NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION Week 17: NFL Other Games

[yukon cornelius]

Highly unlikely they're forfeiting the Pats game although the backdoor to the Pats there would royally screw the Dolphins and Steelers out of a shot at the playoffs and I'd have my popcorn out for that lol.

supposedly reiss was on 98.5 a little bit ago and this came up, that the bills were discussing forfeits for both games

i only know what i read on the twitter **** show, i avoid the radio **** shows

 

[Ross12]

Highly unlikely they're forfeiting the Pats game although the backdoor to the Pats there would royally screw the Dolphins and Steelers out of a shot at the playoffs and I'd have my popcorn out for that lol.

On one hand, I don't want it to happen because it seems like it sets a bad precedent...

On the other hand, f*** the Dolphins and especially f*** the Steelers, that would be funny as hell.

 

[Kontradiction]

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With that said, this is bigger than football and Hamlin’s health is more important than the game.

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[DaBruinz]

Wouldn't be surprised if we see changes in Shoulder pads where they have an extra protective flap on the left side to help prevent this.. Kinda like the changes they did in Lacrosse.

 

[Jlaff]

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Maybe copy paste that into a new thread instead. Add something about it being your own indepedent opinion. I'm sure @Ross12 won't mind.

 

[catent]

if a construction worker at Gillette died on the job, my guess is that crew would be (forced) back to work as soon as the OSHA inspectors cleared out

i am all for the NFL taking some time on this one (they won't take too much time, because there's millions riding on this, so let's be honest here), but let's not pretend that the average working stiffs would be getting the same treatment

That doesn't make a different course of action wrong, though.

 

[Ross12]

Maybe copy paste that into a new thread instead. Add something about it being your own indepedent opinion. I'm sure @Ross12 won't mind.

Hey, wait a second…

 

[yukon cornelius]

That doesn't make a different course of action wrong, though.

no, which is why i said i am all for them taking their time......

 

[Grogan14]

It is a bit surprising that commotio cordis has not happened before in the long history of the NFL. Keep in mind that this type of injury does NOT necessarily require a pre-existing cardiac arrhythmia or structural abnormality. Basically its the equivalent of taking a sledge hammer with impact directly over the heart, triggering sudden ventricular arrhythmia and severe acute circulation deficiency to heart and brain

What has changed in the game over the past 10-15 years is players have become so much bigger, stronger, faster....the game has become more violent with incredible collisions.
Not sure there is an easy solution (e.g. equipment modifications or rules changes) to some of this risk.
We all love watching the game and the players love playing it...but some of this risk is inherent to the game.

 

[Joker]

"On Aug. 12, 1978, in an exhibition game against the New England Patriots, the hard-hitting Tatum slammed into Stingley with his helmet while the receiver was running a crossing pattern. The blow severed Stingley's fourth and fifth veterbrae and left the receiver paralyzed from the neck down.

The two never met after the hit. Stingley died in 2007.

Tatum was not penalized on the play and the NFL took no disciplinary action, but it did tighten its rules on violent hits. The game resumed".

 

[venecol]

I'm just implying that in terms of organizational process, people should do more than just sit around acting sad, there is nothing wrong with engaging in rational dialog about logistics and what ifs, a process that loops in players/coaches. If they refuse to play then of course you can't force them to, but the consequences should be logically laid out rather than just "let's all feel sad and only think about the player". That's not how decisions should be made, you need people in charge to set aside feelings and think rationally even when it is hard. There are people literally paid to do this. A lot. There are more factors at play than just feelings here. What Skip Bayliss wrote was perfectly reasonable, a tiny slice of what the decision makers were absolutely having to worry about as reasonable people.

In terms of what I think they should have done (which obviously means jack squat) I would have tried to push to play the game if I was an owner or whatever. Also, my guess is if the coaches were Belichick and Reid, they would have finished the game. OTOH, my wife thought I was crazy when I said they should be professionals, finish the game, and rally for the dude who was hurt. But she's an NBA fan where each game is meaningless.

I agree with your wife. Lol

 

[Jlaff]

It is a bit surprising that commotio cordis has not happened before in the long history of the NFL. Keep in mind that this type of injury does NOT necessarily require a pre-existing cardiac arrhythmia or structural abnormality. Basically its teh equivalent of taking a sledge hammer with impact directly over the heart, triggering sudden ventricular arrhythmia and severe acute circulation deficiency to heart and brain

What has changed in the game over the past 10-15 years is players have become so much bigger, stronger, faster....the game has become more violent with incredible collisions.
Not sure there is an easy solution to some of this risk.
We all love watching the game and the players love playing it...but some of this risk is inherent to the game.

That didn't look like a sledge hammer to the heart level hit.

 

[venecol]

ESPN backing up their reporting.

 

[Grogan14]

That didn't look like a sledge hammer to the heart level hit.

Maybe it will turn out that Damar did have some as of yet undetected underlying cardiac abnormality.
It seemed like forceful contact with the top of his chest over the upper part of where his sternum is located.
I agree, it was not by any stretch the most violent or forceful collision in football I have seen.

That is what could be scary for the players....

 

[Jlaff]

ESPN backing up their reporting.

Uh oh. Roger Goodell did say "after talking to coaches I decided to postpone the game". We did see the coaches passing a cell phone back and forth AFTER they decided to go to the locker room.

 

[yukon cornelius]

totally forgot about this....

 

[rochrist]

Maybe it will turn out that Damar did have some as of yet undetected underlying cardiac abnormality.
It seemed like forceful contact with the top of his chest over the upper part of where his sternum is located.
I agree, it was not by any stretch the most violent or forceful collision in football I have seen.

That is what could be scary for the players....

My understanding is that it isn't so much the pure force of the blow as it is the precise timing. Apparently, there is a tiny window in the heart rhythm in which a sharp shock can cause cardiac arrest.

 

[n1997y]

Someone said we are all Bills Mafia tonight (last night)

I am pretty outraged about that

I agree wholeheartedly. Even if I am Bills Mafia for a night I’m outraged at anyone else being presumptuous and speaking for me about it.

 

[catent]

My understanding is that it isn't so much the pure force of the blow as it is the precise timing. Apparently, there is a tiny window in the heart rhythm in which a sharp shock can cause cardiac arrest.

Yep, this is my understanding as well. I don't think it has to be an overwhelmingly hard hit. It has to be a sufficient amount of force, but nothing unimaginable.

When I was a kid, probably around age 10 (this would have been the 2004-2006 timeframe) I played club soccer. I was at a tournament and heard about a goalkeeper who suffered commotio cordis (he died, if I remember correclty). I believe it was due to a collision with another player where he took a head or a knee to the chest.

I didn't personally witness it, but this was a youth tournament, so it's not as if these were large, fully grown adults throwing their bodies around. I can't imagine it was a ton of force, but apparently enough to cause CC.

I was playing pickup football 5 or so years ago and my buddy lowered his shoulder, drilled me right over the heart. Took the wind out of me. I was aware of CC well before then (because of that soccer tournament) and felt pretty nervous for the next hour or two after that collision. I remember researching the timeframe for CC onset and when you're out of the woods. I think it's generally pretty quick, anywhere from seconds to several minutes. Maybe it can occur longer after the initial impact.

I still think it's a possibility this was related to an underlying health condition and not CC, but CC has to be atop the list of likely explanations at this point in time.

 

[n1997y]

if a construction worker at Gillette died on the job, my guess is that crew would be (forced) back to work as soon as the OSHA inspectors cleared out

i am all for the NFL taking some time on this one (they won't take too much time, because there's millions riding on this, so let's be honest here), but let's not pretend that the average working stiffs would be getting the same treatment

I’d bet that there would be a different response, not just timeframe and public expressions, if it happened live on camera before an audience of millions, than if it happened on a gloomy foggy off-season rainy day with no witnesses.