We had 3 Dynasty's since 2001 except...

[Bradyking12]

The second one in technical terms when it comes to titles,

Dynasty 1) 2001-2004 era 3/4SBs

Potential Dynasty 2) 2007-2010, Randy Moss/Wes Welker Era

Dynasty 3) Gronk, Edleman, Dola Butler, etc era) 2/3 SBS and counting/currently outgoing

Its crazy when you look at it except its sad how our second Dynasty (Moss/Welker) era failed to produce SB titles when it obviously had the potential to bring multiple titles but atleast we were able to get another dynastic run going that started with that jumped off with the Butler pick which really got our SB habitual run going again finally but wow its amazing how this team is still going strong after all this time, and omg after all this time our upcoming season is fixing is to be our best yet, what a run and what a life GO PATS!!!!

 

[Tunescribe]

Three dynasties.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not to get parochial but you can say 01-16 is THE dynasty.

It's an evolving thing.

 

[Bradyking12]

Not to get parochial but you can say 01-16 is THE dynasty.

It's an evolving thing.

True but if you were to separate it by eras then thats where I was trying to get at except the second 'Dynasty' failed to produce any titles unfortunately

 

[RobertWeathers]

True but if you were to separate it by eras then thats where I was trying to get at except the second 'Dynasty' failed to produce any titles unfortunately

I get where you were going and it makes total sense. I just have a slightly different take.

When I think of a dynasty , I think of an extended stretch of dominance. It may not translate into a title every year but the team WAS dominant and titles were sprinkled in/around the era in question. That's good enough for me.

The Moss/Welker era is included in that timeline

 

[TB_Helmet]

Yeah it's all one Dynasty. It's the Brady / Belichick era.

For almost two decades, teams have to go through the Patriots if they want to win. When we don't win championships, we are still a force in the league.

All things considered (salary cap, free agency, number of teams in the league) it is probably the greatest run of extended success in American sports history. All because of two men who are the GOAT at their respective jobs.

 

[Bradyking12]

I get where you were going and it makes total sense. I just have a slightly different take.

When I think of a dynasty , I think of an extended stretch of dominance. It may not translate into a title every year but the team WAS dominant and titles were sprinkled in/around the era in question. That's good enough for me.

The Moss/Welker era is included in that timeline

Yea but so heartbreaking the Moss/Welker era didn't atleast bring one to the table even that's an understatement, lets us pull it off in '06 followed by '07 perfect and a non torn acl '08 season almost as close to a 3 peat compared to '14-'16 if '15 didn't get hit with the injury bug, injuries alone cost TB12 and Patriots multiple more Super Bowl titles and you can't get more closer than that

 

[TB_Helmet]

Yea but so heartbreaking the Moss/Welker era didn't atleast bring one to the table even that's an understatement, lets us pull it off in '06 followed by '07 perfect and a non torn acl '08 season almost as close to a 3 peat compared to '14-'16 if '15 didn't get hit with the injury bug, injuries alone cost TB12 and Patriots multiple more Super Bowl titles and you can't get more closer than that

Sure, but the ones we won were essentially coin flips too, at least 4 out of 5 were (not the Eagles win). We could be talking anywhere between 0 and 9 rings. I'm pretty happy with 5, they just aren't distributed evenly.

 

[jmt57]

Two eras within the dynasty thus far.
The third script has yet to be written.

2001-2006 -- defense & run oriented in comparison to the next era.

2007-20?? -- roster management and offensive scheme and play call changes, based on how the game has changed thanks to rules and 'points of emphasis' brought on by the Polian competition committee.

20??-20?? -- the post-Brady era.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yea but so heartbreaking the Moss/Welker era didn't atleast bring one to the table even that's an understatement, lets us pull it off in '06 followed by '07 perfect and a non torn acl '08 season almost as close to a 3 peat compared to '14-'16 if '15 didn't get hit with the injury bug, injuries alone cost TB12 and Patriots multiple more Super Bowl titles and you can't get more closer than that

They should have 2 more. 07 and 11.

 

[Off The Grid]

Just a Refresher...which might be of Interest?

The term "Dynasty" as applied in Sports as Eras of Sustained Excellence/Dominance is in and of itself an aggressive Departure from the fundamental notion of a Dynasty, which is "a sequence of Rulers from the same family, stock, or group."

I see and respect what you're saying, as there've been 3 Chapters in our continuously running Dynasty: Use The Whole Pig, Air Brady, and...Anything Goes!!

But I agree with Brothers Weathers, Helmut, and Jam: When there wasn't a single Year in which we weren't ~ correctly ~ considered legitimate Super Bowl Contenders, you can hardly consider The Greatest Dynasty in FootBall History to've been legitimately interrupted, even if the Flavor evolved, over the Years.

 

[Ring 6]

The second one in technical terms when it comes to titles,

Dynasty 1) 2001-2004 era 3/4SBs

Potential Dynasty 2) 2007-2010, Randy Moss/Wes Welker Era

Dynasty 3) Gronk, Edleman, Dola Butler, etc era) 2/3 SBS and counting/currently outgoing

Its crazy when you look at it except its sad how our second Dynasty (Moss/Welker) era failed to produce SB titles when it obviously had the potential to bring multiple titles but atleast we were able to get another dynastic run going that started with that jumped off with the Butler pick which really got our SB habitual run going again finally but wow its amazing how this team is still going strong after all this time, and omg after all this time our upcoming season is fixing is to be our best yet, what a run and what a life GO PATS!!!!

The second grouping goes to 2011 and shows that the 2 SB losses prevented it.
Although
01,03,04,07,11,14,16....
Would really be one unparalleled dynasty

 

[drewskie]

They should have 2 more. 07 and 11.

You can make the argument that the 07 and 11 teams simply ran into a team in NYG that had the right match ups to limit our offensive dominance (namely rush 4 and still be able to get pressure), and then when you couple that with a slightly hobbled brady in 07 and Gronk's high ankle sprain in 11, not to mention a couple of our guys not being able to make 1 more play (Asante in 07 and Welker in 11) while their guys did (Tyree in 07 and Manningham in 11), you get saddled with a 10 year period with no titles to show for our consistency.

In hindsight, the biggest mistake from 07 or 11 was imo when BB didn't get Gost to kick the FG in SB42 when we decided to go for it and not convert on 4th down. Our leaders including TB in a pre SB42 press conference got a bit over confident I think.

In 14 and 16 we make the key plays to win it. It often comes down to a play or two, its as simple as that. Every team we've had that made the SB in the current era was title worthy obviously. Of note, I do think the 11 defense in particular was the worse of the 7 teams that have made the SB from 2001 until present. And we were still right there.

Hopefully our 17 team will be historic and get number 6 most importantly.

 

[AzPatsFan]

True but if you were to separate it by eras then thats where I was trying to get at except the second 'Dynasty' failed to produce any titles unfortunately

The Second or "Rebuilding" Dynasty era, provided several AFC titles, an undefeated season, the longest regular season win streak in NFL history, and two Super Bowl appearances. But no Lombardi trophies.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Two eras within the dynasty thus far.
The third script has yet to be written.

2001-2006 -- defense & run oriented in comparison to the next era.

2007-20?? -- roster management and offensive scheme and play call changes, based on how the game has changed thanks to rules and 'points of emphasis' brought on by the Polian competition committee.

20??-20?? -- the post-Brady era.

The Bling Dynasty

Foxborough, MA 2000-


Must include BB's initial & TB's rookie season...both together on team from Day One this century.

Proper acknowledgement of Pats' first forty years as original AFL entry yet to happen; best done by restoring logo & uni's...

..."Patriots are an embarrassment" Orthwein can take his $50 million and Budweiser label and shove it.

 

[Bradyking12]

The Bling Dynasty

Foxborough, MA 2000-


Must include BB's initial & TB's rookie season...both together on team from Day One this century.

Proper acknowledgement of Pats' first forty years as original AFL entry yet to happen; best done by restoring logo & uni's...

..."Patriots are an embarrassment" Orthwein can take his $50 million and Budweiser label and shove it.

This the original logo/design technically tho I perfer the ones we have now including the Patriot name over Redskins

 

[brdmaverick]

Yea but so heartbreaking the Moss/Welker era didn't atleast bring one to the table even that's an understatement, lets us pull it off in '06 followed by '07 perfect and a non torn acl '08 season almost as close to a 3 peat compared to '14-'16 if '15 didn't get hit with the injury bug, injuries alone cost TB12 and Patriots multiple more Super Bowl titles and you can't get more closer than that

Ah yes, for some reason we like to torture ourselves with the what if's (present company included).

You noticed what you didn't say though?

If only Jevon Kearse doesn't make a dumb luck catch.

If only Julio Jones doesn't make an incredibly, acrobatic catch on the sideline on a pass that was absolutely perfect.


I get caught in the what ifs every now and then but have to quickly pull myself out and remind myself how we're lucky to have what we have.

 

[brdmaverick]

Another food for thought, some might give Manning 'extra credit' for having won two Super Bowls with two different teams.

Even though Brady had the same logo on his helmet, the '01 and '16 teams were completely different.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

This the original logo/design technically tho I perfer the ones we have now including the Patriot name over Redskins

Thanks! I think this is the original

The 'Skins did move to D.C. in '37

So, we got started as the final entry in the new AFL in '59

Although Pat was adopted as our team logo in '60, he wasn't put on our helmets until '61

Anyway, other legitimate NFL modern era Super Bowl teams like the Cowboys, Niners, Steelers, Packers, Jets, Chiefs and Colts retain their logos and uniforms set in the early Sixties.


I am forced to agree with:

Ranking the best and worst NFL logos, from 1 to 32


Plus it's basically the same thing that was rightly booed out of the stadium in '79, and was perpetrated by James Orthwein, who 100% went along with Patriots hatred and disparagement and intended only to move the team, period. He likely did it to turn off lifelong team fans, but the hiring of Parcells garnered hope and he then took $50 million to go away. Meanwhile his precious namesake Budweiser label remains intact, except when drawn as "America" (vomit)

 

[farn]

I don't like the "what ifs". I understand the logic about 2001-2017 as one big dynasty.

I have been seeing this as two great, seperate groups. The 01-03-04 group I see as a dynasty. This current 2/3 group I see as a second excellent, potential dynasty. I agree that the Moss/Welker crews were exceptional on O & ridiculously fun to watch. But the lack of a title just doesn't make me want to tag them a star anything more than "wow, what an offense NE had".

This current group is impressive. And, if you WANT to play the "what IF" game, it's probable that injuries, not skill got in the way of a third title for this crew.