When available and healthy, Gordon >>>>>> Cooks

[rochrist]

Its not even close.

Yeah. 28 catches for 505 yards (18 yards a catch) over 5 games is pretty awful.

 

[Angelpats]

Its not even worth a debate. Cooks is the better wr when all things are considered. If Gordon can play to his potential for the next 5 years..then we have something to talk about.

We only need Gordon to help us win a Super Bowl then there’s enough to talk about. We have seen what Cooks did in the big game. If he had more grey matter the outcome could have been different.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yeah. 28 catches for 505 yards (18 yards a catch) over 5 games is pretty awful.

Yep I love Gordon just like the next guy but he hasn't put up a 100yds game in a Pats uni yet. I don't think any of us would be complaining with a year Two Cooks with Eldelman if things had work out either.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

It looked like Gordon might have got a concussion on that long bomb where the DB pass interfered him to prevent the touchdown

Watch that play in slow mo, he smashes his head directly into the ground.. and it was a bit of a snapping motion of his hips as they hit that sort of accelerates his top half into the ground

He landed and was shaken up, got up slowly and then started shaking his head a bunch



Did he ever go into concussion protocol? I remember him going under the blue tent for something, but i forgot if it was after that play or not

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Yeah. 28 catches for 505 yards (18 yards a catch) over 5 games is pretty awful.

Cooks is a better fit in the Rams offense, no doubt, but that offense is also stacked with superstars everywhere. I'm not saying Cooks is not a good/great player, just that Gordon brings a lot more, and in particular to this system. I'd still take easily Cooks over Gordon (if I didn't have to pay Cooks $16M per year) because of Gordon's obvious issues. But if both were healthy and not suspended for drugs, Gordon without question. Two games that showed me a lot about Cooks: at Miami (where Gronkowski was out and the team could do absolutely nothing), and in SB52 (when Cooks was out and the offense didn't miss a beat, and in fact looked more in rhythm.) I don't think anyone can deny that even with Cooks production last year, something always just didn't seem right with his chemistry with Brady or his fit in this offense. Much better than some other failures here, but still not enough to justify making him "the guy" to build around and give him the mega bucks.

 

[PatsFan2]

Brady needs to stop lofting the deep balls, looks like he's afraid that he might overthrow the guy and as a result he's not throwing those with authority. Zing it out there. On the Gordon incompletion, he left it too short. On the Gronk completion on the last drive, same thing but Gronk caught it. He never hits the guy in stride out there. Contrast with Mahomes on his 2 deep completions, he fired those and it's not a question of arm strength.

I know he's not liked around here but Big Ben is another Super one when throwing Deep he rarely misses them in stride. Brady and the deep unless he's throwing the Gronk *sighs*.

 

[PatsFan2]

It looked like Gordon might have got a concussion on that long bomb where the DB pass interfered him to prevent the touchdown

Watch that play in slow mo, he smashes his head directly into the ground.. and it was a bit of a snapping motion of his hips as they hit that sort of accelerates his top half into the ground

He landed and was shaken up, got up slowly and then started shaking his head a bunch



Did he ever go into concussion protocol? I remember him going under the blue tent for something, but i forgot if it was after that play or not

It said that he went to the medical tent.

 

[cstjohn17]

Its not even close.

I disagree, Cooks was not perfect but changed how teams defended the Pats. Even in a year where he didn't meet expectations of every Patriot fan he still had damn good numbers.

Cooks- 2017
65 Catches
1,082 yards <- 25% of Brady's pass
16.6 per catch <-- huge number
7 TDs <-- big number

Plays that don't show up on the stat sheet include the numerous pass interference penalties he drew (think Jacksonville playoff game).

I still have no idea what he was doing in the superbowl when he got knocked out,
but it was a big loss for the team and hurt their chances.


So I say not so fast, Gordon is Captain Potential nothing more.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I know he's not liked around here but Big Ben is another Super one when throwing Deep he rarely misses them in stride. Brady and the deep unless he's throwing the Gronk *sighs*.

Look, I don't have the numbers, but I'd wager a lot that my general take here is pretty accurate. Big Ben absolutely does not "rarely miss" receivers in stride. He throws downfield way more than Brady and has receivers that are much better deep threats. I've watched the Steelers a lot, and a deep pass is really not a high percentage play, not just with the Steelers and Roethlisberger but with any team. If you watch a lot of highlights, of course you'll see a lot of deep connections, but what you miss is that this team is largely "boom or bust" on offense throughout the last three-four years. They have a lot of games where the deep ball just doesn't work and the offense looks horrible and a lot of games where they land a handful of long passes. In general, though, it's a small sample size with Brady; for example, we saw Dorsett just drop a perfect pass a few weeks away which would have been 50+ yards; Gordon could have caught that pass if he didn't get tackled, and it looked perfect. If those had been caught, he goes from being one of the worst deep ball throwers in the league, based on QB rating, to one of the best. Brady threw two excellent deep passes to Gronkowski. We really zero in on a few misses, but deep balls are just much harder to complete for any QB. I don't think Brady has any issues with throwing deep at all.

 

[50-yard-line]

That deep pass against the Chiefs resulting in an end zone DPI where Gordon practically still caught it despite being tackled...that was probably the best (and fastest) route a wide receiver has run for Brady on a deep ball since Moss. Brady also missed him later in the game (and almost got picked) when Gordon was well behind the defender and getting more separation...it was a great play to break up that INT. One thing that Gordon has that these WRs almost never have in the Patriots offense is closing speed. He beats guys on those last few feet because of his length and long strides, to go along with elite speed. It’s a sight to behold, even if it isn’t immediately paying off like Moss. That’s one thing that bugged everyone about Cooks; he had to have extreme separation to make a play because he couldn’t win contested balls and has such relatively short strides. That’s also where having that ridiculous strength (look at Gordon’s arms and legs compared to Cooks - muscle mass vs twigs) actually matters.

You’ll see the speed soon if you haven’t yet. To me he looks capable of taking a routine slant all the way.

KC linebacker clipped his leg on that one slant - Gordon was one step from running free. Would have been fun to watch.

 

[supafly]

It looked like Gordon might have got a concussion on that long bomb where the DB pass interfered him to prevent the touchdown

Watch that play in slow mo, he smashes his head directly into the ground.. and it was a bit of a snapping motion of his hips as they hit that sort of accelerates his top half into the ground

He landed and was shaken up, got up slowly and then started shaking his head a bunch



Did he ever go into concussion protocol? I remember him going under the blue tent for something, but i forgot if it was after that play or not

I saw him grab something in the front near the collarbone. At the time I commented that I thought it could be the shoulder, since he landed very hard on the left side. I was genuinely concerned and even a bit surprised to see him back out there.

I don’t know that we’ll ever know the answer, but it’s great to see him on the field!

 

[fnordcircle]

We only need Gordon to help us win a Super Bowl then there’s enough to talk about. We have seen what Cooks did in the big game. If he had more grey matter the outcome could have been different.

I'm beyond over this ****ing stupid talking point. You guys are really calling Cooks stupid for a bad cut in a split second?

 

[Angelpats]

I'm beyond over this ****ing stupid talking point. You guys are really calling Cooks stupid for a bad cut in a split second?

No, for trying to jump over the defender when he could have run for a first down.

 

[fnordcircle]

No, for trying to jump over the defender when he could have run for a first down.

Again, it was a single moment in time, he made the wrong move and people are trying to use it to bash his football IQ as he heads out the door. It's silly.

He's a great player and even though I supported the move to get rid of him (we got a higher 1st round pick out of the deal, iirc) but this repeated thing that one move on the field is indicative of him being dumber than Ochocinco or whatever is some seriously "he always sucked" type crap that people love to level at departing players.

 

[Angelpats]

Again, it was a single moment in time, he made the wrong move and people are trying to use it to bash his football IQ as he heads out the door. It's silly.

He's a great player and even though I supported the move to get rid of him (we got a higher 1st round pick out of the deal, iirc) but this repeated thing that one move on the field is indicative of him being dumber than Ochocinco or whatever is some seriously "he always sucked" type crap that people love to level at departing players.

Not saying he is stupid. It’s was a stupid play, one of two in that game. Everyone does stupid stuff. Like some of Bradys Super Bowl brain fart ints.

 

[fnordcircle]

Not saying he is stupid. It’s was a stupid play, one of two in that game. Everyone does stupid stuff. Like some of Bradys Super Bowl brain fart ints.

Then I guess I don't know why you'd bring it up. On the list of football venal sins I'd say it's more forgivable than the times that it looks like Gordon has made the wrong adjustment while on the Pats, for instance.

 

[carmelo15]

Has a WR picked up our offense and gained Bradys trust as quick as Gordon has. That should tell us something right there

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

We only need Gordon to help us win a Super Bowl then there’s enough to talk about. We have seen what Cooks did in the big game. If he had more grey matter the outcome could have been different.

Hey we all have a right to an opinion. Personally, In order for me to consider Gordon a better WR than cooks hes gotta prove it over an extended period of time. Gordon may be the better fit here, given his traits..but thats not what im talking about.

 

[Angelpats]

Then I guess I don't know why you'd bring it up. On the list of football venal sins I'd say it's more forgivable than the times that it looks like Gordon has made the wrong adjustment while on the Pats, for instance.

Well this is a cooks thread discussing who we think is better. It’s all opinions so really didn’t want to upset anyone just wanted contribute and have a rolling thread. Gordon is new here and learning and developing trust and has the potential to really help us out. Cooks has his stats and was a real good player for us. In the end though I see more potential from Gordon; fast, big, track the ball, larger catch radius, smart, and great hands.

 

[QuantumMechanic]