What a pathetic, sad, hopeless performance

[Brady'sButtBoy]

The defense actually gave the O a chance to win this game, despite their horrific 3rd down performance. Through the midpoint of the 3rd quarter the D had only given up 13 points. Then the Pitt TD after the Slater fumble would have required a miracle stop, but the D did limit Pitt to just a field goal after the next two turnovers in NE territory - hardly "terrible" play.

McDaniel had a mixed game, I thought they were too conservative in the first half and it cost them later just like it did in the Jets game. And how many times can you run that counter play with Faulk? Sure he a few nice gains but we needed TD quickly and that play wasn't causing Pitt much indigestion when you considered the scoreboard.

I was screaming for BB to replace Hobbs as KO reurner because we couldn't afford him getting hurt but (and I think in the long run Slater will be a solid pro) putting the rookie back there as the team is reeling from a TO didn't seem like the correct choice.

Pitt was doubting themselves until the TO festival struck, they were ready to be beaten, the O screwed it up. And I agree that TB wins this game - the second strip sack was weak on Cassel's part, I remember TB learning to keep two hands on the ball in close quarters, especially after getting burned once.

I appreciate his effort, but O'Neal just stinks. How I steamed while he danced after finally making a play...

Watson is becoming a total disaster as a first rounder, he's nearly invisible then he drops the ball (or fumbles).

Light should have had some help on those strip sacks (Faulk, who played his heart out, missed his cut block on one of the strips) or Cassel should have known he didn't have any and made sure he got rid of the ball early.
McDaniel bears some fault here for the protection calls.

Cassel was bad and good, both the nervous short arming dude of the early season, and the confident pocker bomber of the last 4-6 weeks.

This team's in-game pysche is much more fragile than when TB is playing...who can blame them?

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Light should have had some help on those strip sacks (Faulk, who played his heart out, missed his cut block on one of the strips) or Cassel should have known he didn't have any and made sure he got rid of the ball early.

On the first strip sack Morris was the RB and released into his pattern without chipping, running right by Harrison who had already beaten Light off the snap. On the second strip sack Pit created an overload on the right side so Faulk was over there to pick up a blitzer leaving Light to try and handle Harrison rushing with no need to honor the run.

 

[bronk37]

the dissapointing part is this team is not defending its home turf very well, good teams usually win at home

 

[abejarano12]

I was very angry at the teams preformance in this game. I felt that the way the team was playing they could have made it a close game and pulled it out in the end but it seemed like the didn't care at all in the second half.

 

[pheenix11]

I came in looking for the Matt Light Sucks thread, but this will have to do.

Umm, Matt Light SUCKS. I am sick and tired of seeing this pathetic excuse for a left tackle let our QB get hit like a friggin pinata.

BB, please, for the love of God, draft an LT next year because you sure as hell don't have one now. Light is a human turnstyle, HE SUCKS

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

On the first strip sack Morris was the RB and released into his pattern without chipping, running right by Harrison who had already beaten Light off the snap. On the second strip sack Pit created an overload on the right side so Faulk was over there to pick up a blitzer leaving Light to try and handle Harrison rushing with no need to honor the run.

OK, I seemed to remember that it was Faulk that missed that chip, thanks for setting me straight. It wasn't a very good technique by Morris, so it makes more sense it was him since Faulk usually does a better job.

As an astute observer of the game, BOR, given that Pitt was making hay with their pass rush and he had just been whacked for a fumble, do you feel Cassel should have been more protective of the ball on the second strip? Two hands on that ball (and/or the ball closer to his body) and he probably hangs on since it was more of a glancing blow than the first one (Light pushed him by Cassel fairly quickly).

 

[JSn]

I hate to say it, but Light was the biggest disaster on the day. NOT being a long time fan (yet) I have the luxury to say that. I know it's probably hard when you've watched his whole career unfold.

Cassel said the LT is a QB's best friend. I guess Light doesn't care much for Cassel. Both strip sacks were authored by James Harrison and both came against Matt Light.

Kaczur has been playing great at RT (yet I do love the guys who yack about him because they think it's still true that he's a turn-style). Kaczur is also a viable option at LT, though after so long at RT he might not have it anymore.

Something has to happen, those blind-side attacks are the key to stopping the Cassel machine.

Blame Matt Cassel if you like, but I think after being failed by his O-Line and SUPERSTAR WR at big moments, he got skiddish and became a mistake machine. There's mental toughness, and then there's the almost absolute positude (hehe) that you WILL get screwed over by your own team.

The defense was probably almost 100% better this week. Can they keep that pace of growth up to finish the season? They'll have to be sharp to finish off the Cards, but I can't see losing any of the other games, especially is Losman is finishing the year in Buffalo.

I can't wait to see Tom back on the field, but for this year (which is almost done) it's not him and we really have to just shut up about "If Tom where there." I don't think they win that game even with him. Fumble a Kick-Off, drop perfect passes, and fail to protect the pocket, you lose the game. No question about it.

 

[Mangold74]

I hate to say it, but Light was the biggest disaster on the day. NOT being a long time fan (yet) I have the luxury to say that. I know it's probably hard when you've watched his whole career unfold.

Cassel said the LT is a QB's best friend. I guess Light doesn't care much for Cassel. Both strip sacks were authored by James Harrison and both came against Matt Light.

Kaczur has been playing great at RT (yet I do love the guys who yack about him because they think it's still true that he's a turn-style). Kaczur is also a viable option at LT, though after so long at RT he might not have it anymore.

Something has to happen, those blind-side attacks are the key to stopping the Cassel machine.

Blame Matt Cassel if you like, but I think after being failed by his O-Line and SUPERSTAR WR at big moments, he got skiddish and became a mistake machine. There's mental toughness, and then there's the almost absolute positude (hehe) that you WILL get screwed over by your own team.

The defense was probably almost 100% better this week. Can they keep that pace of growth up to finish the season? They'll have to be sharp to finish off the Cards, but I can't see losing any of the other games, especially is Losman is finishing the year in Buffalo.

I can't wait to see Tom back on the field, but for this year (which is almost done) it's not him and we really have to just shut up about "If Tom where there." I don't think they win that game even with him. Fumble a Kick-Off, drop perfect passes, and fail to protect the pocket, you lose the game. No question about it.

JSN would you feel confident going forward with this team if Tom Brady didn't exist and Cassel was the qb for the next 10 years?

Also I think Harrison deserves a lot of credit. Light gets beat on occasion but for most of his his career he has a very solid tackle.

 

[JSn]

JSN would you feel confident going forward with this team if Tom Brady didn't exist and Cassel was the qb for the next 10 years?

Also I think Harrison deserves a lot of credit. Light gets beat on occasion but for most of his his career he has a very solid tackle.

No, I'm not one of the "Trady" guys, not at all.

I just think we always want to blame the QB.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

actually, it was more than just light letting the defender by..........cassel was holding the ball so that his arm was behind him which is a pretty big no-no in the shotgun........light actually did his job to keep the qb from getting hit as cassel was still standing after both fumbles.......

when all you have to do is tap the QB on the arm to cause the fumble, then the QB is not protecting the ball while in the pocket

 

[Mangold74]

No, I'm not one of the "Trady" guys, not at all.

I just think we always want to blame the QB.

It's easy to blame the QB, he is the player everyone is looking at on every play. I think Cassel has done a nice job for you guys but I'm not sold that he's going to be another teams savior.

 

[Deus Irae]

It's easy to blame the QB, he is the player everyone is looking at on every play. I think Cassel has done a nice job for you guys but I'm not sold that he's going to be another teams savior.

Probably depends upon the team. The Vikings could conceivably improve greatly with just a Trent Dilfer level of upgrade, while a team like the lions would need 4 Tom Bradys.

 

[signbabybrady]

It's easy to blame the QB, he is the player everyone is looking at on every play. I think Cassel has done a nice job for you guys but I'm not sold that he's going to be another teams savior.

Like the previous poster just said depends where he ends up. If he goes to the lions he likely wont be there savior but a team like the Vikings or my favorite option the Bucs and he could be a piece that puts them over the top. He shown he has a good arm, more importantly he doesn't make stupid costly throws very often, he scrambles very well, and he is still in his first season since highschool so the ceiling is pretty high.

I am completely sold that he could be some certain teams savior. Any team that thinks they are a good team and a QB shy should be looking very hard at him.

Also when he gets to his new team they will have an offseason and a future to mold an offense around him rather than him working in an offense molded around Tom.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Like the previous poster just said depends where he ends up. If he goes to the lions he likely wont be there savior but a team like the Vikings or my favorite option the Bucs and he could be a piece that puts them over the top. He shown he has a good arm, more importantly he doesn't make stupid costly throws very often, he scrambles very well, and he is still in his first season since highschool so the ceiling is pretty high.

I am completely sold that he could be some certain teams savior. Any team that thinks they are a good team and a QB shy should be looking very hard at him.

Also when he gets to his new team they will have an offseason and a future to mold an offense around him rather than him working in an offense molded around Tom.

His biggest weakness is pocket presence and if he is to succeed on another team he needs to learn it and fast...and a LT who knows how to slow down pass rushers (yes,Its a dig on Light) would be good as well

 

[JSn]

His biggest weakness is pocket presence and if he is to succeed on another team he needs to learn it and fast...and a LT who knows how to slow down pass rushers (yes,Its a dig on Light) would be good as well

So are you saying he got lucky in the Jets and Dolphins games in avoiding the rush? Just so we're clear.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

So are you saying he got lucky in the Jets and Dolphins games in avoiding the rush? Just so we're clear.

As mud, Mr. all caps PA must be going through amphetamines like breath mints just to keep breathing given the wake he's been holding for NE since the KC game.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

OK, I seemed to remember that it was Faulk that missed that chip, thanks for setting me straight. It wasn't a very good technique by Morris, so it makes more sense it was him since Faulk usually does a better job.

As an astute observer of the game, BOR, given that Pitt was making hay with their pass rush and he had just been whacked for a fumble, do you feel Cassel should have been more protective of the ball on the second strip? Two hands on that ball (and/or the ball closer to his body) and he probably hangs on since it was more of a glancing blow than the first one (Light pushed him by Cassel fairly quickly).

On the second strip I think Cassel should have made a faster decision to get the ball out, but Pit does have a good defense and most likely showed him something he hadn't seen before - he's still inexperienced and being placed in the position of trying to make a comeback against that defense... I give him a pass, he really played an overall decent game, just a little more help from his receivers and Special Teams and the team is right there battling for the W when time expires.

I've said it elsewhere, Special Teams had a meltdown and Slater's muff was just the more obvious error. Even with the receivers doing their Detroit Lions impression, the Pats were still in the game. Special Teams allowed a couple big returns and had multiple penalties to kill good returns by the Pats. Seely has his work cut out to get those guys tuned up this week and during the extra work they can get in during their West Coast layover.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

JSN would you feel confident going forward with this team if Tom Brady didn't exist and Cassel was the qb for the next 10 years?

Also I think Harrison deserves a lot of credit. Light gets beat on occasion but for most of his his career he has a very solid tackle.

If Brady wasn't available, I'd be very pleased to have Cassel going forward. Frankly, the list of QBs I'd like if Brady and Cassel weren't available is very limited: Pennington, Quinn, Hasselbeck, Ryan, C.Palmer. Those are really the only QBs I'd be happy seeing if Tommy or Mattyice weren't around. You can make an argument for Peyton, and I'm sure he and BB could work together, but I've never liked him tossing his teammates under the bus and I'm not sold on him without an elite surrounding cast.

 

[JSn]

If Brady wasn't available, I'd be very pleased to have Cassel going forward. Frankly, the list of QBs I'd like if Brady and Cassel weren't available is very limited: Pennington, Quinn, Hasselbeck, Ryan, C.Palmer.

If Tom can't go, Matt is the #1 choice in my books. Young, system programmed and progressing at the speed of a Wild Thing Fastball (with better accuracy).

B. Quinn would not make my list however, no offense (like he generated while starting) to BOR.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

B. Quinn would not make my list however, no offense (like he generated while starting) to BOR.

I'll sick my kittens on you. :enranged: