Walker Definitely Worth a 2nd!!

[PonyExpress]

Walker is not a bad guy. Listen to him talk and look at his track record. Favre sold the guy out and got involved in his contract situation and they have painted Walker out to be a bad guy. It is simply untrue and a complete myth. If speaking out about a percieved bad contract makes you a bad guy then Seymour is a bad guy. Simply not true.

Walker refused to ever play for the Packers again. He is forcing his way out of town. I don't remember Seymour doing that.

 

[Badger]

Walker refused to ever play for the Packers again. He is forcing his way out of town. I don't remember Seymour doing that.

How about Corey? Has he turned out to be a bad guy? Just about the exact same situation as Walker and that turned out pretty well for us by investing a 2nd round pick and spending a little money. Walker is a lot younger than Corey was as well. Somebody else's problem may just turn out to be our bonus. Walker is not a TO type of guy.

 

[drewdagreat]

Walker's a Nole, so I want him.

 

[Patjew]

I have always believed that overvaluing draft picks at times can be a very dangerous thing. For example, does anyone miss the player that we could have drafted in the 3rd round when we traded for Corey a couple of draft weeks ago? Javon Walker is an excellent reciever who would be a significant upgrade to any team's recieving core, let alone ours with Reche Caldwell as our current #2. Living in the Midwest I have seen Walker a lot and he can play. He also is a good kid and Favre sold him out and has given him a bad reputation. An ACL injury is nothing anymore with modern medicine. Look at the complete blowout of MaGhee's knee in college and you would never know the difference now. I don't have the list but I would be curious to see our 2nd round picks in the past 7 years and see if people would be willing to trade any of them for Walker. I believe that Hobbs was our 2nd rounder last year and I would give him up in a heartbeat to get Walker. Mid 2nd round draft picks in an average draft are big gambles on players with suspected flaws. A pro bowl reciever to go along with Branch (who has proven to be injury prone) is far less of a gamble. I certainly would rather have Walker than Maurice Stovall or Derek Hagan or some other 2nd round WR pick. Give up a 2nd, pay him some of our extra cap money and clear up the WR position!! Then go out and draft the best available defensive player with our #1 and we will be making a substantial upgrade!!

Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing Javon Walker's new agent.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing Javon Walker's new agent.

Of course, his agent couldn't care less about what draft choices are involved... only the new salary extension

 

[IndyKen]

I can't see giving up much for someone coming off ACL surgery last fall. Pat Kirwan and co. were discussing Walker the other day on Sirius NFL radio. They made the point that it takes 2 years to fully recover from this type injury before a player regains complete use of the knee. What good would it be to give up a high draft pick for someone who could be far from optimum this fall? A lower draft pick - 3rd, 4th - yes....but this guy is damaged goods at the moment.

 

[spacecrime]

I have always believed that overvaluing draft picks at times can be a very dangerous thing. For example, does anyone miss the player that we could have drafted in the 3rd round when we traded for Corey a couple of draft weeks ago?

It was a second round pick, but are you joking? The Bengals took Madieu Williams. Tell me a top CB wouldn't have helped us get to teh SB last year?

The Dillon trade was worht it, but don't undervalue draft picks. You simply cannot build a team of FAs, it costs too much for good ones. You need top draft picks playing under rookie contract money.

 

[spacecrime]

How about Corey? Has he turned out to be a bad guy? Just about the exact same situation as Walker

No even close. Walker won't play because he wants more money. Dillon was tired of losing.

Both were disgruntled, sure, but not the same situation. Walker wants money. When he gerts it, he will be satisfied and will feel no need to bust his butt getting better. He has what he wants. Dillon wanted to win. He gets angry when annoyed. That is the player youk want, not a guy who says he won't play the first ten games of the year unless he gets more money,

 

[maverick4]

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Walker refused to ever play for the Packers again. He is forcing his way out of town. I don't remember Seymour doing that.

Pony, this is twisting the facts a little. Walker, after holding out, decided to come into camp without a new contract and play that season. Seymour came back only because the Pats gave him a slight raise.

Who can blame Walker? His QB stabbed him the back, his front office isn't dealing with him fairly, and he is still bitter at blowing out his knee. Prior to this situation, he was not a trouble-maker.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I agree with Mav on his "trouble making," myself. The Pats never throw slanderous charges against their holdouts (think Seymour,) and "loyalty" is a movable feast in today's NFL. Let's face it, we love it when we see it, but it's voluntary. That was one instance where Brett decided he'd think about labor/management issues the way they think about them at his local Mississippi Wal-Mart.

Walker had a right to settle his contract issue as he saw fit, and Favre was being a ***head. Did you notice a lot of Walker running his mouth in the press back at Favre? I didn't.

From what we can really tell "on the outside" of all this, I don't see Walker as being damaged goods in any way other than the ACL.

PFnV

 

[dhamz]

For example, Andre Johnson or Torry Holt, two guys who are studs, who were choices of previous regimes.

I'm sure the new regimes are just dying to get rid of those guys by choice. Johnson might be the only elite talent they have in Houston and Holt is just the most consistently productive WR in the game.

Unless they shoot their way out of town, they are going nowhere.

 

[dryheat44]

I'm sure the new regimes are just dying to get rid of those guys by choice. Johnson might be the only elite talent they have in Houston and Holt is just the most consistently productive WR in the game.

Unless they shoot their way out of town, they are going nowhere.

Aim high is all I'm saying. I'd rather spend a #1 on Holt than a #2 or #3 on Javon Walker. The worst that can happen is St. Louis saying no thanks. Why settle for somebody else's trash?

 

[maverick4]

re

Aim high is all I'm saying. I'd rather spend a #1 on Holt than a #2 or #3 on Javon Walker. The worst that can happen is St. Louis saying no thanks. Why settle for somebody else's trash?

Because that 'trash' could turn out to be Mike Vrabel. It's not about trash, it's about getting something from the bargain bin that is useful.

 

[dryheat44]

Because that 'trash' could turn out to be Mike Vrabel. It's not about trash, it's about getting something from the bargain bin that is useful.

First of all, Vrabel wasn't shopped around, and Pittsburgh didn't want to lose him. We got him as a free agent.

When a team is openly shopping a former Pro-Bowler at a position they desperately need help, that's their trash. If you're trading draft picks, you can gamble on somebody or you can spend some more and get a sure thing. I don't like the half-assed approach, at least not at this point of the season.

 

[patsfan13]

Rather get D Stallworth for a 3rd or 4th, no injury issue and no crippling cap hit, Walker too much baggage.

Branch, Stallworth, Caldwell, Brownm Childress & Johnson, + a mid round rookie we can build a good WR corp.

 

[maverick4]

re

First of all, Vrabel wasn't shopped around, and Pittsburgh didn't want to lose him. We got him as a free agent.

When a team is openly shopping a former Pro-Bowler at a position they desperately need help, that's their trash. If you're trading draft picks, you can gamble on somebody or you can spend some more and get a sure thing. I don't like the half-assed approach, at least not at this point of the season.

I meant more in the sense that the same player has greater value for the Pats than for the other team. The Packers have to unload Walker, and teams know this, so have more power. On the other hand, there are two other teams interested, who also have receivers they want to unload.

Maybe the Pats will wait to see who the Packers trade with between the Broncos and Saints, and then trade with the leftoever 3rd party in the hopes of getting a better deal once the competition for receivers has died down.