UPDATES on Butler situation: Butler wants to be "A Patriots for Life" AND "paid like a Top 10 CB"

[slam]

I don't see two Hightowers being affordable. One is hard enough to get on board.

Just think of the Double A Gap Blitz, though.

 

[Kdo5]

Wow this has gotten very interesting. Obviously the Patriots and Butler's camp are trying to spin the narrative in their favor over this through the media.

There might be some truth to what Howe is saying but not the entire picture. If it was the whole story than the Pats come out of it looking really bad. Difficult to believe and there are holes to poke at, notably that the Pats said they wouldn't pay a CB more than 10 mil.

 

[TommyD4207]

Since WHEN do the Pats discuss their negotiating perameters with Jeff Freakin' Howe. So where is is that crap coming from? Who are his sources to those links. One rumor states he "wants to remain a Patriot for life, while over at PFT you can find a headline which states "Bulter wants out of NE".

I believe TROLLING is the operative word here.

BTW- upon reading the article from Howe on PFT it is clear as a bell that Howe has no clue to the vast differences between UFA and RFA, which seems to be a trend among the local press.

Howe's just reporting what Butler's agent told him.

 

[Nehalem]

I don't buy that the Pats said they wouldn't pay a CB more than $10 million. They paid Revis more than that and offered him a second contract more than that. They pay McCourty close to 10 and the cb position pays more.

I also doubt they only offered Bulter 6-7 annually. Maybe that was the first year salary, but not the average over the life of the contract.

Nonsense probably coming from Butler's agent.

Maybe they offered him something like a 4-28m contract last year. Which included last year where he earned <1m, 2017 at 4m, and then 2 years at 10-12m. Butler would get more money guaranteed, and Pats get 2 years at slightly below market price. Seems fairish for both sides, but technically Butler only gets 6-7m annually.

 

[PrairiePat]

If they offered an extension in the 4/9/9/ range, that's in the ~7 mill range over the course of the contract. I suspect the average number seems low because the Pats are not going to pay the RFA season at more than 4 million, and that's rolled into the extension. I'm sure the next 2+ years of the proposed extension would have been more like top CB money, at least before the current cap.

The market has been set higher for the top CBs now, so if the Pats want to keep Butler long-term, they'll need to be in the $10+ range for THOSE years of the proposed extension. I'm not sure how they afford that.

Otherwise they pay him $4 million this year and see what happens after next season when he's a full UFA.

 

[Gronkowski123]

we have the money!! pay butler!!!

 

[TommyD4207]

Butler's agent is probably trying to win the PR war. "Malcolm wants to be here ", "Patriots are low-balling him "

I don't know what his end-game is, but it is pretty clear to me that he is trying to sway the public opinion in MB's favor.

I think he (The Dumb-Dumb) severely underestimates the savvy of the Boston Sports fan, and the tenacity of the Boston Sports media.

This isn't Western Alabama, buddy.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

 

[mosslost]

From Jeff Howe's twitter feed

Jeff Howe? @jeffphowe 25m25 minutes ago
Malcolm Butler has received interest from several teams, per source. Don't be surprised if the action picks up with Butler this week.

Jeff Howe? @jeffphowe 25m25 minutes ago
All that said, I was given a strong indication Butler prefers to be a "Patriot for life." He wants to make it work in New England.

Jeff Howe? @jeffphowe 23m23 minutes ago
Patriots offered Butler somewhere around $6M to $7M annually last season. Butler hoped to be paid in the ballpark of a top-10 CB.

Jeff Howe? @jeffphowe 21m21 minutes ago
Patriots told Butler last season they wouldn't pay a CB more than $10M annually, so the Gilmore contract was definitely a gut punch.

Jeff Howe? @jeffphowe 10m10 minutes ago
If nothing happens with Butler and he remains a Patriot with the $3.91M tender, he doesn't have any plans to hold out.

If what Jeff reports is true... then I feel bad for Malcolm Butler

I wouldn't feel "bad" for him. He is still going to make in one year what so very good 40 year careers make.. And he still has an amazing rags to riches story...

 

[ALP]

i think the Pats are willing to give butler 10m/yr...but starting next year, not this year

if you want to strike this year out at 4M, then you gotta lower the APY from 10 to about 8

if this works out as Butler signing tender and playing at 4M/yr, the Pats will offer 10M/yr next offseason while he is an UFA

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Let's assume for a second that BB/Caserio really did tell Butler that he wouldn't pay more than $10mil for CB (I, for one, don't believe BB would have said something that unequivocal).

What we don't know is when BB said that. Maybe when he said that the market for CBs was lower. And now when we get to the present day it turns out the market for CBs was higher and BB needed to go higher. If he feels he needs a CB and the actual market, like it or not, was higher, he's going to need to pay it.

Now, that that future prices are unknown and you don't know where the market is going to be until free agent period actually starts is precisely why I don't think BB would ever make some sort of flat, explicit statement like that.

 

[XLIX]

For anyone to suggest how life is tough for someone for deciding between $45M or trying to get $55M+ elsewhere is looney to me. This agent must be playing Madden or something.

Except if the tweet accurate, then we're talking $40 million with NE or $65 million somewhere else.

Maybe it's just me, but $25 million is a lot of money.

 

[Love The Drake]

Slun

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! LMAO!

is he seriously firing his agent?

 

[XLIX]

For anyone to suggest how life is tough for someone for deciding between $45M or trying to get $55M+ elsewhere is looney to me. This agent must be playing Madden or something.

Except if the tweet accurate, then we're talking $40 million with NE or $65 million somewhere else.

Maybe it's just me, but $25 million is a lot of money.

 

[TommyD4207]

Let's assume for a second that BB/Caserio really did tell Butler that he wouldn't pay more than $10mil for CB (I, for one, don't believe BB would have said something that unequivocal).

1) He wouldn't.
2) He's already done it. And Revis was offered a 2nd contract worth more than $10 mil.

Butler's agent thinks we're stupid.

 

[XLIX]

Considering the source is his dumb-dumb agent, I wouldn't either.

I'm still waiting for a single shred of evidence that Butler's agent has done a single thing wrong for his client.

They are maneuvering towards free agency and a Gilmore-type contract. And next year they will get it (if not sooner). They aren't holding out or threatening a hold out. This hardly makes the guy a "dumb dumb."

 

[qbno12]

Slun

is he seriously firing his agent?

I think that twitter account is a fan account. He is merely suggesting that Butler get a new agent given how his current agent is messing up his changes to stay here.

 

[sb1]

Jeff Howe? @jeffphowe 21m21 minutes ago
Patriots told Butler last season they wouldn't pay a CB more than $10M annually, so the Gilmore contract was definitely a gut punch.


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They did with Revis as was said above. Just PR from MB's agent and not all of it based in truth.

 

[TommyD4207]

I'm still waiting for a single shred of evidence that Butler's agent has done a single thing wrong for his client.

- He lied when he said "BB said he would never pay a CB more than $10 million", when Belichick has not only done it, but offered another contract for more than that, and pays his Free Safety nearly that much - and thought no one would notice.

- He said his client wouldn't hold out, the only actual leverage the player has.

- He said 'several teams have interest', yet that's not confirmed by any other teams via their nameless sources.

- He advised his client not to sign the $3.91, tender, jeopardizing guaranteed money. He and his client can still shop around after the tender is signed.

- It's clear by the transparent whining he's done in the media, that he has zero clue what a restricted free agent is, how NFL contracts work, and through these actions, is giving his client terrible representation. The more this whining goes on, the more it damages his client's reputation in the league, and lowers his market, which is ****ing wrong.

He's a top-of-the-market CB, and deserves to be paid as such, in time. The agent is doing a lot more harm than good.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]