Vince Wilfork...on WEEI...

[mgteich]

It is not a recent devlopment. I expect it is the reason that Seymour was traded. Seymour has rarely been as patient and cooperative as Wilfork.

A few MINOR players were extended through 2011. BTW, Banta-Cain was NOT one of them. He is an unrestricted free agent as of March 5th, if he isn't re-signed before then.

The Front Office exclusion on long-term contracts concerns MAJOR commitments. Brady, Wilfork and Mankins are the three currently affected, although Bodden could arguably NOT be re-signed because the current unwillingness to sign major long-term contracts.

That is a recent development. Or did the Pats not extend TBC or a few others earlier this season. It wouldn't have stopped them from making offers earlier in the year.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

So I am right. Thanks for backing me up. Wilfork implies that they did negotiate before the start of the season. So it sounds like that they have offered him contract offer "in the last year". I knew tanked was full of it. Again, I never said the Pats were negotiating in the season. The Pats typically don't negotiate during the season. They do negotiate up to the start of the season though. The season started four months ago, not a year.

Thanks again for backing me up!!!

you need backing up......

 

[Rob0729]

you need backing up......

Not really. When I am dealing with someone being irrational with wild theories with nothing to support it, I really don't need it. It is just good to have evidence.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

It Is What It Is Wilfork talks contract

Vince Wilfork, Patriots DL on WEEI

You should read the article and listen to the interview.

Only that's not even what he said. He said they talked "if you could call it that" because his side didn't like how the conversation even started ($$$). He also indicated they explained to him that he would have to wait for a better offer until they determine what the landscape is going forward, and he said he understood that and (at the time at least) and the situation and he was willing to wait. I assume he felt they would know before now. I think he assumed incorrectly...

 

[Rob0729]

It is not a recent devlopment. I expect it is the reason that Seymour was traded. Seymour has rarely been as patient and cooperative as Wilfork.

A few MINOR players were extended through 2011. BTW, Banta-Cain was NOT one of them. He is an unrestricted free agent as of March 5th, if he isn't re-signed before then.

The Front Office exclusion on long-term contracts concerns MAJOR commitments. Brady, Wilfork and Mankins are the three currently affected, although Bodden could arguably NOT be re-signed because the current unwillingness to sign major long-term contracts.

Again, Wilfork implies that the Pats were negotiating with him THIS YEAR. The Pats gave long term contracts THIS YEAR before the season started. Again, you are confusing THIS SEASON with THIS YEAR.

 

[mgteich]

OK, it is January 28, 2010. Please the last MAJOR contract re-sign/extension by the New England Patriots.

Again, Wilfork implies that the Pats were negotiating with him THIS YEAR. The Pats gave long term contracts THIS YEAR before the season started. Again, you are confusing THIS SEASON with THIS YEAR.

 

[Rob0729]

OK, it is January 28, 2010. Please the last MAJOR contract re-sign/extension by the New England Patriots.

There hasn't been. But that doesn't mean they haven't been negotiating with players. According to Seymour, he and the Pats were close to a deal when he was traded. Fact of the matter is that the Pats weren't in a position to give many major contract deals with their cap situation anyway.

Again, negotiating and reaching a deal are two separate things. Seymour outright claimed the Pats were negotiating with him before the start of the season and Wilfork implies it. Again, how am I wrong in my response to tanked?

 

[Deus Irae]

So I am right. Thanks for backing me up. Wilfork implies that they did negotiate before the start of the season. So it sounds like that they have offered him contract offer "in the last year". I knew tanked was full of it. Again, I never said the Pats were negotiating in the season. The Pats typically don't negotiate during the season. They do negotiate up to the start of the season though. The season started four months ago, not a year.

Thanks again for backing me up!!!

Actually, your post here is wrong. The Patriots negotiated quite a bit during this past season. They just didn't do it with Wilfork.

As for the time of the last negotiation, it's clearly been months. How many is really not all that important, given all the deals that have been worked out while Wilfork's hasn't been.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

You persist in claiming Wilfork knows the market. I don't think anyone does heading into a lockout scenario. Of the eight teams you claim certainly constitute his market, 2 are precluded from signing him unless they lose a FA of equal value. Two more are notoriously cheap and already signed their franchise QB's to double digit committments that will extend into the lockout season, so they aren't likely to invest substantially in a two down talent. 2-3 others have bigger fish to fry, like locating a franchise QB. That leaves Miami who needs lots of help on offense as the wildcat fades out and who is already losing key pieces of their defense that will have to be replaced or their shiny new blitz happy DC will have been a wasted signing.

his know the market when it comes to what the pats need......just look at the players under contract going into 2010 on their defense....hey, they can always depend on ron brace .... LMFAO

the 2 teams you mention are the ones who need him the least......the rest of them can easily back up the truck and make their defenses revolve around wilfork......KC and Denver have QB's and would very much be in the market given who runs those teams.....all of the others have the cap space even if there was a cap

People in these kinds of situations need to have realistic goals. In a way, both Seymour and Branch had them. Under the present circumstances dictated by an expiring CBA, Vince and his agent should have had getting the best long term deal they could inked in 2008, while there was still time for a team to project the investment in one as a sound one, as their goal. The organization has explained all this to him. And told him he would have to wait for a better offer until the CBA is settled. He admits that. He was given options and made a choice and now he doesn't like it. Boo freakin' hoo.

sure......at the same time, the pats as an organization need to have realistic expectations of what might happen if wilfork decides to go the 'minimalist route' (sign at the tender at the last possible moment and go through the motions for 2010) which would likely seal the pats fate in terms of a successful endeavor in the 2010 post season should they get there......the needs and reality work both ways.

Both this player and this team know that given Vince's genetic makeup his carrying this weight well into his 30's projects as risk of more than a career. They also both know that maintaining playing weight and condition during a hold out or lock out could be problematic. He did what he obviously felt was in Vince Wilfork's best interest in 2008-09. the NEP will now do what they feel is in the team and the organizations best interest in 2010.

And people wonder why Bill is so fond of observing it is what it is...

well.....plenty of NT's go into their mid 30's....its not like they need to keep the speed..........on top of that, wilfork's wife has had him on short dietary leash for years......he may be big, but I also believe his career and his wife keep him off of the same track that undid his parents (diabetes)

wilfork is a high character guy and always has been ....... he probably has better morals than anyone else left on the pats.......he deserves that the pats be more forthright and upfront with him

Wife Bianca makes Patriots' Vince Wilfork a balanced lineman - The Boston Globe

 

[tanked_as_usual]

There hasn't been. But that doesn't mean they haven't been negotiating with players. According to Seymour, he and the Pats were close to a deal when he was traded. Fact of the matter is that the Pats weren't in a position to give many major contract deals with their cap situation anyway.

Again, negotiating and reaching a deal are two separate things. Seymour outright claimed the Pats were negotiating with him before the start of the season and Wilfork implies it. Again, how am I wrong in my response to tanked?

you just are.......

this is wilfork in April of 2009.....

Wilfork wants to be a Patriot for life | SouthCoastToday.com

we all know where his heart is at right now.........do you really believe his change of heart is based on nothing but his own imagination?

 

[tanked_as_usual]

you know you google all the vince wilfork articles that go back to the beginning of time, and I have to wonder out loud why any organization would want things to get to this point with a guy like him.....

any assertions that vince is greedy and all he cares about is money are factually off-base

you don't go this far in life and suddenly become a money grubbing whore

 

[Rob0729]

Actually, your post here is wrong. The Patriots negotiated quite a bit during this past season. They just didn't do it with Wilfork.

As for the time of the last negotiation, it's clearly been months. How many is really not all that important, given all the deals that have been worked out while Wilfork's hasn't been.

How is it wrong? When did months become years? Wilfork implies that he was negotiating with them before the start of the season. That is certainly within the last year. Tanked stated that they haven't even talked to Vince in a year. I am saying he is wrong. Your post implies I am right.

There hasn't been a deal that would come close to the size Wilfork will get since 2008 with Randy Moss and Wilfork would probably laugh at that contract if it was offered to him since it was only for three years. I could see your point if Mike Wright got anywhere close to what Wilfork would have gotten when he got his new deal. It hasn't been like the Pats have been on a spending spree the last few years. They haven't signed a single player since Moss to a contract where his entire contract will equal what Wilfork's signing bonus will be when he finally gets his new deal either with the Pats or someone else.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Again, Wilfork implies that the Pats were negotiating with him THIS YEAR. The Pats gave long term contracts THIS YEAR before the season started. Again, you are confusing THIS SEASON with THIS YEAR.

you do a great job of taking every single word so literally........even while others get the point

 

[tanked_as_usual]

How is it wrong? When did months become years? Wilfork implies that he was negotiating with them before the start of the season. That is certainly within the last year. Tanked stated that they haven't even talked to Vince in a year. I am saying he is wrong. Your post implies I am right.

There hasn't been a deal that would come close to the size Wilfork will get since 2008 with Randy Moss and Wilfork would probably laugh at that contract if it was offered to him since it was only for three years. I could see your point if Mike Wright got anywhere close to what Wilfork would have gotten when he got his new deal. It hasn't been like the Pats have been on a spending spree the last few years. They haven't signed a single player since Moss to a contract where his entire contract will equal what Wilfork's signing bonus will be when he finally gets his new deal either with the Pats or someone else.

its not wrong when you spend your days guzzling the kool-aid

 

[mgteich]

I belive that Kraft has not been willing to extend Seymour, Wilfork, Brady and Mankins until there is more clarity on the CBA. I agree with Kraft that these are major team commitments with major financial effects. The team has chosen to negotiate and extend other players at an even more rapid rate than in the past. These contracts are relatively noise compared with big four.

Yes, over the past year Seymour, Wilfork, Brady and Mankins all have a "right" to feel excluded. But then, everyone has a right to their feelings.

You and I disagreed with how the team treated Seymour. I suspect that when Wilfork is franchised, and then signs a Samuel-type contract this year, you may think we could have treated him better. Mankins will be here unless someone ponies up a 1st and a 3rd.

Brady is Brady and he will do fine. None of the others is in close to the situation as Brady.

Actually, your post here is wrong. The Patriots negotiated quite a bit during this past season. They just didn't do it with Wilfork.

As for the time of the last negotiation, it's clearly been months. How many is really not all that important, given all the deals that have been worked out while Wilfork's hasn't been.

 

[Rob0729]

you do a great job of taking every single word so literally........even while others get the point

No, I get the point. You've lost your mind and creating a fantasy world in your mind where Vince Wilfork is the NFL's answer to Ghandi and that he is going to give up millions of dollars to stop the evil Imperialistic Patriots from occuppying India.... ummm.... treating him and other players poorly.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

No, I get the point. You've lost your mind and creating a fantasy world in your mind where Vince Wilfork is the NFL's answer to Ghandi and that he is going to give up millions of dollars to stop the evil Imperialistic Patriots from occuppying India.... ummm.... treating him and other players poorly.

exactly......just read your own meaningless drivel.......

you don't get any point, but feel free to carry on

 

[Rob0729]

you know you google all the vince wilfork articles that go back to the beginning of time, and I have to wonder out loud why any organization would want things to get to this point with a guy like him.....

any assertions that vince is greedy and all he cares about is money are factually off-base

you don't go this far in life and suddenly become a money grubbing whore

LOL! What world do you live in? There are plenty of money grubbing whores who have far better lives than Wilfork.

You have no idea what motivates Wilfork. Neither do I or anyone else other than Wilfork and the people close to him. The fact that you think you do is a little disturbing and if I was Wilfork and I found out about it, I might seek a restraining order.

The fact of the matter is that many players who have great values are only interested in getting paid after they get a ring. It doesn't make them bad people. They may just want to make sure their families have the best that he can possibly provide them. You can be greedy in contract negotiations and not be a bad person.

Personally, if money is the only thing that motives Wilfork right now, I wouldn't think less of him as a person. Unlike most people on this board, I understand that a players' career is short and he should try to get all he can. If he can get more elsewhere, good for him. As a fan, I hate it. As a person, I get it.

Again, we don't know what the negotiations are. Are the Pats unreasonable? Is Wilfork? Are both? None of us know and it is stupid to suggest otherwise. The Pats say they will come to the bargaining table with the players they want to resign in a week or two. There is no reason to believe that hopes for a long term deal are gone.

 

[Rob0729]

exactly......just read your own meaningless drivel.......

you don't get any point, but feel free to carry on

I get rational well thought out points. Perhaps that why I don't get your points.

I get people's points and I am conceeding I have no idea what is going on with Wilfork and the Pats. What you don't get is neither do you.

 

[Deus Irae]

How is it wrong? When did months become years? Wilfork implies that he was negotiating with them before the start of the season. That is certainly within the last year. Tanked stated that they haven't even talked to Vince in a year. I am saying he is wrong. Your post implies I am right.

There hasn't been a deal that would come close to the size Wilfork will get since 2008 with Randy Moss and Wilfork would probably laugh at that contract if it was offered to him since it was only for three years. I could see your point if Mike Wright got anywhere close to what Wilfork would have gotten when he got his new deal. It hasn't been like the Pats have been on a spending spree the last few years. They haven't signed a single player since Moss to a contract where his entire contract will equal what Wilfork's signing bonus will be when he finally gets his new deal either with the Pats or someone else.

It was wrong because of your claim regarding in-season negotiations. That would have been abundantly clear, given that the second sentence explained the first, if you were approaching reading these posts with anything resembling an open mind. Instead, because your mind is so closed, and focused on something as irrelevant as the exact number of months the team has kept Wilfork stewing while it tended to lesser players, you missed something completely obvious.