Which Patriot rookie will be a star?

[DarrylS]

Gonna vote for Chung, after the long thread about what we can expect of him in March, on paper he looks the best...

Not much more we can go on, until September or maybe December...

 

[bigcountry75]

I wonder how you figured he has lost a step. In the down the field in screen plays for faulk and wr bubble screens futher down then mankins and koppen. In plays we pull a OL he is the only OL who can pull as again he is faster than mankins and koppen.

Voll is not going be able to do the above as with size and height he is going to loss the quick feet and to squeze between the center and gaurd on pulling plays.
why do you hate all the WR ,RB bubble screens and OL pulling runs.we seem to do good i do not understand you want to get less effective.

If you know anything about the O-line you would know that the LT is your anchor tackle. You want a guy there that is big strong and does have good footwork to protect the qb's backside. You don't have to run a 4.4 to play LT. Look at some of the stud OT's in the NFL. You had Ogden (Huge Anchor), you have Pace (Huge Anchor), Mckinnie (Huge Anchor), Walter Jones (Huge Anchor). They purposely have those guys playing LT. The RT position is better suited for someone a little more athletic that they can pull and lead screens with. that is all I am saying. I have played LT for 6 years now including college and Semi-pro ball. I am 6'7" 360lbs and have pretty good feet. In case you ask I didn't make it to any combines because I blew my knee out, tore some ligaments in my shoulder and have a couple herniated discs in my back. I do have a sense for what I am talking about from experience.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

If you know anything about the O-line you would know that the LT is your anchor tackle. You want a guy there that is big strong and does have good footwork to protect the qb's backside. You don't have to run a 4.4 to play LT. Look at some of the stud OT's in the NFL. You had Ogden (Huge Anchor), you have Pace (Huge Anchor), Mckinnie (Huge Anchor), Walter Jones (Huge Anchor). They purposely have those guys playing LT. The RT position is better suited for someone a little more athletic that they can pull and lead screens with. that is all I am saying. I have played LT for 6 years now including college and Semi-pro ball. I am 6'7" 360lbs and have pretty good feet. In case you ask I didn't make it to any combines because I blew my knee out, tore some ligaments in my shoulder and have a couple herniated discs in my back. I do have a sense for what I am talking about from experience.

While I agree with your point as a general practice in the NFL, Coach Scarnecchia has worked on building both sides the same. Light and Kaczur are very similar players, the same with Mankins and Neal. Dante runs Tackle-pulling plays and he gets his Tackles upfield blocking on bubble screens and such regularly. That said, Welcome! I hope you'll find time during the season to post your analysis of the line play so we can discuss and compare (I was a 120 lb. two-way G in high school a few decades back so my analytical approach is mostly self taught and I love it when someone more current and experienced pitches in to edjumacate me.)

 

[N.Eman]

'PAT' the chung!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got high hopes for this kid not only for his college record, but for the heart he has at ever snap. Don't think he'll be productive like last year DROY Jerod Mayo, but certainly will put a dent at every receiver who dares go in the middle.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I have played LT for 6 years now including college and Semi-pro ball. I am 6'7" 360lbs and have pretty good feet. In case you ask I didn't make it to any combines because I blew my knee out, tore some ligaments in my shoulder and have a couple herniated discs in my back. I do have a sense for what I am talking about from experience.

Remind me not to call you "Girly mon" when I disagree with your posts.

 

[italian pat patriot]

Chung took my vote

 

[Synovia]

You don't have to run a 4.4 to play LT. Look at some of the stud OT's in the NFL. You had Ogden (Huge Anchor), you have Pace (Huge Anchor), Mckinnie (Huge Anchor), Walter Jones (Huge Anchor). They purposely have those guys playing LT. The RT position is better suited for someone a little more athletic that they can pull and lead screens with. that is all I am saying. I have played LT for 6 years now including college and Semi-pro ball. I am 6'7" 360lbs and have pretty good feet. I

I really think you have the two positions mixed up.


Pace, Ogden, and Jones, at their peak, were the best ATHLETES on the field. IIRC, Ogden was a pretty good power forward. When they say a guy "looks like hes a RT" when they're talking the combine, its because he doesn't move well.


RT tends to be gigantic guys who are good at run drive blocking, while LT tends to need the agile guy.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Remind me not to call you "Girly mon" when I disagree with your posts.

You worried he'll kiss you? That was Namath, the OL usually just drip on you.

 

[PATSNUTme]

I am 6'7" 360lbs and have pretty good feet. Posted by BigCountry

I just saw a woman at the Grand Opening of the Super Wal-Mart that a was 5'7" and 360 pounds and I don't think she could see her feet.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I'm going with Chung first because he's the enforcer that the Pats need in the secondary. Hopefully he can develop fast and make an impact.

But I've also got my eye out on Butler. He could be very good in the future. He has the athleticism and agility you want in a cornerback.

 

[bigcountry75]

I really think you have the two positions mixed up.


Pace, Ogden, and Jones, at their peak, were the best ATHLETES on the field. IIRC, Ogden was a pretty good power forward. When they say a guy "looks like hes a RT" when they're talking the combine, its because he doesn't move well.


RT tends to be gigantic guys who are good at run drive blocking, while LT tends to need the agile guy.

You are right that they were all great athletes but just because I say huge anchor doesn't mean there feet have to be anchored to the ground. If you are even in an NFL camp you have athletic ability. What I am saying is that you want that big strong guy covering your qb's backside. Now I was already taking into account the fact that reports have said that Vollmer has great feet for his size. If he was a big stationery guy then yes I would agree and say he should play RT. I feel that with his size, strength, feet and a big one WING SPAN to keep the pass rushers away from his body, he will be a great LT. I know our weak spot is RT and maybe it is better to not mess up the chemistry of the left side of the line and start him at RT but in a year or two he will and or should be starting at LT. That is my opinion but from what I have seen and or played against I feel it is an educated one.

P.S. I played small college ball and Played against Derrick Ward and I actually physically went against DeDe Dorsey. Dorsey played a stand up D-end position along with runningback in college. He was a hell of an athlete but my size (I played at about 300-320lbs) and Wing Span allowed me to get my hands on him quickly and keep him from using his speed against me.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

You are right that they were all great athletes but just because I say huge anchor doesn't mean there feet have to be anchored to the ground. If you are even in an NFL camp you have athletic ability. What I am saying is that you want that big strong guy covering your qb's backside. Now I was already taking into account the fact that reports have said that Vollmer has great feet for his size. If he was a big stationery guy then yes I would agree and say he should play RT. I feel that with his size, strength, feet and a big one WING SPAN to keep the pass rushers away from his body, he will be a great LT. I know our weak spot is RT and maybe it is better to not mess up the chemistry of the left side of the line and start him at RT but in a year or two he will and or should be starting at LT. That is my opinion but from what I have seen and or played against I feel it is an educated one.

P.S. I played small college ball and Played against Derrick Ward and I actually physically went against DeDe Dorsey. Dorsey played a stand up D-end position along with runningback in college. He was a hell of an athlete but my size (I played at about 300-320lbs) and Wing Span allowed me to get my hands on him quickly and keep him from using his speed against me.

I concur, after catching up on my Vollmer homework I felt he was intended to be Light's successor at LT. Dante has been moving towards increasing the wing span and weight at both tackle positions starting with picking Britt up off the scrap heap and running him through his 'academy.' O'Callaghan, LeVoir, and now Vollmer are more of the same. I expect the five "starters" to hang onto their jobs, but with Mankins, Neal, and Kaczur all up for renewal after this season, Dante has the flexibility to move Light to fill one of those slots and start Vollmer. It should be a fun summer watching the O-line come together, if I was Yates, Hochstein, Britt, and O'Callaghan I'd not make long term plans.

 

[MVPatsfan13]

I voted for Chung, Butler, & Brace. I feel chung will be in the league for 10-15 years, hopefully all with the pats. He may not make highlight reels, but he will do exactly what BB wants with the athleticism that "we" want and will get in on gameday early because of his ST play. Butler will be like Hobbs&Samuel rolled into one, great return guy that can still cover all day and actually get picks in our "soft-cover2". And I feel that Brace will not be a star by any means, but will be highly regarded by our coaching staff, which is good enought for me