Who should be available at 14?

[One-If-By-Sea]

Witherspoon or Gonzalez please. Don’t think any WR is worth the #14 pick. Wouldn’t mind a top OT either if there ain’t a run on them early.

I am still waiting for Witherspoon's Pro Day this Wednesday to see his workout results (he skipped the combine) before completely going all in on Witherspoon.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I think the mocks that put him in the top 10 are a bit off but there is a virtual certainty that either Porter or Addison are going off the board the immediate pick after NE to Pittsburgh. The former is obvious, the latter would reunite a pair that combined to win a Biletnikoff award, a Unitas Award, and made Pickett a first rounder. If they really like either they should stay put and take him, but if they don't they will likely get a nice offer from someone who does fancy one of the two.

Let's trade with Pitt, 14 down to 17, either for their 3rd (80) or for a swap of their 2nd (49) for our 3rd (76).

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Yeah i'm at the stage regarding QB's that the team should just keep swapping high floor guys on rookie deals with juggernaut teams around them until they hit someone worthy of the absolutely absurd deals QB's get. Which I'm completely fine with never happening. IMO if you put rookie Mac on a team that is 30% better around him with a couple of game changers on offense you can 100% win a championship with that.

That would be a great strategy to perpetually pay $3m/yr for our QB instead of $45m.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I have the following players off the board at #14:

QB-B. Young/ C.J. Stroud/A. Richardson

WR-J. Smith Njigba

OT- P. Johnson Jr./ B. Jones

DE/Edge-W.Anderson Jr./T. Ellis

DT-J. Carter

CB-D. Witherspoon/C. Gonzalez

That’s 11 players who I believe will be gone at # 14, there are others, like Lukas Van Ness and Bijan Robinson, Myles Murphy, and Will Levis, who I think are likely to be gone, but not a certainty. So I think we will be looking at a draft board that will look something like this.

QB W. Levis

RB-B. Robinson/ J. Gibbs

WR-Q.Johnson/ Z.Flowers/ J. Addison

TE-D. Kincaid

OT—P. Skoronski/ D. Wright

OG. O. C. Torrence


DT- K. Kancey / B.Breece

DE/Edge-

OLB- N. Smith

S-B. Branch

CB- J. Porter Jr.

That’s how I see the board right now, but I’m sure the Patriots board looks much different than mine. As things stand I think the most likely move by the Patriots is going to be a trade down, but my sleeper pick is going to be Bijan Robinson RB Texas. At # 14 I don’t think there is any player with a higher ceiling than Robinson. And combined with Stephenson this would give the Patriots a dominant run game. If they do decide to stay at # 14 there will be a number of good options that I like, including RB Robinson, WR- Z. Flowers, TE-D. Kincaid, N. Smith. Should be an interesting few weeks of jockeying for positions in the first round. My hope is that they go with a prospect with a really high ceiling.

 

[p8ryts]

I have the following players off the board at #14:

QB-B. Young/ C.J. Stroud/A. Richardson

WR-J. Smith Njigba

OT- P. Johnson Jr./ B. Jones

DE/Edge-W.Anderson Jr./T. Ellis

DT-J. Carter

CB-D. Witherspoon/C. Gonzalez

That’s 11 players who I believe will be gone at # 14, there are others, like Lukas Van Ness and Bijan Robinson, Myles Murphy, and Will Levis, who I think are likely to be gone, but not a certainty. So I think we will be looking at a draft board that will look something like this.

QB W. Levis

RB-B. Robinson/ J. Gibbs

WR-Q.Johnson/ Z.Flowers/ J. Addison

TE-D. Kincaid

OT—P. Skoronski/ D. Wright

OG. O. C. Torrence


DT- K. Kancey / B.Breece

DE/Edge-

OLB- N. Smith

S-B. Branch

CB- J. Porter Jr.

That’s how I see the board right now, but I’m sure the Patriots board looks much different than mine. As things stand I think the most likely move by the Patriots is going to be a trade down, but my sleeper pick is going to be Bijan Robinson RB Texas. At # 14 I don’t think there is any player with a higher ceiling than Robinson. And combined with Stephenson this would give the Patriots a dominant run game. If they do decide to stay at # 14 there will be a number of good options that I like, including RB Robinson, WR- Z. Flowers, TE-D. Kincaid, N. Smith. Should be an interesting few weeks of jockeying for positions in the first round. My hope is that they go with a prospect with a really high ceiling.

I think I'll stick with Van Ness at 14 or a trade down. I think serviceable OT and CB are available in rounds 2 and 3.

 

[turkeyneck]

I don't like spending high draft choices on RBs but if Robinson is there I'd have a hard time not taking him.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don't like spending high draft choices on RBs but if Robinson is there I'd have a hard time not taking him.

Agree completely, if the comparisons with Saquan Barkley are accurate it’s hard to see how they could pass him up,

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think I'll stick with Van Ness at 14 or a trade down. I think serviceable OT and CB are available in rounds 2 and 3.

I like Van Ness as well.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I have the following players off the board at #14:
QB-B. Young/ C.J. Stroud/A. Richardson
WR-J. Smith Njigba
OT- P. Johnson Jr./ B. Jones
DE/Edge-W.Anderson Jr./T. Ellis
DT-J. Carter
CB-D. Witherspoon/C. Gonzalez

That’s 11 players who I believe will be gone at # 14, there are others, like Lukas Van Ness and Bijan Robinson, Myles Murphy, and Will Levis, who I think are likely to be gone, but not a certainty. So I think we will be looking at a draft board that will look something like this.
QB W. Levis
RB-B. Robinson/ J. Gibbs
WR-Q.Johnson/ Z.Flowers/ J. Addison
TE-D. Kincaid
OT—P. Skoronski/ D. Wright
OG. O. C. Torrence
DT- K. Kancey / B.Breece
DE/Edge-
OLB- N. Smith
S-B. Branch
CB- J. Porter Jr.

That’s how I see the board right now, but I’m sure the Patriots board looks much different than mine. As things stand I think the most likely move by the Patriots is going to be a trade down, but my sleeper pick is going to be Bijan Robinson RB Texas. At # 14 I don’t think there is any player with a higher ceiling than Robinson. And combined with Stephenson this would give the Patriots a dominant run game. If they do decide to stay at # 14 there will be a number of good options that I like, including RB Robinson, WR- Z. Flowers, TE-D. Kincaid, N. Smith. Should be an interesting few weeks of jockeying for positions in the first round. My hope is that they go with a prospect with a really high ceiling.

I assume you mean Wilson among the top 2 DE/Edge guys. not Ellis?

I don't think Broderick Jones is a lock in top 13. I do think Robinson will be gone.

 

[Wozzy]

If Paris or Gonzalez aren't there, trade back, and instead of getting more picks move the picks you have up into the top of the second round so you have multiple second rounders near the top. There's value in owning the second and third rounds.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I assume you mean Wilson among the top 2 DE/Edge guys. not Ellis?

I don't think Broderick Jones is a lock in top 13. I do think Robinson will be gone.

Yep. And I’m not certain on guys like Jones or Van Ness either. I think there are about 7-8 locks, and then some who are really likely, but it never goes exactly how we think it will. I just try to gauge who I really think will be gone, then figure out who I want the most out of who is left. Usually I’m in favor of the players with the highest upside long term, but this year I’m hoping for Flowers or Robinson because I think they have really high upside’s fed, and the Patriots have to be able to put up significantly more points to be able to compete with the best teams in the AFC. I’m sure there are other ways to get there, but these are the most obvious right now.

 

[VJCPatriot]

If taking a tackle, I'd like Broderick Jones or Paris Johnson.

If taking a wide receiver Jaxon Smith-Njigba is probably the best fit as an elite route runner who can create RAC yardage in BOB's system.

Scouting profile:

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/nfl-draft/pittsburgh-steelers-scouting-report-jaxon-smith-njigba

And if the Patriots pass on JSN at 14 and the Steelers end up taking him at 17, you can pretty much guarantee he's gonna turn into an All-Pro cos the Steelers know how to draft wideouts and the Patriots can't hit the broad side of a barn with their WR picks.

Other than that a premium corner wouldn't be a bad pick, especially if Joey Porter slides somehow. But I believe the Patriots backup plan is to go after Emmanuel Forbes in round 2. They seem to be looking him over very carefully.

 

[Love The Drake]

I just remember that Bill Belichick said there are only
so many people walking around 300 pounds who run sub 5 40yd dashes.
I always look for us to take a defensive or offensive lineman in the first.

 

[Love The Drake]

I love this mock draft

7-round mock draft: Trade-happy Patriots add several instant starters

The Patriots get better from both rookies and veterans in this mock draft.

www.patspulpit.com

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah i'm at the stage regarding QB's that the team should just keep swapping high floor guys on rookie deals with juggernaut teams around them until they hit someone worthy of the absolutely absurd deals QB's get. Which I'm completely fine with never happening. IMO if you put rookie Mac on a team that is 30% better around him with a couple of game changers on offense you can 100% win a championship with that.

I think this is the next trend. Paying 40 mill a year for a decent qb whose 40 mill prevents you from putting a team around him good enough to win is bad enough but having to fully guaranteed it is crazy.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I just remember that Bill Belichick said there are only
so many people walking around 300 pounds who run sub 5 40yd dashes.
I always look for us to take a defensive or offensive lineman in the first.

It actually came from Parcells, "Planet theory" is what he called it. Get as many "freaks" as possible bc there's only so many walking around.

 

[patfanken]

I have the following players off the board at #14:

QB-B. Young/ C.J. Stroud/A. Richardson

WR-J. Smith Njigba

OT- P. Johnson Jr./ B. Jones

DE/Edge-W.Anderson Jr./T. Ellis

DT-J. Carter

CB-D. Witherspoon/C. Gonzalez

That’s 11 players who I believe will be gone at # 14, there are others, like Lukas Van Ness and Bijan Robinson, Myles Murphy, and Will Levis, who I think are likely to be gone, but not a certainty. So I think we will be looking at a draft board that will look something like this.

QB W. Levis

RB-B. Robinson/ J. Gibbs

WR-Q.Johnson/ Z.Flowers/ J. Addison

TE-D. Kincaid

OT—P. Skoronski/ D. Wright

OG. O. C. Torrence


DT- K. Kancey / B.Breece

DE/Edge-

OLB- N. Smith

S-B. Branch

CB- J. Porter Jr.

That’s how I see the board right now, but I’m sure the Patriots board looks much different than mine. As things stand I think the most likely move by the Patriots is going to be a trade down, but my sleeper pick is going to be Bijan Robinson RB Texas. At # 14 I don’t think there is any player with a higher ceiling than Robinson. And combined with Stephenson this would give the Patriots a dominant run game. If they do decide to stay at # 14 there will be a number of good options that I like, including RB Robinson, WR- Z. Flowers, TE-D. Kincaid, N. Smith. Should be an interesting few weeks of jockeying for positions in the first round. My hope is that they go with a prospect with a really high ceiling.

I agree with most of your takes of what will be there at 14 come the end of the month.

I don't see WR out there that is worth the 14th pick though JSN MIGHT be, but he's likely to be gone. QJ has the best size speed potential, but that's what it is POTENTIAL, the bust risk is too high.

OT and CB are the 2 obvious positional needs. I was hoping that Jones might fall to us. I'm not sure I'd pick Skoronski that high since there are some that see him as a G and we got 2 good ones there. If Witherspoon is there I'd say we'd have to take him. Porter isn't quite as polished but has a LOT of potential and SIZE.

Kancey is a REAL interesting possibility. Who wouldn't want to draft the next Aaron Donald. What an impact player THAT would be next to Barmore. But I really don't know much more about him

Here's a question - assuming we DO trade down. What should we expect back from trading down say 5 -10-15 slots At what point should we expect getting back a 2nd rounder. Day 2 will have a LOT of really good players in it and I would love to have another 2nd rounder, but how far to you have to go down to get it/

BTW- I see TE as being a bigger need than WR. Henry and Geiseki are only signed for THIS season and it takes a year or 2 for TE's to make an impact. 2nd highest learning curve after QB supposedly.

 

[Froob]

Ideal would be Paris Johnson or Christian Gonzalez there at 14. Don’t think it’ll happen, tho.

Rather get Broderick. Broderick is a freak for a T. It’s surprising he didn’t end up on defense.

 

[TomPatriot]

I love this mock draft

7-round mock draft: Trade-happy Patriots add several instant starters

The Patriots get better from both rookies and veterans in this mock draft.

www.patspulpit.com

Me too. Smith at CB is a real sleeper, btw.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I agree with most of your takes of what will be there at 14 come the end of the month.

I don't see WR out there that is worth the 14th pick though JSN MIGHT be, but he's likely to be gone. QJ has the best size speed potential, but that's what it is POTENTIAL, the bust risk is too high.

OT and CB are the 2 obvious positional needs. I was hoping that Jones might fall to us. I'm not sure I'd pick Skoronski that high since there are some that see him as a G and we got 2 good ones there. If Witherspoon is there I'd say we'd have to take him. Porter isn't quite as polished but has a LOT of potential and SIZE.

Kancey is a REAL interesting possibility. Who wouldn't want to draft the next Aaron Donald. What an impact player THAT would be next to Barmore. But I really don't know much more about him

Here's a question - assuming we DO trade down. What should we expect back from trading down say 5 -10-15 slots At what point should we expect getting back a 2nd rounder. Day 2 will have a LOT of really good players in it and I would love to have another 2nd rounder, but how far to you have to go down to get it/

BTW- I see TE as being a bigger need than WR. Henry and Geiseki are only signed for THIS season and it takes a year or 2 for TE's to make an impact. 2nd highest learning curve after QB supposedly.

I agree that OT and CB are greater needs, but I think the top prospects at. both will be gone by #14. TE is also a need longer term, and Kincaid wouldn’t be a bad pick there, but it would take longer to reap the benefits of the pick. I would only take Robinson at RB there, but that’s because a guy who should be a top 5 pick is still available at #14. I would be happy with JSN or Flowers at 14 because both would provide an immediate impact, and really improve their ability to put points up, especially in games where 21 points isn’t going to cut it. I know most here hate the Flowers pick at #14, but I think the best comparison to him is Jalen Waddle, and it would give Jones the immediate release valve that Brady had with Welker and Edelman for the second half of his career. Ultimately I think that there is very little chance they will pick at #14, so once again the prospects we like the most will be gone, and they will fill the needs we want filled with prospects that come off the board after the first round. But at least we won’t have to wait until 11:30 EST to see them trade out of the first round.