Why has Bill the GM been so poor the past decade?

[JohnJH]

Very, very impressive!! We haven't even talked about the guys drafted with injuries. Sony had knee issues, Malcom Mitchell, barmore to name a few. I always got confused on why Bill would draft guys with serious injury history or concerns and expect then to miraculously become healthier. Just head scratching.. also ignoring the patriots draft scouts as he was reported doing that ticked off kraft.

Also, Harris had a difficult time staying healthy. Malcolm Mitchell I feel bad for. He was great in the one year he played and gave it all he had, but his knee was shot when he was drafted. Barmore has been having knee problems since his first season and I'd be hesitant of signing him to any major deal (as talented as he is). And the elephant in the room: Bill passed over a few fine receivers in the 2nd round for back to back season's (taking Harry over Metcalf, Brown, Samuels, etc.). Then he repeated that mistake in the 2nd round of the following draft by passing up Pittman Jr. and Tee Higgins, etc. And in last year's draft, there were 3 TE's that are playing well in just their rookie seasons that any one of them we could have used and were there where we were drafting.

 

[JohnJH]

I was thinking about something similar the other day. He’s done well restocking the defense. Judon, Peppers, Duggar, Barmore, Tavai, Godcheaux the last few years. Hope Gonzalez and White devwlopyand we will be pretty good. Good vets like Bentley and Wise too.

Offensively, ugh.

As much of a stud as Judon has been, giving a big contract to a guy that's 28/29 when you sign him is only acceptable if you have a championship caliber defense already, and you just want that 1 piece to make the D even more terrifying. Even then, Judon was a mid-round pick of the Ravens I believe. It shows you what the teams that have an overall solid track record can find anywhere in the draft (aka Edelman, Rhamondre, etc.).

 

[JohnJH]

This is a fundamental part of the problem. Our second round picks the last decade have been poor. Instead of consistently shoring up our roster with high level, second round talent, BB has missed here more than probably anywhere else in the draft. For every Duggar or Barmore, there are three to four Jordan Richards or Dobson, Cyrus Jones, JoJuan Williams, Duke Dawson, Tyquan Thorton. Key draft mises here in the second round are a clear indication that BB's drafting has been very poor overall during the last decade.

Basically, we've totally sucked in the 2nd through 4th rounds of the draft for at least the last 7 years at. You're absolutely correct!

 

[IcyPatriot]

Belichick shops at Price Chopper.

 

[Wozzy]

Wtf are you talking about. When did an alien take over belichicks body and say he cares about players having fun?

You been living under a bridge?

 

[Ring 6]

You been living under a bridge?

No I’ve been living in the real world which apparently you havent been.
But by all means go ahead and show me all the quotes where belichick says he doesn’t care about winning he just wants the players to have fun. You’ll find zero.

 

[Wozzy]

No I’ve been living in the real world which apparently you havent been.
But by all means go ahead and show me all the quotes where belichick says he doesn’t care about winning he just wants the players to have fun. You’ll find zero.

Who said he didn't care about winning? Not me.

I said since he started drafting guys he liked personally, rather than on football merits alone he started drafting a bunch of cremepuffs.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Who said he didn't care about winning? Not me.

I said since he started drafting guys he liked personally, rather than on football merits alone he started drafting a bunch of cremepuffs.

You are creating a straw man here.

 

[Ring 6]

Who said he didn't care about winning? Not me.

I said since he started drafting guys he liked personally, rather than on football merits alone he started drafting a bunch of cremepuffs.

No you said this:

BB definitely has to go back to not caring if his players “have fun.” It all seemed to start turning at that moment, when he started caring if players had fun

 

[Ring 6]

Who said he didn't care about winning? Not me.

I said since he started drafting guys he liked personally, rather than on football merits alone he started drafting a bunch of cremepuffs.

He never said he didn’t draft on football merits.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

I think what's happened with those head-scratching picks is that he HAS hit on a couple in the past, and that's created a false confidence in his analysis.

Consider Gronk. Huge injury risk...as he was even when playing well. His early successes drafting against the consensus, like Mankins, Seymour....again gave him confidence he knew better. "Well, I'll draft this guy here and watch as he makes all those experts look stupid!"

And it has sorta spiraled from there.

 

[archstanton543]

I think what's happened with those head-scratching picks is that he HAS hit on a couple in the past, and that's created a false confidence in his analysis.

Consider Gronk. Huge injury risk...as he was even when playing well. His early successes drafting against the consensus, like Mankins, Seymour....again gave him confidence he knew better. "Well, I'll draft this guy here and watch as he makes all those experts look stupid!"

And it has sorta spiraled from there.

And having a guy like Brady covering for your mistakes helped as well. You can miss on WR's (or CB's) in the second or third consistently when you have the best who's ever done it under center...until even he had enough of the busts on offense.

 

[RIpats88]

And having a guy like Brady covering for your mistakes helped as well. You can miss on WR's (or CB's) in the second or third consistently when you have the best who's ever done it under center...until even he had enough of the busts on offense.

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my god. looking back at the 2nd round. it is littered with busts and reaches. This is a good page to look at and just see how poor our drafts have been. and look at the drafts since our supposed "reset" year.

drafting no pro-bowl caliber players in god knows how long...not sure how fans think thats fine

 

[Real fan 02]

Also, Harris had a difficult time staying healthy. Malcolm Mitchell I feel bad for. He was great in the one year he played and gave it all he had, but his knee was shot when he was drafted. Barmore has been having knee problems since his first season and I'd be hesitant of signing him to any major deal (as talented as he is). And the elephant in the room: Bill passed over a few fine receivers in the 2nd round for back to back season's (taking Harry over Metcalf, Brown, Samuels, etc.). Then he repeated that mistake in the 2nd round of the following draft by passing up Pittman Jr. and Tee Higgins, etc. And in last year's draft, there were 3 TE's that are playing well in just their rookie seasons that any one of them we could have used and were there where we were drafting.

Great points! I will always appreciate Bill and everything he has been for NE. But the GM blunders cannot go without questioning. This team should be built to compete for a superbowls by now. It's been 4 seasons. As we know every team misses on guys. But our misses have been so egregious that it just setbacks a franchise. Most of the guys you'd want to keep going forward are on defense.

 

[Real fan 02]

And having a guy like Brady covering for your mistakes helped as well. You can miss on WR's (or CB's) in the second or third consistently when you have the best who's ever done it under center...until even he had enough of the busts on offense.

Absolutely. Brady was the ultimate equalizer. Edelman even said himself about 1st rounders that came in over the years how he and Brady knew if the guys had it or not. Of course Bill has hit on guys. But this roster should not be in it's current state if he'd drafted correctly.

 

[NFL Mystique]

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my god. looking back at the 2nd round. it is littered with busts and reaches. This is a good page to look at and just see how poor our drafts have been. and look at the drafts since our supposed "reset" year.

drafting no pro-bowl caliber players in god knows how long...not sure how fans think thats fine

2019 has to be a candidate for worst draft in franchise history. It's eye opening when you open that page. Just shows how atrocious the drafts have been.

 

[RIpats88]

2019 has to be a candidate for worst draft in franchise history. It's eye opening when you open that page. Just shows how atrocious the drafts have been.

Dude so many players he draft aren't even in the league anymore. Not even JAGs

 

[Real fan 02]

2019 has to be a candidate for worst draft in franchise history. It's eye opening when you open that page. Just shows how atrocious the drafts have been.

Agreed, as Curran reported.. in turn resulted in the " collaborative " approach

 

[upstater1]

Basically, we've totally sucked in the 2nd through 4th rounds of the draft for at least the last 7 years at. You're absolutely correct!

Here are the hits from the 2nd thru 4th of the last 10 years: Keion White, Sow, Marcus Jones, Jack Jones, Barmore, Stevenson, Dugger, Uche, Jennings, Harris, Bentley, Wise, Thuney, Brissett, Mitchell, Flowers, Shaq Mason, Garoppolo, Stork, James White

Here are the busts: Tyquan, Strong, Perkins, Asiasi, Keene, JoeJuan, Cajuste, Stidham, Dawson, Rivers, Garcia, Valentine, Cyrus, Richards, Tre Jackson, Grissom

Here are the "we don't know yets": Mapu, Andrews, Ryland, Zappe

Guys I don't know what to do with: Winovich had enough value to be traded for Mack Wilson, Jr., so Im not counting him as either; Froholdt is a solid starter in this league; as is Fleming.

This is 21 of 37 players ended up as hits. That's a 57% rate.

If you take any draft, let's say from 5 to 8 years ago, and see how many players actually panned out, the rate for the whole league hovers around 45% (check out 2016, 48 of 107). The Patriots' drafting in the 2nd thru 4th in the last decade is better than most of the league.

 

[Real fan 02]

Here are the hits from the 2nd thru 4th of the last 10 years: Keion White, Sow, Marcus Jones, Jack Jones, Barmore, Stevenson, Dugger, Uche, Jennings, Harris, Bentley, Wise, Thuney, Brissett, Mitchell, Flowers, Shaq Mason, Garoppolo, Stork, James White, Fleming

Here are the busts: Tyquan, Strong, Perkins, Asiasi, Keene, JoeJuan, Cajuste, Stidham, Dawson, Rivers, Garcia, Valentine, Cyrus, Richards, Tre Jackson, Grissom

Here are the "we don't know yets": Mapu, Andrews, Ryland, Zappe

Guys I don't know what to do with: Winovich had enough value to be traded for Mack Wilson, Jr., so Im not counting him as either; Froholdt is a solid starter in this league.

This is 21 of 37 players ended up as hits. That's a 57% rate.

If you take any draft, let's say from 5 to 8 years ago, and see how many players actually panned out, the rate for the whole league hovers around 45% (check out 2016, 48 of 107). The Patriots' drafting in the 2nd thru 4th in the last decade is better than most of the league.

Agreed Wise was a hit as well think he was a 4th right? 2015 draft? On Strong I'd put him in the not knowing what to do with list. Because he did make plays in his very limited opportunities. Had he been kept I'd imagine he'd been more productive then ty Montgomery.