We Drafting a QB

[Hyped]

It's a tough call. By all accounts MHJ is a day 1 starter w/ All Pro potential in a position of need. Based on value, given the WR contracts, and the need, it's a no brainer safe pick.

Don't know much about Daniels, but there's no unanimous agreement on his potential so there's risk.

Looking at FAcy and the rest of the draft:

FAcy:
WR: there's a few elite receivers available but they'll cost.
QB: only a couple of quality starters that'll probably sign w/ existing teams.

Draft:
WR: deep class, so a day 1 starter can be had in later rounds.
QB: top 3 will be gone in top 10. Are the later round ones good enough to warrant a pick?

Conclusion:
WR: there's good choices to get both in FAcy and later in draft if we pass on MHJ.

QB: not a lot of good choices in FAcy, and risk later in the draft.

To me, if Daniels is the guy then get him. If he's not, then MHJ has to be the pick. A generational receiver on a rookie contract will solve one huge hole on offense. You'd then need to get a bridge vet QB like Brissett.

Then there's the entire LT dialog, which is similar to the QB situation. Now there's word Onwenu is a gone. Does tackle become a higher priority > QB/WR?

Someone has their work cut out for them.

My plan if I were the GM:

1.) Call the Bears and see how much they would want on top of a #3 for #1 swap.
2.) If the Bears want too much, sit pat and take MJH.
3.) Call the Cardinals and see if they want MJH for their 1.04 PLUS???
4.) Repeat the process with Chargers, Giants, Titans, Falcons, and Bears.
5.) If one bites, take Jayden Daniels. If none bite, wait until two of McCarthy, Nix, and Penix go off the board then trade up to take the 3rd and last one. I think 2 out of 3 will be there at #33 anyway.

 

[Mr. Roger Badell]

wow...the format seems a lot tougher to read since last time I was here...it's been a while

 

[cmasspatsfan]

It seems all three top QBs have a question mark, Williams crying and maybe wanting a stake in the team, Maye with his knees, Daniels is too thin, if you want to get a good QB sometimes you have to take a chance, in fact at best it's 60-40 that you get a good NFL QB in the first round.

 

[Grogan14]

I would try to trade for Justin Fields and draft Alt or Harrison

 

[TommyD4207]

I would try to trade for Justin Fields and draft Alt or Harrison

But...why?

 

[50-yard-line]

Oh, I certainly do - and one of the primary techniques of gaslighting is: "It was just a joke."

 

[dliverey44]

If they do not trade back and decide to draft Daniels then I think they need to sign Tyrod Taylor, I think their games are very similar. Tyrod has got much better at reading defense and going through progressions. Hopefully, he is a good/willing mentor.
I played around with several mocks and this turned out the best as far as filling needs.
3. Daniels (QB)
34. Tyler guyton (OT, plays RT in college)
68. Corley (WR)
99. Blake Fisher (also played RT)
I love the idea of bringing in more OL to compete because i am tired f screaming at the TV watching the pocket collapse as fast as it did last year at times.

Once an OC is hired they may decide that Daniels doesn't fit the desired scheme

 

[sambam94]

It’s not. When was being obsessively secretive responsible for us winning games?

well, how would anyone know if any info was kept quiet? That's the point. Mayo babbling his mouth certainly can't help the team, but could potentially harm. So why do it? Just dumb.

 

[Uptown]

It’s not a matter of the top 2 quarterbacks; there are 3 top flight talents. Williams, Maye & Daniels (you know..the Heisman winner..)

 

[Uptown]

I’d love Maye/Daniels & WR Legette.

 

[rochrist]

Not a draftnik or a huge college football watcher, but from what I can see is the biggest and possibly only reason Maye is ranked higher than Daniels is that Daniels is really thin and people wonder if he can stay healthy. I just wonder that with the way the league protects QBs if this as big of an issue as people make it.

Maye has a rifle for an arm. Daniels ....does not.

 

[rochrist]

On the highlight reels posted here, I watched Daniels throw a bunch of balls the wouldn’t have cut it against NFL corners.

No such issue with Maye. He throws a beautiful ball at all 3 levels, and usually where only his guy can get it.

Maye throws a better ball, period, in my opinion.

That was my impression too. A bunch of big plays that would have been big plays for the other team in the NFL.

 

[rochrist]

Position needs to be taken into account and when you consider Best available player. By pure best player logic, you could end up with a kicker in the first round if he’s a stud prospect. 2nd/third best quarterback is more valuable than best player at pretty much any other position.

Third QB who very easily could bust (since most of them do) is not more valuable than Randy Moss.

 

[rochrist]

Bears taking Williams, we are either drafting Daniel’s at 3 or Harrison.
Looks like it will be Harrison at 3 Nix at 34

I'd go for that.

 

[rochrist]

I don’t get the Daniels hate on this board at all. He’s the most accurate passer and by far the most explosive athlete at the position in the draft. Those numbers in the SEC are not an accident. He’s a better prospect than Lamar was coming out.

Daniels this year: 40 TDs 4 INTs, 3800 yards.
Mac Jones last year in college (also SEC) 41 TDs, 4 INTs, 4500 yards.

We know how that worked out.

 

[rochrist]

It’s not a matter of the top 2 quarterbacks; there are 3 top flight talents. Williams, Maye & Daniels (you know..the Heisman winner..)

You keep saying Heisman winner as if that was some sort of predictor for NFL success. Amongst the previous winners in this century we have:

Johnny Manziel
Marcus Mariota
Jamies Winston
Kyler Murray
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Matt Leinart
Troy Smith (who?)
Jason White
Eric Crouch
Chris Weinke

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

It's a tough call. By all accounts MHJ is a day 1 starter w/ All Pro potential in a position of need. Based on value, given the WR contracts, and the need, it's a no brainer safe pick.

Don't know much about Daniels, but there's no unanimous agreement on his potential so there's risk.

Looking at FAcy and the rest of the draft:

FAcy:
WR: there's a few elite receivers available but they'll cost.
QB: only a couple of quality starters that'll probably sign w/ existing teams.

Draft:
WR: deep class, so a day 1 starter can be had in later rounds.
QB: top 3 will be gone in top 10. Are the later round ones good enough to warrant a pick?

Conclusion:
WR: there's good choices to get both in FAcy and later in draft if we pass on MHJ.

QB: not a lot of good choices in FAcy, and risk later in the draft.

To me, if Daniels is the guy then get him. If he's not, then MHJ has to be the pick. A generational receiver on a rookie contract will solve one huge hole on offense. You'd then need to get a bridge vet QB like Brissett.

Then there's the entire LT dialog, which is similar to the QB situation. Now there's word Onwenu is a gone. Does tackle become a higher priority > QB/WR?

Someone has their work cut out for them.

Well put
We obviously do not have detailed information on any of these guys
If Daniels is close to value as MHJ then grab the QB
If he is not too close then it would be rolling the dice
We need to hit on this pick

 

[Toofy]

My plan if I were the GM:

1.) Call the Bears and see how much they would want on top of a #3 for #1 swap.
2.) If the Bears want too much, sit pat and take MJH.
3.) Call the Cardinals and see if they want MJH for their 1.04 PLUS???
4.) Repeat the process with Chargers, Giants, Titans, Falcons, and Bears.
5.) If one bites, take Jayden Daniels. If none bite, wait until two of McCarthy, Nix, and Penix go off the board then trade up to take the 3rd and last one. I think 2 out of 3 will be there at #33 anyway.

Mccarthy is useless. I think you can trade to to 28 without expending major assets and get nix or penix.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Daniels this year: 40 TDs 4 INTs, 3800 yards.
Mac Jones last year in college (also SEC) 41 TDs, 4 INTs, 4500 yards.

We know how that worked out.

Mac had Waddle and Smith
Daniels had Nabors and Thomas Jr

Similar skill position talent for sure.

 

[NashuaPats]

Daniels was not considered a first round pick after 4 years as a starting college quarterback. He broke out this past season in his fifth year. I find that concerning especially when taking into account he was throwing to two of the country’s best receivers. Nabers is considered by most to be the best receiver after Harrison Jr. and Thomas is ranked the 4th or 5th receiver in the draft and a likely late first round pick. He also had a very good tight end in Mason Taylor (Jason Taylor’s son) while throwing behind one of the better offensive lines in the country.

I watched a lot of his passing highlights and they were mostly to wide open receivers. Others were 50/50 balls that his elite receivers were coming down with. Meanwhile his arm strength is mediocre. He’s going to struggle like Mac when threading the needle in the middle of the field and sideline throws.

He is an outstanding runner, but then you have to worry about his physique holding up. He’s not just skinny. He has a slight frame with narrow shoulders and hips.

Williams is certainly going 1 or 2. I’m hoping Maye falls to 3. If not, I think MHJ is the obvious pick.