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    Winovich showed more in that 30 second twitter highlights video than Bequette ever showed. I remember watching Bequette college highlights wondering what exactly he did that made him a good pick.
     
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    How is his ceiling mostly reached?
     
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    I'm experiencing such an aroused state of confusion right now. Or a confused state of arousal. Or just confusion. :(
     
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    I didn't focus on Winovich as much as I should have pre-draft, because I fell into the "replacement" trap. The Patriots had to "replace" Trey Flowers, so I spent a lot of time looking at similar-style players. D'oh. If instead you just look at what Winovich brings to the table and how that could improve the roster, he leaps out.

    He had the fastest 10-yard split and shuttle and 2nd-fastest cone time of any DE in the draft. Even among tight ends, only "athletic freak" Noah Fant rivaled his quickness times. He's a really interesting weapon, and should be hard for mobile QBs to escape from.
     
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    Clayborn got a bad rap here, but his pressure rate was the best on the team. After we traded for Bennett and granted Clayborn his release, I wondered if we wanted to replace Clayborn's frenetic energy off the edge, but in a more controlled manner. Winovich seems perfect for that.

    Historically, age has been a good cutoff when looking at 43 DE success in the pros, just like with WR. A 24 year old EDGE beating a 19 year old LT is less impressive/predictive than someone who outperforms his peers. I'm not too worried about Winovich, though. He may not be a 7 - 9 sack player, but he should provide strong, consistent play against the run while still providing pressure in the pass rush. He's refined with his hands and has underrated explosiveness.
     
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    I don't think we can say anyone entering the league as a rookie has reached their ceiling unless you're talking purely from a physical standpoint.

    He won't get much faster or jump much higher but he can improve his technique, understanding of the game, his role etc... So if he's a " student of the game " type guy then I'd say he'll improve over the next few years or in other words we won't see his ceiling for a few years.

    I guess we'll know more in a year or two.
     
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    Chase better be good at chasing QB's cause he's gonna need a lot of tickets for that Entourage. :D
     
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    Think, Deatrich Wise.

    Older players tend to have less upside. You know what you're getting more or less.

    Appealing to some, like Bill. Turns off others that prefer potential/upside.
     
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    Big thing I like from this kid is that while the physical tools are definitely there, he appears to have a strong emotional toolset too. That's important. This seems to be one of those kids who you don't have to worry about the mental and emotional aspects of the game. He'll have a tough series then pop right back up and be ready to go the next one. come in with a mountain of energy and spend the game working to infect others with his enthusiasm. Looks very much like a future glue guy and leader of the defense. That's almost as important as the physical gifts, which are also fairly impressive.
     
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    I think he will be significantly better than Wise. Winovich is a serious athlete. Absolute steal at 77.
     
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    he's better than Wise.
     
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    Wise was an example. Not comparing the players in terms of who's better.
     
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    caroused?
     
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    I think it is really hard to make that claim. Wise came in and really shocked people with his knack for getting to the QB sans tremendous athleticism. Wise had a "down" year last year, but he also struggled with an ankle injury for most of the year.
     
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    Winovich's all around game is better.
     
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    I think of players like Ninkovich, Edelman, Bruschi etc..

    I don't have a problem with people using the terms " upside " or " ceiling " but don't understand how we could say a player has already reached it before playing a single snap in the NFL because I think NFL success depends on much more than just physical traits.
     
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    I was thinking similar things. Though I think eventually, he will be a good NFL DE in his own right, both as a pass rusher and run defender. His measurables in college were a lot better than Flowers.

    It all comes down to what is he willing to do as a player. Is he willing to do everything to become great. A lot of players have incredible measurables, but never do anything with them, where as other players like Flowers, didn't give a **** about his combine numbers, he cared about becoming a really good player.

    It's funny you mentioned his measurables comparable to TEs, he actually came to Michigan as a TE. Makes you go hmmm. Will he also be a pass catcher ala Vrabel ? Doesn't have the height like Vrabel, but he might have the hands.
     
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