

And even one or both do play well all that means is the team could get something for them in a trade. The Patriots will have a brand new QB room next season.

 

[TommyD4207]

The Patriots have used pick #15 twice on quarterbacks in their franchise history. If Mac Jones does not play again this year, the first three playing season's results are creepy:

Player:_________ Games Started_______Yards_____Touchdowns____Interceptions
Mac Jones _____________ 41______________8,829 _________46____________34
Tony Eason ____________ 37______________8,712__________53____________35

By these metrics, other than interceptions, Eason was the significantly better quarterback. And he did this in an era where receivers could be mangled and quarterbacks were fair game to be mutilated, unlike today where the game is heavily weighted in favor of offenses.

Oh yes, Eason was horrible. What does that say about Mac? Please reply and tell me if the numbers lie....

Eason wasn't horrible until after the 86 season. Before that he was pretty damned good for the time.

 

[sb1]

In the back of their minds they think Rogers might come back for the playoffs... they'll fight and try to squeak in.

Frankly I'd rather start Zappe/Grier and see how they do than give up entirely. If they suck, no harm no foul.

In Zappe's case he does suck, we already know that.. And there's no reason to think Grier is any better.

Alternatively if one of them turns out to be great, that would be awesome.

Fantasy.

I would rather win out and know we have the QB of the future on the team, than hope we choose the right QB in the draft.

That won't prove a thing. Even if it's Mac Jones. The Patriots are going to have a new QB room next season.

The draft is a crapshoot, we could have the first overall pick and end up with Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf.

I'll take the sure thing instead. A bird in hand...

And yet the closest to a sure thing we have right now is... Mac Jones. Weird eh?

 

[Wozzy]

Yes playoff teams tend to be better in the playoffs. A 20+ point performance means the defense wasn't particularly great that day. Didn't matter to Brady he won anyway.

There were two low scoring defensive battles against the Giants in the Super Bowl where our offense failed miserably.

There was also the Rams Super Bowl in 2018 where our defense allowed a historically low number of points.

I guess you see what you want to see if you look hard enough for it.

I'm getting dizzy trying to keep track with all the going back and forth... so the QB singlehandedly can make the weapons and OL play well...but Brady didn't do that because team. Which is it?

A QB can’t make a bad line look great, Joe Burrow, his defense and his superweapons took the Bengals bad offensive line as far as they could go the last two seasons. If he had a good line, not even great, Burrow would have won back to back championships…instead he lost because his line sucked. This isn’t hard, you have comprehension issues.

Lol. Gotta admire the confidence in the face of absolutely zero evidence to back it up. Lol. Lol.

I haven’t said Zappe or Grier we’re going to be good or great, I literally said I don’t know.

You’re the only one here making predictions based off nothing.

And even one or both do play well all that means is the team could get something for them in a trade. The Patriots will have a brand new QB room next season.

Why would the Pats trade Zappe/Grier if they play great… that makes no sense at all?

 

[Wozzy]

In Zappe's case he does suck, we already know that.. And there's no reason to think Grier is any better.

Fantasy.

That won't prove a thing. Even if it's Mac Jones. The Patriots are going to have a new QB room next season.

And yet the closest to a sure thing we have right now is... Mac Jones. Weird eh?

I wasn’t talking to you.

You’ve already stated your predictions as fact over and over and over…

I already told you what I expect.

If by some chance Zappe/Grier play great, I want to to come back here and take your medicine… don’t slink off like a coward.

You don’t have to repeat yourself, especially don’t have to respond when I’m speaking to someone else by repeating yourself. You don’t get more points for being redundant.

 

[Pape]

I assume we're bad enough to lose to the Jets now, but how bad is it for everyone involved if we sweep them?

Play hard. Beat the crap out of them. It will make me happy to sweep the jete. Damn the draft considerations.

Theoretically, though, I wouldn't mind losing out to finish 2-15.

 

[sb1]

There were two low scoring defensive battles against the Giants in the Super Bowl where our offense failed miserably.

Wasn't their best games and yet Brady had the team in position to win both times... and then the defense didn't get the one stop either time that mattered the most.

There was also the Rams Super Bowl in 2018 where our defense allowed a historically low number of points.

And they wouldn't have even been there without Brady's heroics in the AFC Championship game. Wade Phillips is a very good DC and the Rams defense was very good, it's not surprising they dialed up a good game plan and executed it well. Either way, 15-6 in the playoffs where the defense allows 20+ points speaks for itself. Brady carried the defense a lot more often than the other way around.

A QB can’t make a bad line look great,

But Zappe or Grier can? Or Mac for that matter? Lol

Joe Burrow, his defense and his superweapons took the Bengals bad offensive line as far as they could go the last two seasons. If he had a good line, not even great, Burrow would have won back to back championships…instead he lost because his line sucked. This isn’t hard, you have comprehension issues.

The Patriots OL has been trash all season in pass blocking. So it shouldn't be surprising that Mac Jones has fallen off the cliff, and it's certainly all not on him as some have said. His int near the end zone was thrown in the face of pressure that was right there because the guy who missed his block doesn't belong in the league. Oh wait I'm A MaC SHiLL or something.

I haven’t said Zappe or Grier we’re going to be good or great, I literally said I don’t know.

Not sure how anyone can't know if all the evidence we have points in one direction. I literally don't know if a **** sandwich tastes good but I don't think I have to eat one to know for sure that it won't.

You’re the only one here making predictions based off nothing.

No, it's on what we've seen already.

Why would the Pats trade Zappe/Grier if they play great… that makes no sense at all?

Because neither of them have enough talent to be NFL starting caliber QBs and to date haven't proven otherwise.

Lemme guess...if Zappe plays and is terrible it's because he didn't get a full training camp with the 1's. I bet that's the next excuse. Lol. But Mac "shills" can't make excuses for their guy. Lol

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

@Wozzy’s last stand to defend Bill while proving it’s not all about the quarterback situation, unless the quarterback situation makes Bill look bad. Sad stuff.

 

[sb1]

I wasn’t talking to you.

You’ve already stated your predictions as fact over and over and over…

I already told you what I expect.

If by some chance Zappe/Grier play great, I want to to come back here and take your medicine… don’t slink off like a coward.

You don’t have to repeat yourself, especially don’t have to respond when I’m speaking to someone else by repeating yourself. You don’t get more points for being redundant.

Of course I will repeat myself. I'm a MaC ShILL remember?

 

[Wozzy]

Wasn't their best games and yet Brady had the team in position to win both times... and then the defense didn't get the one stop either time that mattered the most.

Two of the lowest scoring games in Patriot Super Bowl history. The defense did their job, the offense didn't... and also had the only turnovers in those games. And BTW... the offense had the ball last in both of those games, so don't complain to me about crunch-time.

You forgot to comment on the 2018 Rams win, or Malcolm Butler interception, or how Tom threw one TD in the entire 2001 postseason... but you're right... Tom did it all on his own.

#delusional

Oh wait lemme guess...if Zappe plays and is terrible it's because he didn't get a full training camp with the 1's. I bet that's the next excuse. Lol. But Mac "shills" can't make excuses for their guy. Lol

If Zappe or Grier play terrible then they're terrible... they'll have seven or so games to prove it assuming they get the start.

You don't seem to get it. I never said "Zappe will play great," I said it's a complete unknown.

You're the only person in this conversation making bold predictions.

 

[Wozzy]

@Wozzy’s last stand to defend Bill while proving it’s not all about the quarterback situation, unless the quarterback situation makes Bill look bad. Sad stuff.

I said BB was wrong last season for not sticking with the hot hand after Zappe went 2-0.

I said BB should be fired over a month ago for continuing to play Mac... that's me defending BB and saying it's not all about the QB situation.

You're not very bright are you?

Not all of us buy into your junior high "Brady vs Belichick" garbage, this is nuanced football talk. If you can't keep up, sit it out.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I said BB was wrong last season for not sticking with the hot hand after Zappe went 2-0.

I said BB should be fired about a month ago for continuing to play Mac... that's me defending BB and saying it's not all about the QB situation.

You're not very bright are you?

Okay then you think Bill should be fired?