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There it is again. Who the heck is calling them cheap? I sure didn't.The players contract with the NFL requires a certain amount of spending. No team can "cheap out" on the players.
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.There it is again. Who the heck is calling them cheap? I sure didn't.The players contract with the NFL requires a certain amount of spending. No team can "cheap out" on the players.
What I heard was that Kraft gives BB a total figure to spend and that includes all costs, including player salaries. Since I don't follow the cap at all I was looking for clarity on that. Some folks took that as an accusation that the Pats were cheap.Is the OP talking about an unofficial cap for Patriot total staff salary spend by the owner, and not the NFL salary cap for players ?
I brought it up because I never heard of it and wondered what it was about. I didn't trust the mediots either and thought I could get some info here.With the value of the franchise exceeding $4 Billion it would be financially stupid to worry about saving a few million if it had even the possibility of impacting wins and losses. I had not heard about the BB pay question until opening this thread but assume the local media have made this some sort of indictment on BB.
Why fabricate an answer to a hypothetical question that we have NO EVIDENCE exists?Like I mentioned, I don't follow the cap much, so let's just use some numbers to help me understand.
Say Kraft does give Bill a figure for a total budget, let's use 200 mil, and the salary cap is 175 mil and Bill spends 30 mil on costs other than player salaries. That leaves 170 mil for players, which is under the cap by 5 mil. Doesn't that make both Kraft and Bill responsible for not spending to the cap?
This year, the Patriots have a large amount of free salary cap. Some people on this site, and I assume other sites, who want to complain about BB have brought that up numerous times, without putting it into the context that the cap space was caused by the covid opt outs. The covid opt outs occurred after the free agency period was essentially over, so the Patriots didn't have anyone to spend it on.Yes I'm not that interested in the salary cap but your comment that people who don't pay much attention and love to ***** about the Patriots often bring up makes no sense without knowing the word or words that weren't fit to be printed. Why don't you clarify that.
What I heard was that Kraft gives BB a total figure to spend and that includes all costs, including player salaries. Since I don't follow the cap at all I was looking for clarity on that. Some folks took that as an accusation that the Pats were cheap.
I have never heard of that before, but it wouldn't surprise if they did have some type of budget. Most businesses do, certainly ones of this volume of dollars. That being said, it would also not surprise me if there was no hard, fast budget either; that Kraft would only say something to BB if the expenses/non-player salaries began to get out of hand.I brought it up because I never heard of it and wondered what it was about. I didn't trust the mediots either and thought I could get some info here.
No these are not true. If you look at the history the patriots always spend to the cap or close enough for cushion. In any year they do not it rolls over and gets used the next year.I've never been much of a salary cap guy but I've been hearing some things lately that piqued my interest. One thing I heard is that the Pats have been below the average for cap spending. Is that true?
Another thing I heard, and I don't know how anyone would know this information, is that Kraft gives Belichick a maximum figure to deal with for the football operation and that includes the player and coach salaries.
I also heard that Belichick's salary is much higher than any other HC/GM and is also part of the budget that Kraft gives him to work with. If true, that would seem to indicate that Bill's salary affects the salaries of players on the field.
Anyone have any thoughts or info on any of that?
Yes but this topic comes up on radio quite often in that contextOnce again the words being cheap are being brought into the discussion. I never implied that. All I was trying to understand is how the money is spent and what the difference is between cap spending and cash spending. You've helped in that regard.
If I sign a player for 4 years at 10 mill a year and no signing bonus (pretending each salary is exactly 10 mill) BOTH my cash and cap cost are 10 mill each year.Sorry to still be confused, but what exactly does cash spending represent? Are you saying that Kraft doesn't give Bill an amount to stay under, regardless of the cap?
The guys just asking a question. What has destroyed this board is that people can’t make a post without the assumption they are implying things between the lines because so many posters actually communicate in that way.Not sure the point on all this. Kraft spends a TON of money on stadium, staff, and spends to cap. Even relative to other owners. If BB has a “budget” I’m sure Kraft isn’t idiotic enough to mix coaching staff and player salaries into same expense line item...realistically I’d guess it’s “spend to cap and you have 50 million for coaching and support staff”
I feel like a lot of these "Pats are cheap" arguments center around cash spending (not cap), which really tells you more about future cap hits since signing bonuses are paid entirely that year but spread over many years for cap purposes. Other than this year when the cap room opened up well after the top free agents had already signed elsewhere, the Patriots have always spent to within a few million dollars within the cap:
As for the budgeting, we don't know for sure but there's zero indication that any internal limitations have ever prevented them from using available cap space. They spend plenty of money.
I hope I wasn't giving anyone the impression that I think the Pats are cheap. I don't. I'm just trying to understand how they operate financially.
Each team has to pay the minimum salary cap each year plus all of the other operating costs that are not players salaries.
No, the Pats spend right up there every season.I've never been much of a salary cap guy but I've been hearing some things lately that piqued my interest. One thing I heard is that the Pats have been below the average for cap spending. Is that true?