Patriots Pregame Thread Week 6 pregame: Pats @ Raiders

[Patsfan1958]

 

[KCSVEN]

The whole media and fan lynching of BB is kinda sad. Every coach needs a QB. Walsh was 2-14 before montana. knoll didnt do much without a hof QB either. BB didnt have QBs like brady until he got one and he won for 20 yrs. Its always the players and BB himself said it so many times. just because he isnt warm anf fuzzy like other coaches, this never comes out.

It's not just sad, it is insane. In 4 years, he took a a former 3-13 Browns team to 11-5 and a playoff victory and then the next year was in an impossible situation with the move. Using the team record for a coach on a rebuilding team is so stupid yet so commonly used to put him down.
If Belichick was not here, Brady is not here, if Belichick did not decide to replace Bledsoe with Brady and had traded Brady due to Bledsoe being the large contracted and established QB you could say something. Without Belichick there is no Patriots with Brady.
Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning etc.. were all pretty close to Brady level, without Belichick how many did they win? How many would they have won with Belichick? I would so many more!
He's failed at this rebuild, 4 years in they are bad. The mistake was somehow going 7-9 with Cam Newton, going 10-7 with a rookie QB. After those 2 seasons, everyone would agree he was doing a phenomenal job record wise 2 years post Brady. I mean during a rebuild they were in the playoffs 2 years later!
But he should have let the team get bad for a couple seasons first and then do the rebuild, instead he could not fully rebuild and get a franchise QB so it inevitably crashed.
Then the disaster in terms of the offensive coaching decision last year and this year's lack of attention to offense were huge mistakes. Mistakes that probably should get him fired because perhaps he's not the same innovator he used to be and perhaps, like all the greats, he is past his prime. Now there is a 3-4 year rebuild coming, do you want new blood for that? I would think so but let's not act like his record without Brady, where up until the last 2 years he outperformed most of those years, is some ultimate decision maker on Brady vs Belichick. It was both, but it would not have happened without Belichick drafting, developing and playing Brady.

 

[Ross12]

The unlikely resurrections of both Flowers and JC could theoretically go a long way towards helping cover the gaps left by the Judon and Gonzalez injuries. But even if these occur, and the defense manages to still be solid, the offense is still… the offense.

 

[Brewskies]

I haven't read this thread, sorry but I wanted to say that there is a strong rumor that Malik Cunningham may start against the Raiders.

 

[archstanton543]

I haven't read this thread, sorry but I wanted to say that there is a strong rumor that Malik Cunningham may start against the Raiders.

No Mac's already declared as the starter. Cunningham is reported to "more involved with the offense". What that means is anyone's guess.

 

[Uptown]

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I don’t even care if we lose this game or not. I just hope we don’t get our cheeks beat again. The Raiders are actually susceptible on the back end as long as you can get Crosby blocked, which I wouldn’t hold my breath on.

If we lose I want it to be another 30+ point spread. I just wanna accelerate the changes that are desperately needed

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[sb1]

The whole media and fan lynching of BB is kinda sad. Every coach needs a QB. Walsh was 2-14 before montana. knoll didnt do much without a hof QB either. BB didnt have QBs like brady until he got one and he won for 20 yrs. It’s always the players and BB himself said it so many times. just because he isnt warm anf fuzzy like other coaches, this never comes out.

I don’t think many fans are questioning BB’s legacy just whether he’s the right guy to move the 2023 Patriots to better things. Nobody questions Shula’s Noll’s or Landry’s legacy now but at the end of their careers they looked just like Bill does today.

 

[Horace's Ivories]

What's the over/under on Rhamondre's stumble runs?

 

[VJCPatriot]

The Patriots show up to a shootout with a "butter knife" killed me! LOL

I also love how Thuney is used as the perfect example of how to block the ME stunt. Gee we used to have a guy by that name. Oh in fact it's the exact same guy, Joe Thuney! Wow we could have used that guy this season. But nah why pay to keep a guy who you know is good when you can blow a 1st round pick on Cole Strange instead?!

 

[captain stone]

What's the over/under on Rhamondre's stumble runs?

Yeah at least Zeke runs with some conviction; Stevenson not so much any more.

 

[VJCPatriot]

No Mac's already declared as the starter. Cunningham is reported to "more involved with the offense". What that means is anyone's guess.

I'm going to guess they will use Cunningham on a few gadget plays. Looks like they are desperate to get any kind of offense started and they should be.

 

[Brewskies]

No Mac's already declared as the starter. Cunningham is reported to "more involved with the offense". What that means is anyone's guess.

O'Brien said he like what he saw of Malik in practice and he was playing both QB and WR. I wouldn't mind him starting ahead of Jones and Zaffe. They have done nothing. Zaffe was better with McDaniel's offensive plans, Jones also but neither is good with O'Brien.

 

[libra957]

Another winnable game ! as matter of fact there is quite a few of them left on the schedule. This is a salvageable situation if only Mac could stop throwing pick 6s.

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[Fatmancryin]

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[borg]

Teflon Bill

The Patriots reportedly were split on whether to keep Meyers. Eventually, according to Callahan, Belichick was sold by others on the ability of free-agent receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster to gain yards after the catch.

Jakobi Meyers felt unwanted by the Patriots

The Patriots, who have had a hard time developing young receivers under coach Bill Belichick, developed one in Jakobi Meyers.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Mack Herron]