Update: Curran says Belichick has been on the hot seat since 2019

[Ring 6]

This was the offer for 2020. Of course it was a literal **** you just to make sure he does not even try to entertain negotiation.

“What I was told happened” is not evidence. Who is this quote even from?
Kyed reported 2/53.

 

[Ring 6]

At no point was there any real negotionation between Pats and Brady in 2020. Their entire aim was control the PR narrative when he leaves and ensure that he does not push for a contract publicly

All of this was available with a few searches and you would have known about it that offseason if you actually followed the news instead of just pushing your head in the sand and drinking whatever kool-aid the Pats PR were selling.

Pats did not even offer an actual contract. Who does not offer a contract to a player a team wants to sign? Amazes me to no end, the gullibility of some fans.

Miami was tampering, with Brady’s assistance in 2019.
There is no logical reason that Brady would demand both years guaranteed.
He wanted to leave, and here whoever you are quoting says the patriots would go higher.

 

[ahmed]

Miami was tampering, with Brady’s assistance in 2019.
There is no logical reason that Brady would demand both years guaranteed.
He wanted to leave, and here whoever you are quoting says the patriots would go higher.

The reason he wanted security is he earned it with both his results over the years and his recent play. He wanted a measure of control over his future which 1 year deals did not provide.

 

[ahmed]

They didn’t need to give him a raise. Making those years voidable was only in Brady’s interest. And when the deal was signed it was reported that everyone expected an updated contract before the league year expired.
Brady demanded void years and franchise waiver, as I said Brady chose to leave.

They needed to give him a raise because he was getting $15MM after winning the SB LOL. He was like lowest paid starting QB in the league at that point (except rookie contracts). He was not going to play on that period.

The 2 years was literally a cap control device. But sure just ignore everything for your dream narrative.

 

[50-yard-line]

They needed to give him a raise because he was getting $15MM after winning the SB LOL. He was like lowest paid starting QB in the league at that point (except rookie contracts). He was not going to play on that period.

The 2 years was literally a cap control device. But sure just ignore everything for your dream narrative.

His BASE SALARY and ROSTER BONUS were $15 million - he had already gotten several million more on a signing bonus for that contract.

 

[Ring 6]

The reason he wanted security is he earned it with both his results over the years and his recent play. He wanted a measure of control over his future which 1 year deals did not provide.

That is simply your opinion.
Mine is that if Tom Brady wanted to stay a patriot he would not have cared about whether the second year was guaranteed. The only reason to care is if you expect you will be done in one year. Especially given that he pisses away that kind of money

 

[Ring 6]

They needed to give him a raise because he was getting $15MM after winning the SB LOL. He was like lowest paid starting QB in the league at that point (except rookie contracts). He was not going to play on that period.

The 2 years was literally a cap control device. But sure just ignore everything for your dream narrative.

They didn’t need to give him a raise. Unless you are saying he threatened to hold out.

Sure the 2 years were to help the cap, but there is absolutely no reason the patriots would want them to void. That by definition had to be Brady’s demand.
Teams gave automatic voids, they could release him with the exact same result.
I don’t have a narrative just facts.

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

I wonder how many draft picks we could have gotten if we traded Brady after his "I'm the biggest 8-0 crybaby in football" comment. Especially if BB and Kraft knew about his loyalties to the Dolphins and not his own team.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I wonder how many draft picks we could have gotten if we traded Brady after his "I'm the biggest 8-0 crybaby in football" comment. Especially if BB and Kraft knew about his loyalties to the Dolphins and not his own team.

Not much.

 

[ahmed]

His BASE SALARY and ROSTER BONUS were $15 million - he had already gotten several million more on a signing bonus for that contract.

Oh I know that. His average salary at time of signing that deal was 20 million if I recall correctly. Still one of the lowest or the lowest for starting QBs outside rookie deals. Even with that raise he was still near the bottom of the pay scale. Jimmy G was getting paid $27MM around that period (2018 contract) when Brady settled for $20MM. I remember that purely because he was a former Pat.

And my memory was accurate.


That said all players rework their contract on the last year when the pay is that low and they are players the team wants to keep.

Brady always got extended with at least 1 year left on his contract except in 2019 when Pats decided not to. The increase was clearly to appease him for not giving him the 2 year extension he wanted, get him to camp and put a stop to all the contract talk. Brady requested the no tag because he got tired of not getting the 2 years he wanted. It was at this point that Brady decided he was done as he said on the Howard Stern show a year or 2 later.

I don't care to rehash this but really gets on my nerves when people just decide to ignore what happened and parrot the PR line of Brady left because he wanted to.

 

[ahmed]

They didn’t need to give him a raise. Unless you are saying he threatened to hold out.

Sure the 2 years were to help the cap, but there is absolutely no reason the patriots would want them to void. That by definition had to be Brady’s demand.
Teams gave automatic voids, they could release him with the exact same result.
I don’t have a narrative just facts.

Nope - the voiding was not optional. It was literally written into the contract. It was purely a cap management device. You see it everywhere now.

Had they not included the voidable years- the 13MM cap hit would have happened in 2019 and not 2020. You are literally making stuff up because what actually happened does not fit your dream.

 

[ahmed]

That is simply your opinion.
Mine is that if Tom Brady wanted to stay a patriot he would not have cared about whether the second year was guaranteed. The only reason to care is if you expect you will be done in one year. Especially given that he pisses away that kind of money

You treat people like that when you do not care about whether you want them around or not which just reinforces my point.

Nobody goes to their starting QB and says take this way below market 1 year deal and if not happy don't let the door hit you on the way out. That btw is exactly what the Pats did and the results were predictably what they wanted. Brady out and fans who will eat up anything the PR team feeds them thinking it was Brady's desire.

 

[ahmed]

I wonder how many draft picks we could have gotten if we traded Brady after his "I'm the biggest 8-0 crybaby in football" comment. Especially if BB and Kraft knew about his loyalties to the Dolphins and not his own team.

He was only under contract for 8 games, he would not have agreed and there would have been a ****storm of epic proportions especially after they would have proceeded with a worse than 4-4 record.

Had Brady agreed you would have gotten a 2nd at least from a team hoping they could extend him.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Oh I know that. His average salary at time of signing that deal was 20 million if I recall correctly. Still one of the lowest or the lowest for starting QBs outside rookie deals. Even with that raise he was still near the bottom of the pay scale. Jimmy G was getting paid $27MM around that period (2018 contract) when Brady settled for $20MM. I remember that purely because he was a former Pat.

And my memory was accurate.


That said all players rework their contract on the last year when the pay is that low and they are players the team wants to keep.

Brady always got extended with at least 1 year left on his contract except in 2019 when Pats decided not to. The increase was clearly to appease him for not giving him the 2 year extension he wanted, get him to camp and put a stop to all the contract talk. Brady requested the no tag because he got tired of not getting the 2 years he wanted. It was at this point that Brady decided he was done as he said on the Howard Stern show a year or 2 later.

I don't care to rehash this but really gets on my nerves when people just decide to ignore what happened and parrot the PR line of Brady left because he wanted to.

He wanted to because they wouldn't give him 2 years.

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

He was only under contract for 8 games, he would not have agreed and there would have been a ****storm of epic proportions especially after they would have proceeded with a worse than 4-4 record.

Had Brady agreed you would have gotten a 2nd at least from a team hoping they could extend him.

So in other words, if we agreed to give Brady what he wanted we would have grossly overpaid for a 2nd round pick that was over 40 years old.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The Team Bill narrative might have minimal plausibility except they simultaneously claim the Patriots knew they couldn’t win and needed to rebuild, and yet used the Brady savings to sign McCourty, Thuney (franchise, one year rental), Slater, and sCam. A bunch of win now veterans. Turned down trade offers for Gilmore. They thought they were hot **** in 2020 and thought they could still get 85% of TB12’s production with someone else because of the system and coaching. The rest of this is all revisionism.

In 2020 they thought they were still fringe championship contenders with a top 15 QB (hoping sCam was that) and they’d bring it all over the top with the 2021 massive free agency splash. They massively underestimated Brady, overestimated the impact of coaching, and are simply stupid for believing huge cap space should be used on free agency (even with the cap ceiling situation) rather than on backloading TB12s extension.

 

[captain stone]

I wonder how many draft picks we could have gotten if we traded Brady after his "I'm the biggest 8-0 crybaby in football" comment. Especially if BB and Kraft knew about his loyalties to the Dolphins and not his own team.

I wonder how many more draft picks we could have gotten if we traded Gilmore (& others if possible) at the 2020 deadline instead of watching Little Billy Notgoat cling to Scam Newton & the Delusion of making the POs that year...?

 

[patfanken]

But Kraft admitted there was tension between Bill and Brady.

Look Brady doesn't hate Bill of course, and they have a great relationship right now. But Brady was saying coy stuff about "not feeling appreciated".

Even Tom Moore said Belichick was thinking of trading Brady after 2016.

So Brady leaving wasn't solely the result of them having that run.

"Tension"??? describe what that even means. After working (or living with) someone for 20 years there is going to be "tension" in the most loving of relationships

There has been NO other player in Patriot history who has been "appreciated" more than Tom Brady. That comment was BS

Tom Moore? Are you talking about the former Colts OC? If you are, then how the hell would he know?

And finally Brady wasn't leaving because of "that run". He left because of the RESULTS of that run. Depleted roster, no cap room to sign replacements, and no likelihood of being a championship contender if he CHOSE to stick around for the final 3 years of his career.

Stop trying to keep justifying the myth. Just accept that it was a great business decision by Brady who wound up in one of the 2 best spots for him that season. (SF being the other imho)

 

[50-yard-line]

Oh I know that. His average salary at time of signing that deal was 20 million if I recall correctly. Still one of the lowest or the lowest for starting QBs outside rookie deals. Even with that raise he was still near the bottom of the pay scale. Jimmy G was getting paid $27MM around that period (2018 contract) when Brady settled for $20MM. I remember that purely because he was a former Pat.

And my memory was accurate.


That said all players rework their contract on the last year when the pay is that low and they are players the team wants to keep.

Brady always got extended with at least 1 year left on his contract except in 2019 when Pats decided not to. The increase was clearly to appease him for not giving him the 2 year extension he wanted, get him to camp and put a stop to all the contract talk. Brady requested the no tag because he got tired of not getting the 2 years he wanted. It was at this point that Brady decided he was done as he said on the Howard Stern show a year or 2 later.

I don't care to rehash this but really gets on my nerves when people just decide to ignore what happened and parrot the PR line of Brady left because he wanted to.

He was tied for 6th with Drew Brees among quarterbacks at 23 million. He was 4th highest compensated player in the league if counting the $12million he had for endorsements that year.
I'm not arguing whether it was good or bad for them to part - I've already stated many times here that I thought letting him go was a big mistake, even if he fell off a cliff at 42. It was more about the marketing and fan base, and, as it turned out, he was physically STILL more than worth the money he was wanting for three years.

Having said that, I have no idea if Brady wanted to stay, nor does anyone else. He certainly had a very good chance of building his legacy elsewhere, as he did by going to a super-talented team in need of a leader and a QB.

To summarize: I think Kraft and BB screwed up IF they could have kept him around. As it worked out, it was better for Brady to go, and better for the Patriots. I see no way they could have built a true contender in 20-22 while saddled with so many aging, less-effective vets and no money. Still, I would have liked to see Brady break the remaining records in Patriots' blue and white, and would have preferred that he retire playing ONLY for the Patriots.

The Patriots wouldn't be in nearly as good position right now, however, in my opinion. Less money and probably less talent, as they would have had to try to squeeze out a couple more years with vets to try to get Brady back to the SB.

In the end, it worked out for both parties, other than the fact that so many noisy, butthurt NE fans can't put it in the rear-view mirror and just enjoy the rebuild.

 

[50-yard-line]

The Team Bill narrative might have minimal plausibility except they simultaneously claim the Patriots knew they couldn’t win and needed to rebuild, and yet used the Brady savings to sign McCourty, Thuney (franchise, one year rental), Slater, and sCam. A bunch of win now veterans. Turned down trade offers for Gilmore. They thought they were hot **** in 2020 and thought they could still get 85% of TB12’s production with someone else because of the system and coaching. The rest of this is all revisionism.

In 2020 they thought they were still fringe championship contenders with a top 15 QB (hoping sCam was that) and they’d bring it all over the top with the 2021 massive free agency splash. They massively underestimated Brady, overestimated the impact of coaching, and are simply stupid for believing huge cap space should be used on free agency (even with the cap ceiling situation) rather than on backloading TB12s extension.

Hindsight is glorious.


I wanted them to keep Brady for reasons other than any chance at a SB, but the idea that he would keep playing at such a high level for several more years surprised most people. And NO WAY the Pats could have put as good a team as Tampa was around him. They had gobs of blue-collar draft picks, two of the best WRs in the league, two good TEs and enough money (considering that they were willing to mortgage their future as they did) to bring in several more pieces.


Had the Patriots tried to do that, they almost certainly wouldn't have gotten a Superbowl anyway -too many holes to fill - and where would they be now?