Tua

[Triumph]

What about Brady breaking his contract with Fox and playing for Miami?

Ross tampered with Brady in 2019.

The Dolphins window is open now to make it to a Super Bowl. Tua is done.

 

[Real fan 02]

Concussions are weird. Very case by case. I think Matt Hoffman (professional BMX) has enough concussions for 5 NFL players and he's still going. I bet Edelman has quite a few concussions. Hard to understand where that cut off mark is.

Going back to pop Warner Tua has likely had countless concussions. I'm sure all NFL players have had them. I'm sure if we saw some retired NFL players they all would say they deal with some form of CTE. It's the very ugly part of the game.

 

[jlu52]

Going back to pop Warner Tua has likely had countless concussions. I'm sure all NFL players have had them. I'm sure if we saw some retired NFL players they all would say they deal with some form of CTE. It's the very ugly part of the game.

Play real football long enough, one gets to know stingers and head shots, intimately. Played correctly, it's a very hard contact game. Can't avoid it, imo.

 

[Real fan 02]

Your right.

Play real football long enough, one gets to know stingers and head shots, intimately. Played correctly, it's a very hard contact game. Can't avoid it, imo.

Your right. Unavoidable. I know the NFL had made steps to make the game safer. But Tua gosh it's just been terrible for the guy. Everyone's body reacts different to concussions. But they all eventually lead to a long road of problems. Like the Philip Adams incident if you remember?

 

[ViperGTS]

Should retire.

 

[Dec54]

You can tuna piano but you can't tua fish.

Very apt

 

[Dec54]

Your right.

Your right. Unavoidable. I know the NFL had made steps to make the game safer. But Tua gosh it's just been terrible for the guy. Everyone's body reacts different to concussions. But they all eventually lead to a long road of problems. Like the Philip Adams incident if you remember?

Money aside it must be devastating, go to feel for the guy

 

[XLIX]

He was guaranteed $91 million at signing and I think the $167 million in guaranteed are guaranteed for injury. Another $120 million isn't going to buy him another body if he gets ALS or give him another 30-40 years of life either if he is about to die young of the disease.

Everybody has their own priorities, but if I was in his position, I could get by whatever $91 million is after taxes and agent fees. With having that much money, there isn't enough money out there to make me risk getting CTE or ALS if I was a high risk candidate like Tua.

Like I said: It is easy for people with no skin in the game to tell other people what to do.

 

[XLIX]

Perversely, that also gives the Dolphins the incentive to find someone willing to clear him to play; because of how his contract works, if he is unable to play, he still gets all that guaranteed money. If he chooses to retire while cleared to play, then he might not get any of it.

He got a concussion. That hardly puts him in rare company in the NFL. There is no reason to think he won't recover from it.

So once he is healed then yeah, he is able to play. If he chooses to retire for fear of another concussion, that's fine.... but trust me: The NFL is not going to force "guaranteed for injury" clauses to be paid to players who have healed up and are simply concerned about a hypothetical, future injury.

 

[Rob0729]

Like I said: It is easy for people with no skin in the game to tell other people what to do.

But I don't see it as a tough decision. $120 million vs. the very real possibility of losing 20-30 years of life and the last years of your life being a quadriplegic on a feeding and breathing tube. Especially when you may have $100 million in the bank.

Who knows what the doctors will tell him? They may not say playing is as risky as this. But if this is the options he is given, it is a no brainer which to choose. But that doesn't mean he doesn't choose to continue to play. But that is because people make stupid decisions all the time when it comes to emotional decisions.

 

[XLIX]

This could get very ugly on purely the business side.

Let’s say he gets “cleared” (which already happened too soon once leading to him getting hurt again and the NFLPA firing the independent neurologist who cleared him).

But, he weighs the risk and decides not to play….technically the Dolphins could say he isn’t injured and not pay him.

It would be a legal battle that I’m not sure the NFL would want optically.

Such a disagreement would go to arbitration. I believe - but am not sure - the sides have to agree on the arbitrator so the players would have a reasonable chance of winning such a contract dispute (instead of the rigged Goodell court we are all too familiar with).

 

[XLIX]

But I don't see it as a tough decision.

Of course you don't see it as a tough decision; it is not a decision you are facing. It is very easy to make decisions that don't impact you in the slightest.

$120 million vs. the very real possibility of losing 20-30 years of life and the last years of your life being a quadriplegic on a feeding and breathing tube.

Every single player in the NFL faces that very real possibility. The guy who made the tackle in question almost died on the football field a couple years ago. He's still playing.

Especially when you may have $100 million in the bank.

Well I won't get into the details about how he probably doesn't even have half that amount...

Who knows what the doctors will tell him? They may not say playing is as risky as this. But if this is the options he is given, it is a no brainer which to choose. But that doesn't mean he doesn't choose to continue to play. But that is because people make stupid decisions all the time when it comes to emotional decisions.

Like I said: It is easy for people with no skin in the game to tell other people what to do.

 

[Rob0729]

He got a concussion. That hardly puts him in rare company in the NFL. There is no reason to think he won't recover from it.

So once he is healed then yeah, he is able to play. If he chooses to retire for fear of another concussion, that's fine.... but trust me: The NFL is not going to force "guaranteed for injury" clauses to be paid to players who have healed up and are simply concerned about a hypothetical, future injury.

And football players get ALS four times as often as average people.

And Tua hasn't gotten normal concussions. You don't see players' fingers curl up after a concussion very often or have the reaction with his arm like he did last night (it is called a fencing response). The worst I have seen with a concussion other than Tua might have been someone unconscious for upwards to a minute or two.

I think that the league would force it in Tua's case just because the history of his concussions. Especially after the fact that they let him play immediately after getting a concussion and he got another, more severe concussion four days later. They can argue it is a rare case. I doubt they will allow it for a player getting one concussion though. if Tua wanted to sue them, they could lose far more than his guarantees.

 

[XLIX]

And football players get ALS four times as often as average people.

Well then let's just eliminate the whole sport. Cancel the NFL, NCAA, etc....

You're a hypocrite for being a fan of the sport and then *****ing about how dangerous it is. I know it is dangerous. You know it is dangerous. The players know it is dangerous. If you don't like it, stop watching.

And Tua hasn't gotten normal concussions. You don't see players' fingers curl up after a concussion very often or have the reaction with his arm like he did last night (it is called a fencing response). The worst I have seen with a concussion other than Tua might have been someone unconscious for upwards to a minute or two.

I think that the league would force it in Tua's case just because the history of his concussions.

The League has a concussion protocol, negotiated between management and the Union. There is absolutely nothing in that protocol which gives the League the right to force a retirement. They can keep him benched until he passes the protocol but then it becomes a decision he makes with the team.

 

[Rob0729]

Of course you don't see it as a tough decision; it is not a decision you are facing. It is very easy to make decisions that don't impact you in the slightest.

Every single player in the NFL faces that very real possibility. The guy who made the tackle in question almost died on the football field a couple years ago. He's still playing.

Well I won't get into the details about how he probably doesn't even have half that amount...

Like I said: It is easy for people with no skin in the game to tell other people what to do.

Not every single player faces this very real possibility. Some players go their entire career without a concussion. Tua has had at least four major concussions already with one forcing him to be rushed to hospital. That is not the typical thing. And once you have had several major concussions, you are more susceptible to more concussions. He is at far greater risk than most players for CTE or ALS. He could already be doomed to it.

And the guy who made the tackle had a freak occurrence. The odds of your heart stopping because you got hit in the chest playing football is astronomical.

Tua got $91 million in guarantees at signing. He retires today, he gets all that. Yes, he pays taxes and agent and other fees, but that is probably about $40-50 million take home. Another $77 million is guaranteed and for injury. If this concussion is career ending, he has a strong case for all that money.

But you are pretty much advocating for him to continue to play when you have no skin in the game either. You might want to look in the mirror. Just because you are advocating continue playing doesn't mean you aren't telling people what to do without any skin in the game.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm surprised no one is talking about Tua having to leave last night's game with another concussion. Miami has felt the need to bring in another QB, and for now consider Skylar Thompson the starter.

The media is busy talking about whether Tua should hang them up.

He should hang them up. It’s not worth living life with the repercussions of repeated head injuries. He should take an injury settlement, take a break to recover fully, and start on a coaching journey.

 

[Rob0729]

Well then let's just eliminate the whole sport. Cancel the NFL, NCAA, etc....

You're a hypocrite for being a fan of the sport and then *****ing about how dangerous it is. I know it is dangerous. You know it is dangerous. The players know it is dangerous. If you don't like it, stop watching.

The League has a concussion protocol, negotiated between management and the Union. There is absolutely nothing in that protocol which gives the League the right to force a retirement. They can keep him benched until he passes the protocol but then it becomes a decision he makes with the team.

Stop it. I am talking about a player who has had multiple significant concussion including one that sent him immediately to hospital ended his season. He is an unique case. There are a lot of other former players advocating for him to retire from Dez Bryant to Antonio Brown to Tony Gonzalez to Shannon Sharpe. These are former players who had skin in the game during their careers.









I never said the league should force him to retire. It is his decision. I just said I think it is a no brainer

 

[mgteich]

It is easy for people with no skin in the game to tell other people what to do.

Tua has about 120 million reasons to keep playing.

You act as if Tua's contract has no guarantees.

 

[mgteich]

Of course you don't see it as a tough decision; it is not a decision you are facing. It is very easy to make decisions that don't impact you in the slightest.

Every single player in the NFL faces that very real possibility. The guy who made the tackle in question almost died on the football field a couple years ago. He's still playing.

Well I won't get into the details about how he probably doesn't even have half that amount...

Like I said: It is easy for people with no skin in the game to tell other people what to do.

Yes, MIA could have their doctors judge him healthy enough to play. If he gets any long-term injury, the MIA franchise will lose a very, very large court case.

I suppose Tua could appeal to the player's association and try to get a second opinion and the union's support. If he gets that, both the NFL AND MIA are on the hook if MIA won't pay the injury guarantee and force him to play for his money.
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My guess is that there will be a negotiation and a settlement. I would be shocked if Tua plays again.

The doctors will examine the circumstances of this injury. His concussion was very likely caused due to his pervious condition. The "hit" was not at all severe.

 

[sb1]

Yeah Portnoy might want to delete this.