Will Mac Jones be the starter after the Bye ?

[PatsFan2]

Brady, Cassel, Jimmy… if the prospect take to coaching there’s not many better situations than BB and Obie.

Mac was softer than Charmin ultra soft… they need to stop drafting wussy’s and nice guys. N’Keal was the same mentally soft type. Draft an alpha or don’t draft at all.

I agree let's start drafting guys with attitudes and not choir boys Football is a tough man sport not for cry babies.

 

[Wozzy]

Fair enough. But next week will be telling. I am just curious tonsee what Grier can do. I'm not really all that impressed with zap.. but he's likely going to start unfortunately

I’m sure the fans over the 49ers forum were saying Brock Purdy sucks last year around this time when the two guys in front of him got hurt.

If the 49ers are such geniuses to know the unknowable they would have elevated Purdy above JimmyG from the very beginning.

Zappe has a strong arm, he threw for a lot of yards and TD’s in college. He needs to limit his interceptions and mistakes. Preparing all week as a starter and playing the entire game is a better indicator of who he is than the waning minutes of a blowout loss.

 

[Real fan 02]

Giants = more than suck *win*
Chargers = Overrated *win*
Steelers = Don't score that much also have a very good defense. maybe *win*
Chiefs = The Great Mahomes nuff said! *loss*
Broncos = Possible *win*
Buffalo = Wheels are falling off *win*
Jets = *win*

IF Zappe goes 6-1 or 5-2 we might have something going forward.

Like it! Imagine... just imagine if somehow that all came to fruition.. this would be one for the masses..

 

[sb1]

Yes. The organization likely feels that they can't trust Mac so they will keep him around as a backup..as his trade value isn't really high. Grier should have ample opportunity to start. Reason why I would rather see Mac elsewhere is because I know he could be a better QB somewhere else.. NE isn't for everyone. So many players have said that even the GOAT.

Yeah for sure. Funny how they said Mac was the perfect fit here when he was drafted and it turns out he wasn't a fit at all. I know he can't be the guy because is he hasn't shown any signs of being a leader. It's his teammates that always seem to talk him up not the other way around. I don't remember anyone doing that with Brady.

 

[sb1]

Zappe has a strong arm, he threw for a lot of yards and TD’s in college. He needs to limit his interceptions and mistakes. Preparing all week as a starter and playing the entire game is a better indicator of who he is than the waning minutes of a blowout loss.

I stopped reading at Zappe has a strong arm. Lol

 

[Real fan 02]

I’m sure the fans over the 49ers forum were saying Brock Purdy sucks last year around this time when the two guys in front of him got hurt.

If the 49ers are such geniuses to know the unknowable they would have elevated Purdy above JimmyG from the very beginning.

Zappe has a strong arm, he threw for a lot of yards and TD’s in college. He needs to limit his interceptions and mistakes. Preparing all week as a starter and playing the entire game is a better indicator of who he is than the waning minutes of a blowout losses

I’m sure the fans over the 49ers forum were saying Brock Purdy sucks last year around this time when the two guys in front of him got hurt.

If the 49ers are such geniuses to know the unknowable they would have elevated Purdy above JimmyG from the very beginning.

Zappe has a strong arm, he threw for a lot of yards and TD’s in college. He needs to limit his interceptions and mistakes. Preparing all week as a starter and playing the entire game is a better indicator of who he is than the waning minutes of a blowout loss.

I'm just looking for adequate Play from the QB position. Who ever it is at this point. If Zapp can play well and be the reason the team wins and has success then we may be on to something.

 

[sb1]

Giants = more than suck *win*
Chargers = Overrated *win*
Steelers = Don't score that much also have a very good defense. maybe *win*
Chiefs = The Great Mahomes nuff said! *loss*
Broncos = Possible *win*
Buffalo = Wheels are falling off *win*
Jets = *win*

IF Zappe goes 6-1 or 5-2 we might have something going forward.

Yup, a 2025 7th round pick for sending Zappe on his way to another team. That's more than what they'd get now which is zero.

I wouldn't count on it though.

 

[Wozzy]

Tom Brady arrived on a 5-11 team who started 0-2 and made them champs the same year. Later in his career he arrived on a 7-9 team and made them champs too. You were saying?

He played 23 years and only won 7, what happened those 16 other times?

Either it's all the QB or it isn't. Cause if it isn't then we can't put all the blame on the QB and pretend everything else is fine on the team. It's not.

Nobody said it’s all the QB, I said you need at least good QB play the same way you need good O-Line play, good defensive line, good defensive backfield, good special teams play…. are you really this slow or are you being intentionally obtuse?

Patriots Pass Blocking Win Rate is dead last in the NFL. That's not what I'd call "improved".

Mac takes unnecessary sacks, runs into pressure, holds the ball like a statue. A bad QB can make everyone else look bad. They rushed for 170 yards against the Colts, it wasn’t the lines fault. Mac stinks.

I agree. Don't recall any players making excuses.

You’re making excuses.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yeah for sure. Funny how they said Mac was the perfect fit here when he was drafted and it turns out he wasn't a fit at all. I know he can't be the guy because is he hasn't shown any signs of being a leader. It's his teammates that always seem to talk him up not the other way around. I don't remember anyone doing that with Brady.

Yes. GOAT just had an insatiable desire for wanting to be better. Hence he became a better QB as his career went into the later stages then in his 20s.. we need that alpha, we need that "guy" I look at what CJ stroud has become. I've mentioned that BBs coaching "style " may not be what Mac thrives on.. some guys need a different type of coaching. Brady thrived off BBs style.

 

[PatsFan2]

Mac plays poorly: It's all his fault! You're saying the line sucks? The WR's suck? Stop making excuses for him!
Zappe plays poorly: It's not his fault! The line sucks! The WR's suck! He didn't get to practice with the 1's! He didn't get a full training camp with the 1's It was a short week! He has the sniffles!

Gotta love the Zappeites defending their boy like the Alamo

sb1 Some of us including myself was expecting a QB Controversy before the Season in New England but Mac was handed the job and failed miserably. You and some others keep harping on that Chicago game saying Zappe was exposed beyond redemption. Also you'll keep saying he sucks in Mop up duty getting no First Team reps oh yeah and he was cut and no one signed him. Well he's still here and might get a second chance what if he elevates the Team and they believe in him....What will you say then??

 

[Wozzy]

And how did that "2-0 last year wow he's awsum!" work out when the team cut him and made him available for free to the rest of the league? Guess they didn't think much of it and I don't blame them.

We know who he is already. He's not even better than Mac. He blows.

Blathering on and replying at a furious pace doesn’t enhance your takes or make them anymore sensical.

 

[PatsFan2]

He played 23 years and only won 7, what happened those 16 other times?

Nobody said it’s all the QB, I said you need at least good QB play the same way you need good O-Line play, good defensive line, good defensive backfield, good special teams play…. are you really this slow or are you being intentionally obtuse?

Mac takes unnecessary sacks, runs into pressure, holds the ball like a statue. A bad QB can makes everyone else look bad. They rushed for 170 yards against the Colts, it wasn’t the lines fault. Mac stinks.

You’re making excuses.

I've always agreed with Wozzy 100% he's not a Mac apologist like myself.

 

[sb1]

He played 23 years and only won 7, what happened those 16 other times?

Well one of those times the so called greatest HC of all time left his best tackling corner on the bench for who knows what reason and wasted one of the all time great Super Bowl performances by a QB.... another time that very same HC thought it was a brilliant idea to hand the ball off to a washed Steven Jackson to lose a bye and force the team to go to Denver for the AFC Championship game with predictable results. That's 2. I can keep going if you'd like.

Nobody said it’s all the QB, I said you need at least good QB play the same way you need good O-Line play, good defensive line, good defensive backfield, good special teams play…. are you really this slow or are you being intentionally obtuse?

It's either all the QB or it's not. If I'm going to read shrieking that I'm being a Mac shill for commenting on a Patriots beat writer saying the Pats OL was beaten on the play that Mac's got intercepted then the only conclusion to draw is that we all think it's all the QB. So using that logic I'm too happy to give Brady all the credit for the dynasty. What's the HC's record again without him? Or does that logic only work the way you like it to work? It cuts both ways.

Mac takes unnecessary sacks, runs into pressure, holds the ball like a statue.

Which is what Daniels said and I agree with him. He isn't good under pressure and his mechanics fall apart. So when a QB isn't good under pressure seems like it's only logical to scheme up or get new talent here that could protect a QB a lot better than they have.

A bad QB can makes everyone else look bad. They rushed for 170 yards against the Colts, it wasn’t the lines fault. Mac stinks.

A bad QB can absolutely make everyone else look bad. That's why Mac is not the guy. He is only as good as his team.

You’re making excuses.

Oh cool so back to the it's "all the QB" thing again. It's so hard to follow all the jumping back and forth! Lol

 

[PatsFan2]

Yup, a 2025 7th round pick for sending Zappe on his way to another team. That's more than what they'd get now which is zero.

I wouldn't count on it though.

Side note I know we think T Thornton Sucks but is Mac Jones the QB to throw to a guy with his skill set?? I think not.

 

[Wozzy]

I stopped reading at Zappe has a strong arm. Lol

Meanwhile watch at the :25 mark:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=37yeoWpubgY

50 yards through the air at the combine… but he’s a Patriot so “weak arm.”

Well one of those times the so called greatest HC of all time left his best tackling corner on the bench for who knows what reason and wasted one of the all time great Super Bowl performances by a QB.... another time that very same HC thought it was a brilliant idea to hand the ball off to a washed Steven Jackson to lose a bye and force the team to go to Denver for the AFC Championship game with predictable results. That's 2. I can keep going if you'd like.


It's either all the QB or it's not. If I'm going to read shrieking that I'm being a Mac shill for commenting on a Patriots beat writer saying the Pats OL was beaten on the play that Mac's got intercepted then the only conclusion to draw is that we all think it's all the QB. So using that logic I'm too happy to give Brady all the credit for the dynasty. What's the HC's record again without him? Or does that logic only work the way you like it to work? It cuts both ways.


Which is what Daniels said and I agree with him. He isn't good under pressure and his mechanics fall apart. So when a QB isn't good under pressure seems like it's only logical to scheme up or get new talent here that could protect a QB a lot better than they have.


A bad QB can absolutely make everyone else look bad. That's why Mac is not the guy. He is only as good as his team.

Oh cool so back to the it's "all the QB" thing again. It's so hard to follow all the jumping back and forth! Lol

Blah blah blah…

You talk a lot but don’t say much.

 

[203Pat]

Well one of those times the so called greatest HC of all time left his best tackling corner on the bench for who knows what reason and wasted one of the all time great Super Bowl performances by a QB.... another time that very same HC thought it was a brilliant idea to hand the ball off to a washed Steven Jackson to lose a bye and force the team to go to Denver for the AFC Championship game with predictable results. That's 2. I can keep going if you'd like.


It's either all the QB or it's not. If I'm going to read shrieking that I'm being a Mac shill for commenting on a Patriots beat writer saying the Pats OL was beaten on the play that Mac's got intercepted then the only conclusion to draw is that we all think it's all the QB. So using that logic I'm too happy to give Brady all the credit for the dynasty. What's the HC's record again without him? Or does that logic only work the way you like it to work? It cuts both ways.


Which is what Daniels said and I agree with him. He isn't good under pressure and his mechanics fall apart. So when a QB isn't good under pressure seems like it's only logical to scheme up or get new talent here that could protect a QB a lot better than they have.


A bad QB can absolutely make everyone else look bad. That's why Mac is not the guy. He is only as good as his team.

Oh cool so back to the it's "all the QB" thing again. It's so hard to follow all the jumping back and forth! Lol

Can't have your cake and eat it too. When Brady was here it Bill apparently had so much to do with the winning. Now that Mac is here and losing Bill has nothing to do with the losing and it's all Mac.

 

[sb1]

sb1 Some of us including myself was expecting a QB Controversy before the Season in New England but Mac was handed the job and failed miserably.

Mac wasn't handed the job, he won it. Beat Zappe like a drum which is what I expected to happen. Guy drafted in the first round is better than the guy that should have never been drafted at all.

True 99.99% of the time. Not sure why that's a surprise.

You and some others keep harping on that Chicago game saying Zappe was exposed beyond redemption. Also you'll keep saying he sucks in Mop up duty

Is a 36 QB Rating doing a good job in mop up duty?

getting no First Team reps oh yeah and he was cut and no one signed him.

Gee I wonder why.

Well he's still here and might get a second chance what if he elevates the Team and they believe in him....What will you say then??

If I'm wrong I'm wrong. In this case there's no evidence whatsoever at this time to expect that I'm wrong.

 

[sb1]

Meanwhile watch at the :25 mark:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=37yeoWpubgY

50 yards through the air at the combine… but he’s a Patriot so “weak arm.”


Blah blah blah…

You talk a lot but don’t say much.

Aaaand here comes the Zappeite go-to logic lol.

But that throw that one time at the combine when he was in shorts! But 2-0 last year! lolol

Every. Single. Time.

 

[Pape]

I agree let's start drafting guys with attitudes and not choir boys Football is a tough man sport not for cry babies.

We just did that... didn't work out...

 

[sb1]

Can't have your cake and eat it too. When Brady was here it Bill apparently had so much to do with the winning. Now that Mac is here and losing Bill has nothing to do with the losing and it's all Mac.

And the backtracking is just as hilarious. Bring up Brady and "no it's not all the QB that's not what we're saying!"

Lol