Update: Curran says Belichick has been on the hot seat since 2019

[Wozzy]

If you can call it that. More like Bill threw a tantrum because at that time Kraft was still willing to vouch for Tom so Bill giftwrapped Jimmy to his buddy's son when he could have pursued greater compensation. I guess the best interest of the team wasn't a priority there.

You pretending like you had backstage access to Gillette is simply that... the fever dream of a BB hater.

 

[All3Phases]

Andy won 5 games his first year, he's had 4, 5, 6, 8, 8 and 9 win seasons... what part of what I said don't you understand or is untrue? None of it.

I told you what was true about him rebuilding teams. You including random one off years doesn’t help your argument. If you want to put BB in the same coaching lane as Tomlin, be my guest.

 

[Wozzy]

Marty took over a 1-7 browns team mid season, finished the year 4-4 and then made the playoffs 4 straight seasons. Another guy you don’t want to mention when talking about the dumpster fire browns

You should probably give last names, nobody knows what you're talking about.

 

[Wozzy]

I told you what was true about him rebuilding teams. You including random one of years doesn’t help your argument. If you want to put BB in the same coaching lane as Tomlin, be my guest.

All coaches need to rebuild, including that list of HOF coaches I provided for you that you seemingly want to ignore because it makes you look foolish.

 

[All3Phases]

You should probably give last names, nobody knows what you're talking about.

You don’t know who Marty is referring to when talking about coaching the browns? Crazy I thought you were a football fan

 

[All3Phases]

All coaches need to rebuild, including that list of HOF coaches I provided for you that you seemingly want to ignore because it makes you look foolish.

I provided you 2 guys that rebuilt teams rather instantly. You chose to compare bill to Tomlin. I think you’re doing him a disservice, but that’s just me

 

[crawhammer]

You pretending like you had backstage access to Gillette is simply that... the fever dream of a BB hater.

Bill called one team on Garoppolo. Either he's lazy or he had an agenda.

 

[Wozzy]

You don’t know who Marty is referring to when talking about coaching the browns? Crazy I thought you were a football fan

Provide last names. And if you mean Marty Schottenheimer he was a good coach as well... how many rings does he have superfan?

 

[All3Phases]

Provide last names. And if you mean Marty Schottenheimer he was a good coach as well... how many rings does he have superfan?

You mean he took over the dumpster fire browns and made them perennial playoff contenders instantly? Thanks for confirming. Considering you were boasting about 1 playoff win for Bill I figured you’d want to know that it wasn’t even as special as a guy who coached 2 years before him

 

[Wozzy]

Bill called one team on Garoppolo. Either he's lazy or he had an agenda.

This is flat out wrong.

 

[Wozzy]

You mean he took over the dumpster fire browns and made them perennial playoff contenders instantly? Thanks for confirming. Considering you were boasting about 1 playoff win for Bill I figured you’d want to know that it wasn’t even as special as a guy who coached 2 years before him

He won 4 games in year one, 8 games in year two... you're really not good at this debating thing.

 

[All3Phases]

He won 4 games in year one, 8 games in year two... you're really not good at this debating thing.

“Year 1” you mean the team he took over mid season? Then he made the playoffs 4 years in a row. Prove me wrong. I can wait while you gather facts.

 

[Ring 6]

And you agreed with him. You talked up Patricia like he was Vince Lombardi. Thought it would work. Wrong!

You are lying.

 

[Ring 6]

lol you can't remember what you said 5 minutes ago. No wonder you're oblivious to your love poems to Patricia.

I remember fine. Read the post it’s right in this thread. Copy it in here and tell me I said what the other poster claimed. You won’t because you are a liar

 

[Wozzy]

“Year 1” you mean the team he took over mid season? Then he made the playoffs 4 years in a row. Prove me wrong. I can wait while you gather facts.

He took over the Browns and went 4-4, then won 8 games the next year.

Oh yeah... and zero rings.

What am I supposed to do with this?

Mike Tomlin has a better win percentage... oh yeah, and a Super Bowl ring.

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[All3Phases]

He took over the Browns and went 4-4, then won 8 games the next year.

Oh yeah... and zero rings.

What am I supposed to do with this?

Mike Tomlin has a better win percentage... oh yeah, and a Super Bowl ring.

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You brought up Bill “leading” the browns to a playoff win. Yet leave out there was a much more successful coach in the same era, that turned the browns around instantly. I noticed you didn’t refute my facts, because I know the facts and I am right.

Again, there’s no time frame on rebuilds. If you hold every coach to the same standard, then what’s the difference between them?

You said 2-3 years in this conversation, it’s year 4, are you just going to keep pushing it back as they keep failing?

 

[Wozzy]

You brought up Bill “leading” the browns to a playoff win. Yet leave out there was a much more successful coach in the same era, that turned the browns around instantly. I noticed you didn’t refute my facts, because I know the facts and I am right.

Again, there’s no time frame on rebuilds. If you hold every coach to the same standard, then what’s the difference between them?

You said 2-3 years in this conversation, it’s year 4, are you just going to keep pushing it back as they keep failing?

Every team is different, there's no one size fits all... that's why I gave a 2-3 year window. It typically takes a new regime that long to get their players and systems in place. Nobody asked about Browns ancient history.

BB drafted Tom Brady. He didn't arrive via spaceship and land on the lawn in Foxboro. Not only did he draft Tom but kept him on the roster despite being a long shot and moved him up the depth chart to backup. Once Drew Bledsoe was healthy enough to play the media were calling for him to get his job back and Bill went with the kid he drafted.

Haters gonna hate... go root for somebody else... assuming you're actually a Patriot's fan.

 

[All3Phases]

Every team is different, there's no one size fits all... that's why I gave a 2-3 year window. It typically takes a new regime that long to get their players and systems in place. Nobody asked about Browns ancient history.

You’re in year 4 if your 2-3 year window. You brought up the browns, it just sort of backfired on you

BB drafted Tom Brady. He didn't arrive via spaceship and land on the lawn in Foxboro. Not only did he draft Tom but kept him on the roster despite being a long shot and moved him up the depth chart to backup. Once Drew Bledsoe was healthy enough to play the media were calling for him to get his job back and Bill went with the kid he drafted.

Haters gonna hate... go root for somebody else... assuming you're actually a Patriot's fan.

All I’ve given is facts, I’m just asking if the way they built teams and spent money with Brady is working the same when Brady isn’t there. Clearly it’s not, now do you think they can tweak some things?

 

[Wozzy]

You’re in year 4 if your 2-3 year window. You brought up the browns, it just sort of backfired on you

BB made the playoffs in year two of this rebuild. The Browns missed the playoffs for two decades after BB left. Nothing backfired on me.

All I’ve given is facts, I’m just asking if the way they built teams and spent money with Brady is working the same when Brady isn’t there. Clearly it’s not, not do you think they can tweak some things?

It didn't work without Richard Seymour either, in fact they only won in 2001 because BB did a masterful job of acquiring a bunch of old castoff value vet players and put a champion together with duct tape and twine. Tom was a game manager who threw one TD in the entire postseason.

If they hired Obie a year early they'd have made the playoffs two years in a row last year, he was committed to Alabama so they had to wait. Patricia was clearly a mistake... just like Tom getting Arians canned. Both resulted in 8 wins. BB can't win without the right team, neither can Tom. Tom showed he needs a decent head coach to win last year.

Eli beat Tom's team twice for a ring, Foles beat him once... it's not about one magical player, or that never would have happened.

 

[All3Phases]

BB made the playoffs in year two of this rebuild. The Browns missed the playoffs for two decades after BB left. Nothing backfired on me.

What does that have to do with anything? He was bad with Cleveland

It didn't work without Richard Seymour either, in fact they only won in 2001 because BB did a masterful job of acquiring a bunch of old castoff value vet players and put a champion together with duct tape and twine. Tom was a game manager who threw one TD in the entire postseason.

They were 5-13 before Brady took over. Coincidence?

If they hired Obie a year early they'd have made the playoffs two years in a row last year, he was committed to Alabama so they had to wait.

This is simply a guess which cannot be proven

Patricia was clearly a mistake... just like Tom getting Arians canned. Both resulted in 8 wins. BB can't win without the right team, neither can Tom. Tom showed he needs a decent head coach to win last year.

I think he showed he can’t half ass his commitment at age 45 and be successful

Eli beat Tom's team twice, Foles beat him once... it's not about one magical player, or that never would have happened.

Not sure what the point of this is