Troy Brown: Jets don't really believe they can win

[fgssand]

I dont know how Troy Brown can come to such a conclusion. He was a football player first before he became an analyst. In his playing days, in some very mediocre Patriot seasons, would he have ever approached a game feeling they are already beaten? I highly doubt it. Professional ball players never enter the game in that fashion. Did Seattle go into their game against the Saints on Saturday thinking they were going to loose?

Fact is Jets have beaten us once, this season. They are a good football team. And they know that if they play extremely well, they could beat us. Remember the Giants in 2007?

I will go with troys opinion............he knows the mindset quite well.

 

[Ian]

I think the critical part will be whether or not they can get up on them again early. It's pretty clear they struggled when trying to play from behind here last time and it just snowballed from there. As I said earlier the key will be making sure they don't let up if they're able to put some points up on them.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Troy Brown said, basically, the Jets talked so much trash, declared they were the better team, then got an embarrassingly epic beating......and that has to weigh on their minds. Troy Brown is correct. Mood/mindset/ emotions matter. Their experiences are part of what play into that. Talking a lot of trash then getting hugely embarrassed for it is something not forgotten. How seemingly good the competition you are about to play is not dismissed either. It's up to the coach to try and manage that in his players (maybe even using the beating as a motivation).
Why does BB find things to gripe about/areas that need improvement even after epic, well executed wins (as I'm sure other coaches do)? To try and manage emotions etc etc. Why would he need to do that if everything is forgotten once a game is over and the next game is on its way? Fortunately BB is one of the best at trying to manage every little aspect of it (IMHO).

Does this mean the Patriots will certainly win? No. Does this mean the Jets won't put together a good game plan and execute it well? No. Managing the emotions etc etc are just one variable.

 

[BPF]

I believe this past week was all about Belichick telling the players they aren't as good as they might think they are, and showing the team there are still many areas they could improve on. I think the veteran leadership will have the young guys prepared for a playoff atmosphere.

Some great examples from this past weekend's game for BB to use with Seahawks upset and with Chiefs turning the ball over 5x after only doing so 14x all season.

 

[TX_Patriot]

I remember reading that BB went into last off-season looking at changing the O specifically to beat the Ravens/Ravens' style D. Featuring 2 TE sets was going to be their bread and butter, even before the Draft came and went. That's why they jumped on Crumpler quickly this off-season. If you remember Alge was a great pass catcher and Brady has said that he still has the best hands in the TE corps. I think trading Moss and getting Deion back was just icing on the multi-faceted offensive cake. Getting Gronk and Hernandez was a blessing that even BB could have foreseen, but was happy to play along during the draft.

The real problem is that even if the Jets slow the Pats down, they're still going to score in the upper 20's. I don't know if the Jets can keep up. They scored 17 on a worse D, and the conditions were perfect in the dome.

We all agree the GB did the best job of keeping the O off-balance in the last 8 weeks and they still let up 34 pts (yeah I know one was defensive and one was greatly aided by the world's best KO return). The Jets' D does not hold a candle to GB's The Corners maybe a push, but the other 9 guys aren't as good as GB's.

If the Jets go down 2 TD's, they are not coming back. This isn't Peyton Manning after all.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Fact is Jets have beaten us once, this season. They are a good football team. And they know that if they play extremely well, they could beat us. Remember the Giants in 2007?

No, they beat a Patriots team that was still trying to force the ball to Randy Moss.

 

[lamafist]

If Belichick wants to impress on the rookies just how easily a team can fall to an inferior opponent if they don't bring their A game, all he has to do is make everyone watch a replay of the Saints/Seahawks matchups.

 

[ATippett56]

The Jets' D does not hold a candle to GB's The Corners maybe a push, but the other 9 guys aren't as good as GB's.

Don't believe the New York media hype, Cromartie is overrated.

Garcon 5 rec, 112 yards, 1 TD

NFL Game Center: New York Jets at Indianapolis Colts - 2010 Wild Card Weekend

 

[JoeSixPat]

It's interesting that Belichick is trying to get the best out of his team through humility, downplaying the accomplishments to date...

Ryan however is trying to get the best out of his team with bravado to pump up a team that suffered a humiliating loss and quite frankly just barely dispatched a mediocre Colts team

Two very different approaches - though it makes sense for each team

 

[TX_Patriot]

Don't believe the New York media hype, Cromartie is overrated.

Garcon 5 rec, 112 yards, 1 TD

NFL Game Center: New York Jets at Indianapolis Colts - 2010 Wild Card Weekend

I agree, but 60ish yards and the TD was on one play. Can't take those yards away, but Garcon was held in relative check besides the one bomb.

 

[JoeSixPat]

If anything the Jets are sort of off the hook if they lose now, they're the plucky underdogs who are playing with house money. Everyone expects them to lose.

You kindof lose the underdog option when your bombastic head coach with a foot fetish writes "soon to be champs" on the ESPN bus during the pre-season

 

[PATS4LYFE]

lmao.those lames are bout to see their season end and they know it

 

[ausbacker]

I agree, but 60ish yards and the TD was on one play. Can't take those yards away, but Garcon was held in relative check besides the one bomb.

Cromartie was abused on the weekend.

 

[deroc5050]

I dont know how Troy Brown can come to such a conclusion. He was a football player first before he became an analyst. In his playing days, in some very mediocre Patriot seasons, would he have ever approached a game feeling they are already beaten? I highly doubt it. Professional ball players never enter the game in that fashion. Did Seattle go into their game against the Saints on Saturday thinking they were going to loose?

Fact is Jets have beaten us once, this season. They are a good football team. And they know that if they play extremely well, they could beat us. Remember the Giants in 2007?

I understand alot of you are tempering yourselves if the pats somehow lose this game.. but come on.. I am not an irrational homer but I firmly believe that this game won't be close the 2nd quarter on. Unless there is a fluky turn over the Jets cant stop us and we can stop them.

I know anything can happen but I would be shocked if the Pats lost.. I would be surprised if it was within 7 points after the 3rd quarter.

 

[rookBoston]

This is how I see it;

1. The Patriots are a fundamentally more sound team.
2. The Patriots are 8-0 at home this season.
3. The Patriots are playing at home with the Gilette crowd advantage.
4. The Patriots are the number 1 seed and hold the best record in the NFL going into the post-season.
5. The Patriots have form on their side.
6. The Patriots recently walloped the Jets.
7. The Patriots have a HoF QB and head coach at the helm.
8. This team is ready to play football.

I'm trying to convince myself that the Jets are a legitimate threat and that the Patriots should look at them with trepidation. The more I look at both sides the more I am convinced that the Patriots are the best side in the NFL and should obliterate the Jets. Whether or not they do is a different matter.

Of your list...
1. not sure this is true, and if it is that there's a huge gap
2. not relevant
3. helps as long as the Pats don't fall behind early and have fans booing them at the half
4. not relevant
5. don't know what that means
6. ancient history... they beat us, too
7. well, that's true and that certainly helps
8. unquestionably, but is that unique to the Pats?

This is precisely the kind of thinking that would make a loss to Cleveland unthinkable, too. This team wasn't 16-0... and as we've seen, even undefeated teams can lose on any given Sunday.

If we can take an early lead, contain the Jet's running game, and win on special teams... then we can put this game behind us.

But we wont be sneaking up on the Jets. They'll know what they're in for, and they'll be focused and motivated to redeem their embarassing loss. Dont think this will be a cakewalk. I'll feel a lot better when this one is safely in the win column.

 

[TX_Patriot]

It's interesting that Belichick is trying to get the best out of his team through humility, downplaying the accomplishments to date...

Ryan however is trying to get the best out of his team with bravado to pump up a team that suffered a humiliating loss and quite frankly just barely dispatched a mediocre Colts team

Two very different approaches - though it makes sense for each team

Well, that's what you get when you fill the team with a bunch of guys that need patting on the back.

Also, Sanchez doesn't seem like a guy with really fragile feelings (from the PCs I've seen of him) but Rex treats him like a little kid. Downplaying all his bad plays and glorifying all his good ones. After this past game he made a big deal that Mark was given an option call on the Edwards' catch. Doesn't Brady get one on every single play? But Mark gets one and Rex makes a huge deal about it.

My favorite was right after the Pittsburgh win, Rex comes on stage at the post game presser and the first thing he does is reads off Sanchez's stats line...I guess that's what makes him a players coach?

 

[TX_Patriot]

But we wont be sneaking up on the Jets. They'll know what they're in for, and they'll be focused and motivated to redeem their embarassing loss. Dont think this will be a cakewalk. I'll feel a lot better when this one is safely in the win column.

Didn't the Jets know what they were getting in December? The Pats had just thoroughly undressed the Steelers and Lions and held Manning in check for most of that game. We weren't sneaking up on them then either. The Difference is that both teams were 9-2 and the Jets had won the first meeting...they believed their own hype, and got embarrassed for it.

There is no way that the Pats come into this game over confident. I mean, the team had just finished a 14-2 season and what's the first thing their coach does to celebrate the season...rip every single player by showing off a blooper reel of their worst plays of the year. That is something Rex would never do to his guys and it's what separates these two coaches and teams.

 

[ausbacker]

Of your list...
1. not sure this is true, and if it is that there's a huge gap
2. not relevant
3. helps as long as the Pats don't fall behind early and have fans booing them at the half
4. not relevant
5. don't know what that means
6. ancient history... they beat us, too
7. well, that's true and that certainly helps
8. unquestionably, but is that unique to the Pats?

This is precisely the kind of thinking that would make a loss to Cleveland unthinkable, too. This team wasn't 16-0... and as we've seen, even undefeated teams can lose on any given Sunday.

If we can take an early lead, contain the Jet's running game, and win on special teams... then we can put this game behind us.

But we wont be sneaking up on the Jets. They'll know what they're in for, and they'll be focused and motivated to redeem their embarassing loss. Dont think this will be a cakewalk. I'll feel a lot better when this one is safely in the win column.

1. The Patriots are a more fundamentally sound team. The 14-2 record illustrates this.
2. It is very relevant.
3. Your point is irrelevant.
4. It is relevant. You allow yourself home field advantage by finishing as the #1 seed.
5. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out the Patriots are coming in with an 8-0 win streak and are playing the best all around football in the NFL.
6. I'll reference the most recent contest if I may. It's usually a better indicator of current form as opposed to "history".
7. Yes it does help.. considerably.
8. Nothing in my observation of this team over the course of the last 8 weeks suggests that this team will be under-prepared and that BB won't have them eating humble pie in the lead up to the match.

The Jets aren't sneaking up on anyone. What I am proposing is the more you look into the contest the easier it is to see why the Pats finished where they did and the Jets where they did. I don't expect a repeat of the last match more a Patriots win because they are a better side.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

There is no way that the Pats come into this game over confident. I mean, the team had just finished a 14-2 season and what's the first thing their coach does to celebrate the season...rip every single player by showing off a blooper reel of their worst plays of the year. That is something Rex would never do to his guys and it's what separates these two coaches and teams.

Equally importantly—how did the Patriots respond? With a week of practices good enough that BB gave them a long weekend off.

 

[NJPatsfan26]

Didn't the Jets know what they were getting in December? The Pats had just thoroughly undressed the Steelers and Lions and held Manning in check for most of that game. We weren't sneaking up on them then either. The Difference is that both teams were 9-2 and the Jets had won the first meeting...they believed their own hype, and got embarrassed for it.

There is no way that the Pats come into this game over confident. I mean, the team had just finished a 14-2 season and what's the first thing their coach does to celebrate the season...rip every single player by showing off a blooper reel of their worst plays of the year. That is something Rex would never do to his guys and it's what separates these two coaches and teams.

IF Rex did that to his team, they would have a mutiny and they would be dreaming of revis island at that point as all their players would be there protesting.

IMO it will be the Jets overconfidence that will ruin them.