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Update: Curran says Belichick has been on the hot seat since 2019

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Looked back at Tom's salaries over his career. He made $23M for one season in 2019. The rest has been less than $20M which is Bill's salary. That is bad. But as I've mentioned before, Tom seems like a pretty bad negotiator. And as Andrew Brandt has responded as to why Tom kept taking "hometown discounts", he said Tom doesn't seem to understand how the salary cap works. He used Brett Favre as an example where he was the highest paid QB in the league at the time and Brandt had no problem figuring out how the Packers could sign other players to fill out the roster. He ended by saying Tom only helped Bob Kraft by taking less and not the salary cap.

Maybe it's the hour, but I'm not sure I follow what he's saying...

Seems to me the reason why Brady usually stayed below-market is plain as day: He didn't need all the money.
 
Does anyone believe if Bill is still here in 2025 that he will pay our young talent the market rate as they come up for deals? better get ready for the patriots to be a bottom of the barrel team. Because Bills whole philosophy is to nickel and dime his players and give them insulting deals. he's more concerned with "winning" the deal than keeping the player/talent. So unless he changes his philosophy get ready for the patriots to be a garbage team. He's not going to want to pay Stevenson or Mac Jones what other teams will. He didn't want to pay guys like Gronk or Brady.

At some point the Patriots ARE going to have to pay for talent. Bill's whole strategy of being the cheapest team in the league and lowballing everyone isn't a winning strategy in the NFL. Otherwise fans better be happy with being a poor to middling team but they can take a victory lap in that Bill got the best deal! and kept Patriots as the lowest spending team!

this strategy worked when Brady agreed to take lowball deals to help win AND the team was winning superbowls. and Bill could say to guys "If the GOAT is taking a paycut you can and you'll win a chip" he cant say that anymore yet is still operating that way. come to the patriots, be a mid-tier team and make less money!

even in the superbowl years, we forget how he treated Gronk, the GOAT tight end. almost shipped him out of town which undoubtedly would've meant we didn't win a super-bowl in 2018(and once again had no plan for when he did leave). How he treated Brady at the end, giving the guy one year prove it deals which pushed him out early (leaving no plan but cam newton to replace him). Poor drafts/roster decisions left the cupboard bare in 2019 leaving brady with a garbage roster which just exacerbated why he wanted to leave.

2021 was a step in the right direction. But it almost seems Kraft has to twist Bill's arm to get him to make these changes. they arent willingly. Took the garbage cam newton year while Brady won a championship for Kraft to send out Bill to spend big money in free agency. Then took the disaster of Patricia for Bill to actually go out and hire O'brien.

All his moves to improve the team post brady seem more reactionary than actually trying to put the best team on the field. He does what he wants, its an absolute failure then Kraft makes him go out and make the changes he shouldve made/planned for to begin with.
 
He sure as heck isn’t spending on talent like his job was in jeopardy.
 
Name them. Who's under contract of any consequence aside from the players I cited? Who's a lock to be on this team in 2025 that's a piece you're excited to build around? Not even Mac has a contract for 2025.
Happily. Let's go by position group.
The core that will be here unless injury or THE TEAM decides they won't:

On ROOKIE DEALS:
The Pats have invested a lot of draft capital in the OL the last couple of years. Cole Strange is the most obvious, but they brought in a couple of big and athletic players this year. Between Russey, Hines, Steuber, Sow, Andrews, and Mafi to go along with Strange, I don't think it's out of the question at all that 3 or 4 of the starting OL in 2025 will come from this group. And likely another one will be a backup with years in the system.


They'll have two RBs they seem to like quite a bit in Strong and Harris (Strong showed a lot in his limited time, IMO) on their rookie deals.


I'm not high on Thornton - I've said that from the beginning, but between him, Boutte, Douglas, and Cunningham, is it hard to believe that one will be on the WR grouping?


Mac Jones is here if the team wants him here, 5th-year option. Zappe has already shown to be a capable backup who doesn't melt on the field.

So I'm seeing several starters and 10 or more on rookie deals on the 53 on offense.

On defense, if you don't think Jack Jones (please avoid jail time - but again, sh!t happens), Marcus Jones, both in their 4th year in the system, and and Christian Gonzales in year three, aren't a fantastic potential for CB, I don't know what to tell you. The Joneses both showed they can play big in the NFL last year, and Gonzo is probably the best prospect the Pats have landed in a decade or more.


They're already throwing Mapu into the deep end at LB - I expect him to be a starter in 2023, let alone 2025. Plays fast, plays smart, punches way above his weight with force.
On the DL, Keion White will be a very good (at least) player. He's huge and fast and is all business.

That's five defensive starters on rookie deals.


People are talking about the Pats "never having anyone worth a second contract." Right now, they've got FOUR coming up - and they can afford all of them (again, TEAM CHOICE). Barmore, Uche, Dugger, and Onwenu. There's your middle class for 2025, if the Pats choose. All four seem to like it here and all four are thriving here, and the Pats have the money to keep them. This isn't a Hightower, Collins, Chandler Jones issue where they can't afford the players. They certainly can, but again, it's their choice.


The VET group: They'll have Bentley, who is horribly underrated on this board, running the defense, and Juju and Parker at WR - all three are solid pros and signed on easy money.

Godchaux will be an easy re-sign if he's still playing well, as will Wise. Henry and/or Gesicki will likely still be around.

That's your CORE, with probably more than half the starters on rookie deals, not counting next year's draft or the rookie class of 2025. The A+ players can be signed with that many playing on the cheap

The biggest difference in the Pats the last couple of years is that the kids are getting playing time. We didn't see that for years and years as they squeezed the last juice out of the Brady dynasty.


I admit it, I'm sold on last year's draft class and particularly on this year's class - I expect at least 5 from this year, not counting the kickers, to be contributors, including Gonzo, White, Mapu and two of the lineman. They've got several other fliers who might hit - Douglas, Boutte, Cunningham, Speed (Special teams, along with Schooler) and maybe Bolden.
Go ahead, go around the league and look at the other teams and their 2025 player/cap situations. Two years is an eternity in the NFL, and many of today's A+'s will be on the wrong side of 30 and still hitting massive $$$.

So back to my original point that so riled the everything-sucks crowd: if BB was on the hot seat, or caring only about Shula's record, why isn't Orlando Brown here? Why didn't he try to trade and sign Hill or AJ Brown or Roquan Smith or Devon White now? Why didn't he give up a second for Jeudy?


Don't get me wrong, I wish he had made a couple of those moves, but the fact that he didn't tells me that he's determined to leave whoever it is who succeeds him in fantastic shape. If more than half your starters are good football players and are on rookie deals, and you have no VOID years and/or gobs of dead money to absorb, you're in great shape.


Buffalo is getting older and more expensive by the year - Diggs will be 32 in '25, and hitting the cap for over 20million per (at 32, 33, and 34).
Miami's window will be closing - QB? Hill has already said he's retiring at the end of his deal.
The JETE will ride with "all-in for Aaron" for a year or two, then pay the price.


The idea that you can build back to high-end levels in the NFL overnight is the fad, and now you'll watch Tampa and the Rams suffer for years for their short day in the sun. BB is being methodical.

And I'll add that in their mired-in-misery rebuilding years they still haven't had a pick in the top 10.
 
The only one I would call a “hit” is Judon. The rest are average starters.
This is confusing to me. Need average starters. Can't have 33 all - pros on the field.
 
Happily. Let's go by position group.
The core that will be here unless injury or THE TEAM decides they won't:

On ROOKIE DEALS:
The Pats have invested a lot of draft capital in the OL the last couple of years. Cole Strange is the most obvious, but they brought in a couple of big and athletic players this year. Between Russey, Hines, Steuber, Sow, Andrews, and Mafi to go along with Strange, I don't think it's out of the question at all that 3 or 4 of the starting OL in 2025 will come from this group. And likely another one will be a backup with years in the system.


They'll have two RBs they seem to like quite a bit in Strong and Harris (Strong showed a lot in his limited time, IMO) on their rookie deals.


I'm not high on Thornton - I've said that from the beginning, but between him, Boutte, Douglas, and Cunningham, is it hard to believe that one will be on the WR grouping?


Mac Jones is here if the team wants him here, 5th-year option. Zappe has already shown to be a capable backup who doesn't melt on the field.

So I'm seeing several starters and 10 or more on rookie deals on the 53 on offense.

On defense, if you don't think Jack Jones (please avoid jail time - but again, sh!t happens), Marcus Jones, both in their 4th year in the system, and and Christian Gonzales in year three, aren't a fantastic potential for CB, I don't know what to tell you. The Joneses both showed they can play big in the NFL last year, and Gonzo is probably the best prospect the Pats have landed in a decade or more.


They're already throwing Mapu into the deep end at LB - I expect him to be a starter in 2023, let alone 2025. Plays fast, plays smart, punches way above his weight with force.
On the DL, Keion White will be a very good (at least) player. He's huge and fast and is all business.

That's five defensive starters on rookie deals.


People are talking about the Pats "never having anyone worth a second contract." Right now, they've got FOUR coming up - and they can afford all of them (again, TEAM CHOICE). Barmore, Uche, Dugger, and Onwenu. There's your middle class for 2025, if the Pats choose. All four seem to like it here and all four are thriving here, and the Pats have the money to keep them. This isn't a Hightower, Collins, Chandler Jones issue where they can't afford the players. They certainly can, but again, it's their choice.


The VET group: They'll have Bentley, who is horribly underrated on this board, running the defense, and Juju and Parker at WR - all three are solid pros and signed on easy money.

Godchaux will be an easy re-sign if he's still playing well, as will Wise. Henry and/or Gesicki will likely still be around.

That's your CORE, with probably more than half the starters on rookie deals, not counting next year's draft or the rookie class of 2025. The A+ players can be signed with that many playing on the cheap

The biggest difference in the Pats the last couple of years is that the kids are getting playing time. We didn't see that for years and years as they squeezed the last juice out of the Brady dynasty.


I admit it, I'm sold on last year's draft class and particularly on this year's class - I expect at least 5 from this year, not counting the kickers, to be contributors, including Gonzo, White, Mapu and two of the lineman. They've got several other fliers who might hit - Douglas, Boutte, Cunningham, Speed (Special teams, along with Schooler) and maybe Bolden.
Go ahead, go around the league and look at the other teams and their 2025 player/cap situations. Two years is an eternity in the NFL, and many of today's A+'s will be on the wrong side of 30 and still hitting massive $$$.

So back to my original point that so riled the everything-sucks crowd: if BB was on the hot seat, or caring only about Shula's record, why isn't Orlando Brown here? Why didn't he try to trade and sign Hill or AJ Brown or Roquan Smith or Devon White now? Why didn't he give up a second for Jeudy?


Don't get me wrong, I wish he had made a couple of those moves, but the fact that he didn't tells me that he's determined to leave whoever it is who succeeds him in fantastic shape. If more than half your starters are good football players and are on rookie deals, and you have no VOID years and/or gobs of dead money to absorb, you're in great shape.


Buffalo is getting older and more expensive by the year - Diggs will be 32 in '25, and hitting the cap for over 20million per (at 32, 33, and 34).
Miami's window will be closing - QB? Hill has already said he's retiring at the end of his deal.
The JETE will ride with "all-in for Aaron" for a year or two, then pay the price.


The idea that you can build back to high-end levels in the NFL overnight is the fad, and now you'll watch Tampa and the Rams suffer for years for their short day in the sun. BB is being methodical.

And I'll add that in their mired-in-misery rebuilding years they still haven't had a pick in the top 10.
I don't agree with all of your analysis, mostly because it requires that unproven players, that I am high on as well, step up into starting or even starring roles. So, like everything else surrounding this team, it's a big if. With that said, good post, even if the folks with all that pre-2004 Red Sox blood in their veins disagree.
 
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Maybe it's the hour, but I'm not sure I follow what he's saying...

Seems to me the reason why Brady usually stayed below-market is plain as day: He didn't need all the money.
Poor Tom, all that money he lost in cryptocurrency. Obviously it was Belichick's fault for not paying him more money. Bill must have put a curse on Tom when he left.
 
Nobody knows what Hopkins is. We only know what he was.
He was pretty damn good just last season in limited action, far better than any current patriots WR.
 
He was pretty damn good just last season in limited action, far better than any current patriots WR.
How did he finish the season?
 
The Pats have been rebuilding through the draft over the last 4 years. If the drafts are successful, there will be a lot of lower cost rookie contracts. So far I like most of the last four draft classes and it leads to lots of cap space and personnel decisions over the next few years. I do not see this as a weakness because they don't "pay for talent".

Teams only pay for talent when their drafting sucks. First posters complain the Pats drafting sucks, and then after the Pats draft well leading to rookie contracts, people complain the Pats don't "pay for talent". Lots of *****ing and moaning in NE.
They have had some decent draft picks the past few years but the issue is a lot of times when we hit on a draft pick they don't end up getting a second contract. Onwenu, Dugger, and Uche are all up for a deal soon and does anyone think we will even sign 2/3? I think the re-sign one of them if we're lucky.

Between the 2019 and 2018 drafts we have one single player still on the roster in Ja'Whaun Bentley. Bill drafted very poorly for quite a few years in a row and now that we actually have some guys worth keeping Bill is going to let them walk so we can overpay free agents and sign another 14 special teamers.
 
Happily. Let's go by position group.
The core that will be here unless injury or THE TEAM decides they won't:

On ROOKIE DEALS:
The Pats have invested a lot of draft capital in the OL the last couple of years. Cole Strange is the most obvious, but they brought in a couple of big and athletic players this year. Between Russey, Hines, Steuber, Sow, Andrews, and Mafi to go along with Strange, I don't think it's out of the question at all that 3 or 4 of the starting OL in 2025 will come from this group. And likely another one will be a backup with years in the system.


They'll have two RBs they seem to like quite a bit in Strong and Harris (Strong showed a lot in his limited time, IMO) on their rookie deals.


I'm not high on Thornton - I've said that from the beginning, but between him, Boutte, Douglas, and Cunningham, is it hard to believe that one will be on the WR grouping?


Mac Jones is here if the team wants him here, 5th-year option. Zappe has already shown to be a capable backup who doesn't melt on the field.

So I'm seeing several starters and 10 or more on rookie deals on the 53 on offense.

On defense, if you don't think Jack Jones (please avoid jail time - but again, sh!t happens), Marcus Jones, both in their 4th year in the system, and and Christian Gonzales in year three, aren't a fantastic potential for CB, I don't know what to tell you. The Joneses both showed they can play big in the NFL last year, and Gonzo is probably the best prospect the Pats have landed in a decade or more.


They're already throwing Mapu into the deep end at LB - I expect him to be a starter in 2023, let alone 2025. Plays fast, plays smart, punches way above his weight with force.
On the DL, Keion White will be a very good (at least) player. He's huge and fast and is all business.

That's five defensive starters on rookie deals.


People are talking about the Pats "never having anyone worth a second contract." Right now, they've got FOUR coming up - and they can afford all of them (again, TEAM CHOICE). Barmore, Uche, Dugger, and Onwenu. There's your middle class for 2025, if the Pats choose. All four seem to like it here and all four are thriving here, and the Pats have the money to keep them. This isn't a Hightower, Collins, Chandler Jones issue where they can't afford the players. They certainly can, but again, it's their choice.


The VET group: They'll have Bentley, who is horribly underrated on this board, running the defense, and Juju and Parker at WR - all three are solid pros and signed on easy money.

Godchaux will be an easy re-sign if he's still playing well, as will Wise. Henry and/or Gesicki will likely still be around.

That's your CORE, with probably more than half the starters on rookie deals, not counting next year's draft or the rookie class of 2025. The A+ players can be signed with that many playing on the cheap

The biggest difference in the Pats the last couple of years is that the kids are getting playing time. We didn't see that for years and years as they squeezed the last juice out of the Brady dynasty.


I admit it, I'm sold on last year's draft class and particularly on this year's class - I expect at least 5 from this year, not counting the kickers, to be contributors, including Gonzo, White, Mapu and two of the lineman. They've got several other fliers who might hit - Douglas, Boutte, Cunningham, Speed (Special teams, along with Schooler) and maybe Bolden.
Go ahead, go around the league and look at the other teams and their 2025 player/cap situations. Two years is an eternity in the NFL, and many of today's A+'s will be on the wrong side of 30 and still hitting massive $$$.

So back to my original point that so riled the everything-sucks crowd: if BB was on the hot seat, or caring only about Shula's record, why isn't Orlando Brown here? Why didn't he try to trade and sign Hill or AJ Brown or Roquan Smith or Devon White now? Why didn't he give up a second for Jeudy?


Don't get me wrong, I wish he had made a couple of those moves, but the fact that he didn't tells me that he's determined to leave whoever it is who succeeds him in fantastic shape. If more than half your starters are good football players and are on rookie deals, and you have no VOID years and/or gobs of dead money to absorb, you're in great shape.


Buffalo is getting older and more expensive by the year - Diggs will be 32 in '25, and hitting the cap for over 20million per (at 32, 33, and 34).
Miami's window will be closing - QB? Hill has already said he's retiring at the end of his deal.
The JETE will ride with "all-in for Aaron" for a year or two, then pay the price.


The idea that you can build back to high-end levels in the NFL overnight is the fad, and now you'll watch Tampa and the Rams suffer for years for their short day in the sun. BB is being methodical.

And I'll add that in their mired-in-misery rebuilding years they still haven't had a pick in the top 10.
Lol so basically the "talent" is anyone who will still be under contract in 2025. Got it.
 
Seems to me the reason why Brady usually stayed below-market is plain as day: He didn't need all the money.
All those Concussion Water profits flowing in
 
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