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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.So Ziegler is like Little Red Riding Hood? And BB is like Grandma? And the Wolf is the Wolf.Thank god Ziegler was there to rebut the horrendous advice Wolf was giving Belichick, Ziegler saved their off-season, Wolf could have destroyed it.
It's awesome how worked up you are over this. I'm so glad we stopped sucking at drafting with Wolf, Groh, and Patricia running the show for BB.
KindaSo Ziegler is like Little Red Riding Hood? And BB is like Grandma? And the Wolf is the Wolf.
Really radical idea: reserve judgment until we see how the players turn out
So glad Ziegler got that promotion, think I will say it in every post for the next 3 years.
No chance in hell that Barmore was there at 46. The next DT went a couple of picks after him - and no one in this class was nearly as highly rated as BarmoreDay 1: Above average (we had the 15th overall pick, after all)
Day 2: Average (gave up way, Way, WAY too much for somebody with that high a bust potential, who doesn't fill a position of great need, and who might very well have been available at #46 anyway)
Day 3: Very, VERY below average (nothing wrong with Stevenson the player, but we needed a WR there, NOT another RB)...The rest of the picks were worthless, UDFA-caliber Crap.
I remember seeing some clips of GRONK at Arizona, and deliberately leaving him off my draft contest entry for fear of jinxing things.“I just wish they’d picked Dez Bryant over Devin McCourty and Sergio Kindle over Rob Gronkowski, so I’ll give them a C-minus” - Consensus opinion in May 2010
He could turn into Edelman 2.0 . . . or Berrios 2.0 . . . or anywhere in between.@mgteich , you absolutely need to subscribe to "The Athletic"....Jeff Howe might be blowing smoke up my arse, but his draft pick articles have me convinced that this was an ABOVE AVERAGE draft AT MINIMUM.....
Just this morning, he had a great Tre Nixon write up...the kid ran a 4.43/40 at his pro day and a laser timed 4.38 in high school....and he has been doing 16 hour days at Gillette..... I now think Ernie got us a MAJOR steal in round 7 there....
Well at least you finally learned something on PatsFans. Good to see you picked that up - it was about time for you to start paying attention. Ziegler was key. What else was important? What else did you learn?
hmm sorry thats to logical for this board, you have to allow the patsfans member to pretend to be smart and knowing whos the best available player in the draft for the patsGenerally, normally people will say, "wait three years" ... I can tell you as someone who is obsessed with this, I'm constantly looking at old classes to see how I did or who's doing well, who's not. Maybe there's a few guys I know can play and just stuck in bad situations.
Like who's the best WR from 2014? A few years ago it's Beckham pretty easy. Mike Evans has been on a borderline HOF pace. Davante Adams has deserves mention. What about Allen Robinson?
Unless you're a draft geek I wouldn't get too worked up this soon.
This ^Some of your threads bro ...
If you didn't have prospects graded before the draft what type of opinion can you really have after it?
I had a 2nd on Mac, Barmore and Perkins. 4th on Stevenson and 5th or 6th on Sherman. 3rd on Mcgrone.
Idk value lines up to me
This ^
If one truly follows and enjoys the draft, they would have grades on these players prior to the draft. What happens after the draft and before football begins is a lot of hot air. I don't even care where these guys were drafted as long as I had high grades on them or they were on my big board at all.
Copy/paste of my draft grades...
Mac Jones - Not much more to add here, we've dissected these QB's to death. This was a great pick at 15, he got pushed down the board because teams were turned off by his doughy physique and not so fleet of foot athleticism... that sound like anyone else we know coming out? But he's a winner, he put up the single most accurate season of any passer in college history, his 203.1 QB Rating and 77.4% Completion Percentage is the best of all time, his pass yards per attempt 5th all time. After watching Cam run but not pass for a season to ruinous results, give me the passer every time. UP
Christian Barmore - I jokingly suggested they trade up in the second before the day began to take Barmore, this after saying the day prior they should consider him at 15 if they didn't take Mac Jones or Kwity Paye... I didn't really think they would. This kid improved as the regular college season moved on and by season's end this sophomore beast won the co-MVP in the national championship game. It also doesn't hurt that he was a Patriot fan to begin with and we have strong leadership on this team, including an Alabama legend in Hightower. This pick is like any other draft pick, it's a dice roll, but this kid's ceiling is through the roof. And despite some supposed "motivation" concerns anyone who saw him run at the pro day with his shirt off knows this guy is not a fat slob, he is in shape. In a disciplined environment like New England he should thrive. We could possibly have hit on a Seymour/Suh/Haynesworth type talent in the second round, in which case the trade compensation was entirely reasonable. I doubt Saban would steer Bill in the wrong direction on either of the first two players. UP
Ronnie Perkins - My first head scratching moment of the draft. Too small and weak to play defensive end full-time and not athletic enough to play OLB. He has decent strength but not James Harrison strength and he's not mobile at all. Perhaps he has that internal football genre that allows his to find the right spot, use leverage and just be a player... but I have doubts. Could have had a much better prospect here IMO. DOWN
Rhamondre Stevenson - Good solid pick here, good measurables and production for a big back. Is reportedly good at pass blocking and has hands to catch swing passes, which for a big guy that's impressive. Reminds me of Jeremy Hill in his prime, hopefully he stays healthier than Hill did and we get the prerequisite four years out of him. UP
Cameron McGrone - I gave a McGrone when this pick was made... a weak side linebacker who didn't have the college run stats of an Elandon Roberts or Kamu Grugier-Hill, but who also had some of the worst pass defense in college according to statisticians... so what purpose does he serve? He didn't work out due to a bad wheel so he was hard to evaluate, I would have given him an incomplete grade but his stats dictate otherwise. DOWN/(potentially) INCOMPLETE
Joshuah Bledsoe - It wouldn't be a draft if BB didn't take a safety. Bledsoe didn't work out after sustaining a wrist injury in the senior bowl which makes me wonder why he couldn't run at least, but whatever. He supposedly is a free safety with good athleticism according to his coach, he's adept at covering TE's and breaking up passes downfield as well as special teams. I can't give him a definitive yes or no at this point but wished they got at least one good young corner. INCOMPLETE
William Sherman - Bad athlete, not strong, can't play in the NFL unless he possesses some amazing football gene. Pretty much balled this pick up and threw it in the trash. DOWN
Tre Nixon - Good pick late, reminds me of Malcolm Mitchell as an athlete. 6'1" but lithe, has good 4.4 speed and agility. Not going to beat you by muscling you out but if he becomes a great route runner could pan out. Will probably start his career with a redshirt season as there's plenty of depth in front of him. He's another example why there's no need to spend an early pick on WR'S, there are talented guys everywhere in the draft. UP
What's changed since this was written a day after the draft... nothing. Though there is a big contingent of negative nancy's that will rush to extoll the virtues of any player then knock said player once they become a Patriot. Been this way in Boston sports since the invention of the inter webs.
I don't post my big board online for all to see. I said just prior to pick 15 they should take Mac Jones, and if not they should take Barmore.But where are your draft grades prior to looking at the players through the Belichick lens? Do you not see the inherent conflict with claiming to be objective but then waiting to see who Belichick picks and giving a draft grade after that?
What about this statement is unclear? Before the draft. Not after the draft.
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So, where are your actual pre-draft grades?