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One 3rd down stop. That was the difference in that game. Butler would have made that stop.
No, Brady fumbling was the difference in the game.
Or is that in the memory hole now?
 
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No, Brady fumbling was the difference in the game.
Or is that in the memory hole now?
I would have fired Bill immediately after the game for letting Jordan Richards and Eric Rowe get clowned by the mighty Nick Foles in a Super Bowl and keeping Butler on the bench who would have got that one stop they needed. Any other coach would have met the same fate.

Imagine blaming Brady for anything in that game when he was the reason it wasn't a 70-0 final score. Woulda served Bill right for his stupidity.
 
I would have fired Bill immediately after the game for letting Jordan Richards and Eric Rowe get clowned by the mighty Nick Foles a Super Bowl and keeping Butler on the bench who would have got that one stop they needed. Any other coach would have met the same fate.

Imagine blaming Brady for anything in that game when he was the reason it wasn't a 70-0 final score. Woulda served Bill right for his stupidity.
Down 5, doing anything they wanted on offense in the 2nd half. Brady holds onto the ball instead of fumbling, they go down and score.
And the defense, without Butler, held the Eagles to 3 after that, giving Brady yet another chance.

Sorry. Your revisionist history attempt isn't working. Some of us actually watched the game.
 
Down 5, doing anything they wanted on offense in the 2nd half. Brady holds onto the ball instead of fumbling, they go down and score.
And the defense, without Butler, held the Eagles to 3 after that, giving Brady yet another chance.
Cool so why didn't they do that the rest of the game. They weren't playing an offense led by Peyton Manning in his prime or Patrick Mahomes they were playing against Nick Foles. Look at who is on the bench in that game and the coach that put him there and you'll understand why.

And regarding "held the Eagles to 3"... ya they really tried hard after they got the ball back in that spot didn't they. Lol

If they needed a TD there they would have gotten it. No doubt at all.
Sorry. Your revisionist history attempt isn't working. Some of us actually watched the game.
I did watch the game and saw BB's defense get absolutely clowned in a Super Bowl by a backup QB because the guy who could have prevented that inexplicably sat on the bench thanks to either the HC's ego or some other reason that shouldn't have been a reason. It's the Super Bowl, not a 1:00 game in late October.

Feel free to have the last word as I don't want to go far off topic in a post about Will Campbell/wingspans for OL.
 
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Bryce Cabeldue, the dominant five-year tackle at Kansas, projects as a guard. Length matters.
 
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I would have fired Bill immediately after the game for letting Jordan Richards and Eric Rowe get clowned by the mighty Nick Foles in a Super Bowl and keeping Butler on the bench who would have got that one stop they needed. Any other coach would have met the same fate.
Removing Bill as GM in 2015 after the inexplicable second round pick would have been fully justified.

Maybe holding him accountable then would have helped win another couple more titles.

Who was the pick in the second round of the 2015 draft? Mr. Jordan Richards. A guy with free agent athleticism but Captain America character.
 
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One play did not define that game. This ^ is just a Bill hater looking for someone to blame.
One stop on 3rd down. It was a one score game. So yeah one play.

I’m not a Bill hater but I am a hater of benching Butler for no good reason that night thus coughing up a Super Bowl
 
One 3rd down stop. That was the difference in that game. Butler would have made that stop.
There were two plays on the first two drives by Rowe who was responsible for giving up 10 points. Had he not got his ankles broken by a big lumbering WR changing directions for a 1st down, they are punting and not eventually kicking a field goal. Then he got beat deep for a TD. Blount haunting them on the ground didn’t help either. Also, the refs gave them two TD’s with the illegal formation not called and the bobbling TD catch by the RB. That was right up there with the Steelers Seahawks worst officiated game.
No, Brady fumbling was the difference in the game.
Or is that in the memory hole now?
One of Brady’s rare blunders in a big game. I hate the dreaded check down, but the one time I wanted it, Brady didn’t do it. White was wide open. Brady can’t have it both ways getting the accolades for a game winning drive, but blame the defense when he messes up.
I would have fired Bill immediately after the game for letting Jordan Richards and Eric Rowe get clowned by the mighty Nick Foles in a Super Bowl and keeping Butler on the bench who would have got that one stop they needed. Any other coach would have met the same fate.
Here’s an interesting question for you. What would you have done had the Patriots lost to the Seahawks in 2014 after Bill not calling a time out? This would’ve been the third straight Super Bowl loss with a third straight defensive collapse.Behind the scenes, we didn’t know about them practicing for a play the Seahawks like to do in the red zone. No matter what a coach tells you, it all comes down to the players execution. Had Butler gotten beaten for a TD, I think a Tom or Bill situation for Bob would’ve taken place.
 
There were two plays on the first two drives by Rowe who was responsible for giving up 10 points. Had he not got his ankles broken by a big lumbering WR changing directions for a 1st down, they are punting and not eventually kicking a field goal. Then he got beat deep for a TD. Blount haunting them on the ground didn’t help either. Also, the refs gave them two TD’s with the illegal formation not called and the bobbling TD catch by the RB. That was right up there with the Steelers Seahawks worst officiated game.

One of Brady’s rare blunders in a big game. I hate the dreaded check down, but the one time I wanted it, Brady didn’t do it. White was wide open. Brady can’t have it both ways getting the accolades for a game winning drive, but blame the defense when he messes up.

Here’s an interesting question for you. What would you have done had the Patriots lost to the Seahawks in 2014 after Bill not calling a time out? This would’ve been the third straight Super Bowl loss with a third straight defensive collapse.Behind the scenes, we didn’t know about them practicing for a play the Seahawks like to do in the red zone. No matter what a coach tells you, it all comes down to the players execution. Had Butler gotten beaten for a TD, I think a Tom or Bill situation for Bob would’ve taken place.

It's almost like football has 53 players and a gaggle of coaches, all responsible for no-more-or-less-important roles in pushing for a victory on any given Sunday.
 
There were two plays on the first two drives by Rowe who was responsible for giving up 10 points. Had he not got his ankles broken by a big lumbering WR changing directions for a 1st down, they are punting and not eventually kicking a field goal. Then he got beat deep for a TD. Blount haunting them on the ground didn’t help either.
And unlikely any of that happens if Butler played especially anything involving Rowe and even the Eagles noticed. The defense that was on the field that night was far from the best defense that could have been put out there.
Also, the refs gave them two TD’s with the illegal formation not called and the bobbling TD catch by the RB. That was right up there with the Steelers Seahawks worst officiated game.
Don't know if it was that egregious as that other Super Bowl but yeah funny how the rules for a catch were somehow changed on the fly in a Super Bowl.
One of Brady’s rare blunders in a big game. I hate the dreaded check down, but the one time I wanted it, Brady didn’t do it. White was wide open. Brady can’t have it both ways getting the accolades for a game winning drive, but blame the defense when he messes up.
Brady's first read was downfield and that's where he was looking after the snap not out to the flat where White was. Don't know if that was an audible by Tom or the playcall that came in but I think they could have been more patient instead of looking for the home run play that they didn't need yet. By the time TB12 saw White it was too late, Brady stepped up to avoid a rusher because of the blown protection but didn't see Graham. Bad things tend to happen to QB's in that spot who get hit when they don't expect it.

Regardless it seems silly to me to say Brady lost the game. He only threw for 500+ yards, 3 TD and 0 INT, a 500 yard performance has never been done before in a SB. And some folks trash Butler because they can't criticize their hoodied hero for anything. Lol
Here’s an interesting question for you. What would you have done had the Patriots lost to the Seahawks in 2014 after Bill not calling a time out? This would’ve been the third straight Super Bowl loss with a third straight defensive collapse.Behind the scenes, we didn’t know about them practicing for a play the Seahawks like to do in the red zone. No matter what a coach tells you, it all comes down to the players execution. Had Butler gotten beaten for a TD, I think a Tom or Bill situation for Bob would’ve taken place.
Yep, plus all the noise around the team. "...since Spygate" woulda been insufferable. That might have been the most important SB win of the 6 for the legacy of both Tom and Bill.

People say it was genius that Bill didn't call the TO... it sure wouldn't have been talked about like that if they scored there. I agree there would have been a lot of hard conversations happening in Foxboro when that happened.
 
We’re up to 8 pages, but has anyone offered a good answer to the OP’s question? Lots of comments about arm length and not being able to reach the defender before he reaches you, which wasn’t the question.
If your arm length is ok but wingspan is well below average (i.e., a narrow shoulder span), how does that matter? It doesn’t affect the distance you can reach straight ahead. Can someone answer this without talking about arm length?
The only time I can think of winspan coming into play is when the edge rusher changes direction quickly (Edge lined up outside and quickly moves inside) this would be more of a footwork issue but winspan would come into play if the OT is slow to move to the spot.

Another one is when there is a stunt and the OT has to keep a hand on the inside rusher and attempt to engage with the outside rusher, if the OG is unable to pick up the inside guy on time.

Just thoughts. I think the wingspan/arm length concerns are over rated.
 
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One stop on 3rd down. It was a one score game. So yeah one play.

I’m not a Bill hater but I am a hater of benching Butler for no good reason that night thus coughing up a Super Bowl
Butler sucked in 2017, he went to Tennessee next season and got benched for sucking and replaced by their nickel corner. But he was the missing element…. sounds legit.

Meanwhile Eric Rowe played well going forward, earned a hefty contract from the Dolphins.

The Eagles won that game because Hightower, Alan Branch, Jon Jones and Patrick Chung got hurt and couldn’t play, the Eagles rushed for almost 200 yards. Learn the game.

You’re the president of the BB hater fanclub, stop lying.
 
The only time I can think of winspan coming into play is when the edge rusher changes direction quickly (Edge lined up outside and quickly moves inside) this would be more of a footwork issue but winspan would come into play if the OT is slow to move to the spot.

Another one is when there is a stunt and the OT has to keep a hand on the inside rusher and attempt to engage with the outside rusher, if the OG is unable to pick up the inside guy on time.

Just thoughts. I think the wingspan/arm length concerns are over rated.
 
If a woman has 2 men, and the beds are far apart, she needs wingspan.
 
The only time I can think of winspan coming into play is when the edge rusher changes direction quickly (Edge lined up outside and quickly moves inside) this would be more of a footwork issue but winspan would come into play if the OT is slow to move to the spot.

Another one is when there is a stunt and the OT has to keep a hand on the inside rusher and attempt to engage with the outside rusher, if the OG is unable to pick up the inside guy on time.

Just thoughts. I think the wingspan/arm length concerns are over rated.
But you aren’t effectively blocking a pas rusher because you got that inch longer finger on him.
Let’s put it another way. Any situation where an OT who make use of his extra 1” long arm is a situation where he is already beaten and it won’t fix it.
 
But you aren’t effectively blocking a pas rusher because you got that inch longer finger on him.
Let’s put it another way. Any situation where an OT who make use of his extra 1” long arm is a situation where he is already beaten and it won’t fix it.
Yes either way you are beaten due to poor footwork/position whatever but that extra 4-7 inches of wingspan lets you push him further deep or further inside on counter moves and that can make the difference between a pressure where the QB still gets it off or a sack.
 
Yes either way you are beaten due to poor footwork/position whatever but that extra 4-7 inches of wingspan lets you push him further deep or further inside on counter moves and that can make the difference between a pressure where the QB still gets it off or a sack.
No it doesn’t. Footwork does.
 
Down 5, doing anything they wanted on offense in the 2nd half. Brady holds onto the ball instead of fumbling, they go down and score.
And the defense, without Butler, held the Eagles to 3 after that, giving Brady yet another chance.

Sorry. Your revisionist history attempt isn't working. Some of us actually watched the game.
I seriously thought your first post about Brady fumbling was a joke
 
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